[Scammer Accusation] BTC-e.com or Balthazar - page 3.

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Quote from: pauljr8 on February 19, 2013, 09:45:13 AM

Introducing another coin onto an exchange without providing a way to trade LTC against it is wrong. LTC/BTC price is depressed due to the incredible rise of BTC and NVC takes some of the underlying price supports away from LTC and those holding LTC are screwed while those couple of people with NVC cash in. To fairly introduce another coin the exchange should have allowed it to be traded against the existing currencies that people are already holding not lock them out or only provide the option to trade with their greatly depressed LTC/BTC holdings. Until now BTC-e was an impressive exchange where I always felt fairness was important. Instead I am sitting on the sidelines watching others participate in something I would have to take a large loss in if I too wanted to join in. I use this exchange for the trading of LTC, now I must find another exchange aware of this NVC fiasco where integrity and fairness to loyal customers is important.

This is a good time to buy LTC as the scam coin will just die off soon once the pump is over. Money will flow back into LTC.

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Introducing another coin onto an exchange without providing a way to trade LTC against it is wrong. LTC/BTC price is depressed due to the incredible rise of BTC and NVC takes some of the underlying price supports away from LTC and those holding LTC are screwed while those couple of people with NVC cash in. To fairly introduce another coin the exchange should have allowed it to be traded against the existing currencies that people are already holding not lock them out or only provide the option to trade with their greatly depressed LTC/BTC holdings. Until now BTC-e was an impressive exchange where I always felt fairness was important. Instead I am sitting on the sidelines watching others participate in something I would have to take a large loss in if I too wanted to join in. I use this exchange for the trading of LTC, now I must find another exchange aware of this NVC fiasco where integrity and fairness to loyal customers is important.

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I don't care about exchange's business. Also I don't care about your emotional condition and your fantasies or conspiracy theories. I'm free to do whatever I want, without asking someone for permission. MIT license and constitution gives me this right. If you don't like it, you are free to pass on, constitution gives you that right. Is that clear enough? Wink

P.S. If it isn't clear because of language problem, I have a generic link for such cases.

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Can you explain your point of view on difference between bribe and guarantee?

In this situation, nope, I see no difference at all. Maybe this is a language problem, but you can call it whatever you want... when you give someone funds, in exchange for favors, thats is a bribe.

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Over this NVC drama I will never touch it and I lost a lot of respect for btc-e but I do not see how pump and dump premined alt coins is a scam...

OP needs to see what solid coin was... and he will understand NVC is going to take the same path.

Same.

How is there $100,000 worth of NVC 'buys' on the order book? For a week-old coin? 100% scamsville. Pump and dump in my opinion is a scam, if the entire goal of the coin is to do this... But that's just my opinion.

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this is the biggest fail of a scam accusation evar.

failingbare and co. are merely repeating the same bs over and over, and assuming all who disagree just haven't read the thread.

now the goalposts are moving as they retreat from the narrow original complaint to a much broader "money laundering" accusation.

everyone following this drama sees the obvious butthurt being caused by a second scryptchain.

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Is your goal to get a refund?

His goal is earn some money. [Typical_PR_scammer.tiff here] Cheesy

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Quote from: laughingbear on February 17, 2013, 10:58:31 PM

I understand the process of destroying coins by sending them to an invalid address, and I will be more than happy remove "this part" of my scam accusation if you can prove to me that the coins were actually sent, and to a invalid address. Is there a nvc block explorer?

Oh my God. You don't need explorer. All you need is client and txid or blockhash, nothing more.

Quote from: laughingbear on February 17, 2013, 10:58:31 PM

Thanks for reconfirming that you did indeed pay btc-e a bribe.

Can you explain your point of view on difference between bribe and guarantee? Thanks for the reconfirmation of your prejudicialness.

May I ask you, how much did you get paid for your hard work on this forum? 300/500/1000 LTC? Is that enough for platinum client of McDonald's?

