Topic: Scammed by betnomi (20 000 $ worth of eth and btc) (Read 399 times)

Betnomi scammed 20k in this case!

[My apology for being OOT]

It'll help to consider the type as a degree of severity, like a cancer or a burn. Stage 1 cancer and first degree burn is the lightest. Likewise, type-1 flag is the weakest, a newbie and guest warning flag. Type-2 and 3 needs a violation of agreement, one side fulfill their deal, the other side did not. Though, IMO, type-2 is a bit tricky, it's rather ambiguous as there's not --again, IMO-- a fine line that can differentiate if it's should be a type-2 or type-3.

The easiest instance that obviously belong to a type-2 rather than a type-3 is if I wrote you here right now that I'll send you some btc if you say I am the hottest guy on earth, you did, but I didn't fulfill my part of sending you fund. Though it is technically "written", everyone knows the nature of the agreement itself is casual. Thus, it belongs more to the type-2 [violation of casual or implied agreement] than a violation of written contract. The obvious case of a type-3 flag is when an invoice is involved. It's definitely a written and formal agreement, or someone defaulted a loan.

A harder and more tricky situation to differentiate, though, is cases like where a platform cheats their campaign participants by not paying. Is it a casual agreement? Is it formal?

On to the more on-topic part, I am not supporting or opposing the old flags because I am not familiar with some of them [including [Csmiami's] and I have my plate quite full these days. I find a lack of interest to get acquainted with old cases and verifies the facts myself [to fulfill the clause that I voted the flag with the best of my knowledge] to support or oppose it.

Flag is the only one seems hard to understand for a newbie. I still get confuse myself differing the three types of flags LOLing

I think a lot of people are still thinking if it will be good to support the flag. But I am still waiting to see a flag created by a recent victim. May be we will see one from icopress very soon, as far as I know they have not paid him the campaign money yet.

I have tried to make a list of the users who have complained about their stuck funds on Betnomi. You may see all the details in this thread: The story of Betnomi.com (Exit Scam)
A reputable forum member is also waiting for his payment from Betnomi admin and he is in contact with the admin (Rarely getting response though). But there is no positive answer from Betnomi team. OP has a good amount stuck in Betnomi. It will cost a small amount to file a lawsuit, but the chance is very low to see something positive.

Someone should try to collect information from all other users and maybe try to connect them all.
Maybe they will have better chances of contacting missing owner and recovering their funds, or at least try to create lawsuit against betnomi if nothing else works.

I am not trying to defend anyone in this case, I just wanted to hear the full story because I am suspicious about everything, and we obviously can't hear the other side of this story.

There are some certain aspects of the forum that are not really newbie friendly, and flags are one of them. AFAIK, anyone can create a type 1 flag, so there's also the question of why no one has yet raised one.

Regarding the old one, just because it happened some time ago doesnt mean it didnt happen; but there could be some sort of argument as to what kind of flag would fit best there. It's clear for me tho, and that's why it's still there even if inactive

It's funny how betnomi is still managing not having and active type two or type one flag. These newbie really don't understand how to create flags but they are really a victim.  I see user Csmiami created a flag but that was long ago and supporting that flag means not following the current instructions we have given for supporting or opposing a flag.

Let's just say none of these newbie are able to create a proper flag, according to the current system, Betnomi is not going to have an active red flag. Really sounds wired  LOL

I don't care what system tells us. Csmiami, flag is old and may look invalid but I just supported it. If anyone is with me then feel free to follow me.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2646

Rules are made to make things better not to accept a liar. Not having an active flag against Betnomi while there are inactive flags still exists there is a kind of liar.

I think you missed the instruction, I can't see your flag in Betnomi's inactive flag [nor in active ones, as there were not any]. Were you just placed a negative trust instead of raising a flag?



If it helps and you want to, just click this one, it'll redirect you to the page to raise flag against betnomi: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;addflag=2532772

Flagged raised. Such a shame betnomi management have chosen this route.

It seems like Betnomi team was delaying the KYC verification process and rejecting the documents intentionally to not pay the users. There are a few more complaints about the same thing on their telegram group. You may check the post history of boroBTC. The user had sent a lot of documents, but Betnomi team was requesting more documents from him. Another user is waiting since the middle of June month to receive his 0.9 BTC withdrawal on a KYC verified account.

There is no way to verify OP's bet as Betnomi is down. But he has made two deposits for sure and provided the evidence above. Betnomi team wouldn't ask OP to complete the KYC verification if he didn't make any withdrawal request.