I'm asking you not for trolling, and really interested. Because PR usually very well paid... I need to know, how much I need to pay you for your excellent service, because I don't like to be in debt. Tongue

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I do no understand. If people are dumb enough to buy an alt coin with out checking it out first how does this make btc-e a scammer?

alt chains can be good but people really need to check them out first before buying. Gavin made a post about this somewhere...

Are you even reading the thread? I guess the people dumb enough to send Pirate btc deserved it for not checking him out first.

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Quote from: Balthazar on February 17, 2013, 10:05:07 PM

Quote from: laughingbear on February 15, 2013, 09:54:57 PM

1: No REAL proof that the coins are destroyed
2: No REAL proof of amount of coins premined.

http://hotnerdgirl.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/183434_166560253393289_119617241420924_308971_1486864_n.jpg

You need to learn something basic info about bitcoin and other cryptocoins technology, before posting such bullshit.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/110k-premined-nvc-is-successfully-destroyed-144158

There are all proofs, if someone can't understand it, it's his own problem.

P.S. I wonder to see, how you will try to restore coins, which sent to hash of "0x04000000000000000000...0000000" public key. Let's make a discovery in cryptography. Grin

Thanks for reconfirming that you did indeed pay btc-e a bribe.

I understand the process of destroying coins by sending them to an invalid address, and I will be more than happy remove "this part" of my scam accusation if you can prove to me that the coins were actually sent, and to a invalid address. Is there a nvc block explorer?

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Quote from: laughingbear on February 15, 2013, 09:54:57 PM

1: No REAL proof that the coins are destroyed
2: No REAL proof of amount of coins premined.

http://hotnerdgirl.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/183434_166560253393289_119617241420924_308971_1486864_n.jpg

You need to learn something basic info about bitcoin and other cryptocoins technology, before posting such bullshit.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/110k-premined-nvc-is-successfully-destroyed-144158

There are all proofs, if someone can't understand it, it's his own problem.

P.S. I wonder to see, how you will try to restore coins, which sent to hash of "0x04000000000000000000...0000000" public key. Let's make a discovery in cryptography. Grin

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AND

Btc-e is an illegal currency exchange.

International anti-money laundering laws for one. I admit that I am not an expert on the law, but from what research I have done, btc-e is NOT licensed and does NOT have permission to be a currency exchange. If your respective governments find out you have been using btc-e you could be in big trouble. This is a black market exchange

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Balthazar (who is a mod at btc-e) forks a broken coin (PPC) and premines it.

Then releases it in Russian only (BTC-E). Even though he speaks English, he doesn't tell anyone in English.
ADMITS that he made the coin as a JOKE

Then sends 110,000 coins to btc-e (Approximate value $16 thousand USD)

NVC gets a button (featured and promoted) on the front page of btc-e
THIS IS A FELONY!

Price sky-rockets!

OBVIOUS price manipulation on BTC-E

None of this is denied. It is all documented and admitted to. AND this is only the part they are telling us about.
The only argument anyone has to this insider trading, bribe, scam, is that people are only upset because they weren't in on the scam from the beginning.

BTC-e, once they are caught accepting the bribe, they "claim" to have destroyed the coins, but this can not be confirmed

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If they ever come up to list a security or something it's a valid concern, but otherwise wasted breath neh?

They steal at least 16,000 usd from their own customers with nvc, and its no big deal? I thought more of the community than that.

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Or maybe explain this for my benefit?

Its been over, but give me a few minutes to drink my coffee and Ill go over it again.

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Quote from: laughingbear on February 15, 2013, 01:09:40 PM

there is WAY more to this story

Sounds like it.

Quote from: laughingbear on February 15, 2013, 01:09:40 PM

it does need to be looked into

Why, though? Just some random alt chain nobody uses and likely nobody will use. Balthazar guy is not in the WoT afaik, is not active on the forum afaik, what's the point? If they ever come up to list a security or something it's a valid concern, but otherwise wasted breath neh?