Tell me one thing, did you complete any KYC verification for Betnomi website or not?
I can see from email screenshots you posted that validation failed and proof of address was rejected back in June, so it's not that simple like you say.
This is not me defending Betnomi and I am not support any KYC verification, but it seems to me you didn't the us the full story.
You did sent them coins, but you could also spent them on betting and we don't know what happened after this.

PS
Leaving coins on casino, exchange or any centralized website is never a good thing.

I'm positive the police will find Betnomi's team. It's a sad moment for you so be strong. I'd be mourning if my $20k was taken by scammers it isn't easy living with it.

So they made Betnomi a trap? They've used fake profiles for teams so if their site isn't working they've carried out plans to scam. We don't know how many ppl didn't get funds from Betnomi but if it's matching OP's loss they've stolen big.

Unfortunately I never thought this would happen with Betnomi. Casinos should generate enough money to stay in business and not come to scamming innocent people who trust them with their money. Beside their exit they sold our informations so it’s annoying to receive spam emails and ruin my personal email. Next time we should consider using an alternative email when registering in any other casino to avoid this cenario again Lol.

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For me It's even more confusing that they recently organized poker competitions and gave away gifts like Ledgers to users here. What happened perhaps there was disagreement within the team or one of them scammed the others and ran away with the gamblers' money leading to their disappearance. wjatever the reason is it's more clear now that they won't return and users should raise red flags to warn others and bring attention to opening a case against them and catch these sc*mbags

I saw your complaint on Casinoguru the other day and I must say I am absolutely gutted with what happened to you. I am so sorry about your loss. The Betnomi people organized an exit scam right from day one. There were red flags here and there but people/members we so lenient on them and in the end they did what their mission was from the beginning, so I do think there will be anything positive that will come from them.

I will support the flag you create against their profile and leave them some red trust. I only hope you overcome this hard situation and possibly get to recover that money one way or the other.

If you create the flag I'll support it. Betnomi lost what respect I had for them when they sold our information and I started getting hundreds of spam emails daily. Then, they go a month+ without showing users enough respect to make a post explaining the situation.

In the past they have been late but have always paid people, this time it feels much different and I feel there is no hope for users to get money owed.

I am quoting the image part for visibility. Staying true to my post here, I'll guide you to raise a flag if you deemed it necessary. The shortcut is to simply click this button, and you can choose which type of flag you deemed fits your situation better.

If you want a comprehensive steps, though:

1. Go to Betnomi's profile and click the button of "trust" on that page


2. From the "trust feedback" page, scroll way to the bottom of the page where you get to the point where you can leave feedback [you can leave a negative one for them too if you want to]. Right next to the negative feedback, there's a link to raise a flag.


3. From that point, to which you'll be redirected to the page below, you can choose which type of flag you want to raise.


Flag type-1 will only need 1 DT support to be active, but it's the lightest flag and only appear to newbie and guests. If I may judge from your situation, it's more fitting to raise a type-2 flag [a violation of casual or implied agreement], it'll require 3 DT supports to be active, but judging from current situation, I don't think you'll find any difficulties to get [a lot of] supports. You can arguably raise a type-3 flag too, considering that they violate a written agreement [their ToS], it'll also require 3 DT supports. The decision is yours.

We all hope so since they already established their reputation here in forum for significant amount of time. But I doubt that they will magically come back here just to pay all the victim because they are already deleting their social media account to erase their history.

We are really sorry for your losses since this is huge amount. Shame on Betnomi for running away and use the forum as tool to scam many users by establishing their reputation.

Sorry to hear about your losses but it's probably impossible to get return your deposits because when a gambling site get accused they can't bring their trusting reputation again though they pay them all. And in crypto there were many platforms been shut down and never came again. So I don't see any hope of getting your funds back as they already got several red tags so they aren't going to make all of them solved or transparent again. Either they will publish a new fresh gambling platform.

Why you are posting too late? And why you joined a suspicious gambling site when they are already been accused? I am not blaming you actually and I am just asking some questions what you should observe before trusting a Centralized platform. And I saw many gambling sites are here who have a great reputation for several years. We should try them and obviously they must have no accusations or have a great customer support. You should invest as much as you can afford to lose or should cash out your principle asap. Sorry again to hear your story.

Thanks for kind words. I hope the manegement behind betnomi will come back to atleast pay what is owed. One cant say anything for sure about the future, but laying down is not an option.  Here is links to the eth and btc deposit:

https://etherscan.io/address/0x107f90a2a08551770f9ef91e63abf8d7040c3f9a

https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/3N4yu6mwZgKY46TwbJVBVapmnCb8hszDvN

OP, I am genuinely sorry for your loss, it is no small amount.
Is it possible to supplement the accusation with links to deposit transactions, you can indeed find them in your wallet from where you sent them.
Also, you should create a flag on their official forum account.