Quote from: laughingbear on February 15, 2013, 06:42:21 PM

No one can possibly take a look at the actions of btc-e and Balthazar during this whole mess, and NOT see that they are pulling a scam on the customers of btc-e.

This is NOT just a alt-coin issue, people are being scammed out of BTC as well.

Or maybe explain this for my benefit?

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1: No REAL proof that the coins are destroyed
2: No REAL proof of amount of coins premined.
3: You dont get to destroy money when you get caught committing fraud, and everything is ok now.
4: Anyone can clearly see the price manipulation going on with NVC at BTC-E 3448.62507876 BTC in buy orders? come the fuck on.
5: ZERO information on the owner/operator. Some guy in Russia in NOT good enough for someone holding that much money.

NO ONE can deny that that Balthazar gave btc-e 16k USD (a few thousand more or less depending on btc and nvc price)in premined coins, then poo...f it gets listed at a high price on BTCE. They both, btc-e and Balthazar freely admit to this. In any real financial exchange this is a felony!

This is just the stuff that we know about. We know about it because they admit to it. Not right away, but one the pressure came on them. I cant understand how anyone can trust these guys with any amount of money.

A scammer tag for btc-e AND Balthazar are 100% justified, ONLY on the issues that they freely admit to.

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Quote from: nethead on February 15, 2013, 01:03:43 PM

LOL Balthazar and/or btc-e are now scammers for creating a coin you dont like??? Get real ppl, get real...

And by the way learn what open source means, you can create one too, and then should i open a scam accusation? Other than that i dont (personally) agree on that accusation, plus it gets funnier day by day.

Edit: if i remember well, you have said on a pm that you gonna create your own coin, that means insta-scammer?

Edit2: If you can read, those coins are destroyed, what is your problem now? You want nvc removed from btc-e? Im sure that is the cause.

Balthazar or BTC-e is commiting fraud by lying about the amount of premined coins. Oh, so half of Balthazar's scam coin stash is destroyed, it's all good!! No, that doesn't change what happened

If I were to create a cryptocurrency, it'd be decentralized with 0 premined blocks.

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No one can possibly take a look at the actions of btc-e and Balthazar during this whole mess, and NOT see that they are pulling a scam on the customers of btc-e.

This is NOT just a alt-coin issue, people are being scammed out of BTC as well.

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Quote from: nethead on February 15, 2013, 01:03:43 PM

LOL Balthazar and/or btc-e are now scammers for creating a coin you dont like??? Get real ppl, get real...

Watch out Balthazar, the Bitcoin Police party van is parked outside BTC-E headquarters RIGHT NAO!

"Hello, you've reached the Bitcoin Police.
What's that? Another irrelevant altcoin?
Thank you vigilant netizen, we'll make it our highest priority!"

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Quote from: nethead on February 15, 2013, 01:03:43 PM

LOL Balthazar and/or btc-e are now scammers for creating a coin you dont like??? Get real ppl, get real...

And by the way learn what open source means, you can create one too, and then should i open a scam accusation? Other than that i dont (personally) agree on that accusation, plus it gets funnier day by day.

Edit: if i remember well, you have said on a pm that you gonna create your own coin, that means insta-scammer?

Edit2: If you can read, those coins are destroyed, what is your problem now? You want nvc removed from btc-e? Im sure that is the cause.

How much you get paid for BTCE defense lol ? I dunno even my sister 5 years old can understand the scam easily...

Step 1 : create a coin and premine it, no release it directly...
Step 2 : bribe your friend owner of a big exchange
step 3 : manage the price with fake orders to put the price very high
step 4 : then sell your coin for a lot of BTC

I know you will tell than step 4 cannot be done as 110 k destroyed (actually nobody have the proof about that), but even if done there is 200 k premined or like so its still 90 k somewhere...Then delet 110k coin and you make the 90k coin worthing much more...

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