Scammer Tags- Pirate Pass Through operators ?

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Quote from: Yolocoin on October 06, 2012, 08:07:40 AM

so did any of the PPT investors get their money back?

Are you sure you want to resurrect this dead body?

There's already a whole lot of fresh corpses we can make forensics into now...

Somebody could make a funerary, that would be bitcoin's killer biz, excuse me for the redundancy... Cheesy

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so did any of the PPT investors get their money back?

zyk

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Quote from: JoelKatz on September 10, 2012, 02:44:39 PM

Quote from: n8rwJeTt8TrrLKPa55eU on September 10, 2012, 08:50:17 AM

I don't think that the act of running a pass-through, by itself, is scamming, as long as the pass-through details and risks were disclosed appropriately.

I disagree. Running a PPT was paying Pirate to make you and your investors the recipients of obviously fraudulent transfers of other people's money. If that's not scamming, what is? But as I've said elsewhere, I'm willing to give PPT operators who aren't on record as saying they knew or suspected it was a Ponzi a free pass this one time. But in the future, I will be holding people to a higher standard.

Been tented to give you a lot of +++++ for that.

But they , at least in the case of bitcoinmax are still running ponzis themselves........if you see the facts, "Running a PPT was paying Pirate to make you and your investors the

recipients of obviously fraudulent transfers of other people's money. If that's not scamming, what is?" am really completly shocked about your itellectual corruptness and

ignorance to make those other people whole again. Intellectual abetter and abider of theft i´d call it.

Of course you can´t see your own prostata to be incontinent this time again Wink

Oh my

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Ugh...troll thread is devoid of intelligent arguments. I'm out.

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Is there a 'naive idiot' tag for pirate's victims?

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Quote from: dextryn on September 13, 2012, 12:44:59 PM

Yeah, that's an even better argument than the previous one...There is absolutely no way to prove this. It's an assumption, and last time I checked, assumptions weren't considered legal evidence.

Then the choice is that the guy you're dealing with is either an idiot or a crook.

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Quote from: Severian on September 13, 2012, 11:33:25 AM

Even the dimmest bulb knew it was a scam after time had passed. Those that kept selling and collecting for the scam are just as culpable as the brains behind the scheme.

Yeah, that's an even better argument than the previous one...There is absolutely no way to prove this. It's an assumption, and last time I checked, assumptions weren't considered legal evidence.

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Quote from: dextryn on September 13, 2012, 11:26:54 AM

Your logic is flawed my friend. This would only be accurate if he had prior knowledge that it was in fact a ponzi scheme. As far as I know, there is no evidence to support that.

Even the dimmest bulb knew it was a scam after time had passed. Those that kept selling and collecting for the scam are just as culpable as the brains behind the scheme.

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Quote from: SgtSpike on September 13, 2012, 11:15:47 AM

I thought the same thing at first, but...

If someone robs a supermarket, and you help them out in doing so, are you at fault?
If someone sets fire to a house, and you help them out in doing so, are you at fault?
If someone steals a bunch of people's money in a ponzi, and you help them out in doing so, are you at fault?

Your logic is flawed my friend. This would only be accurate if he had prior knowledge that it was in fact a ponzi scheme. As far as I know, there is no evidence to support that.

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Quote from: dextryn on September 13, 2012, 11:07:52 AM

Payb.tc, I don't understand why you're even giving this thread attention. It's ridiculous to think that you're responsible for Pirate's nonsense. After all it was clearly stated in your OP that if Pirate defaults then that's the risk all the investors take. Never did you guarantee anything in any shape form or way. The fact that you're a scam is, in my opinion, completely ridiculous. It's obvious by this thread that money clearly clouds peoples judgement and intelligence.

I thought the same thing at first, but...

If someone robs a supermarket, and you help them out in doing so, are you at fault?
If someone sets fire to a house, and you help them out in doing so, are you at fault?
If someone steals a bunch of people's money in a ponzi, and you help them out in doing so, are you at fault?

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Quote from: LoupGaroux on September 13, 2012, 10:30:39 AM

I cannot take a percentage of a crime and make it clean by calling it a "fee"

You could, but you'd be cutting into JPMorgan's turf.

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Payb.tc, I don't understand why you're even giving this thread attention. It's ridiculous to think that you're responsible for Pirate's nonsense. After all it was clearly stated in your OP that if Pirate defaults then that's the risk all the investors take. Never did you guarantee anything in any shape form or way. The fact that you're a scam is, in my opinion, completely ridiculous. It's obvious by this thread that money clearly clouds peoples judgement and intelligence.

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Quote from: Puppet on September 13, 2012, 07:38:58 AM

Charity?
you passed an estimated 110000 BTC to pirate. Your cut was 0.1% or ~$1,200 per week. Not too bad for such a basic website, most people dont earn that much from a full time job. And that is assuming you did indeed pass the money through to Pirate, I would like to see some transaction IDs to validate that claim because for all I know, you knew exactly what was going on and pocketed a portion or all of those coins yourself. which would give you a very good reason not to want to give pirate your customer list.

I still don't believe these numbers. Who would run this on 0.1%? There surely were timing issues around.

payb.tc, how about a straight answer: what was the interest rate Bitcoinmax had in BS&T?

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Quote from: flower1024 on September 13, 2012, 10:20:46 AM

but want him to see to try to get some money back from pirate - which he refuses (except we pay him)

i don't have much choice in the matter... i'll do what i can, but i have to pay the bills, ya know? that likely means focusing on something else totally unrelated to bitcoin.

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Actively solicited contributions to the fraud? Check.

Maintained resources to funnel funds collected for the fraud? Check.

Shilled for the scammer, vehemently defended the scheme? Check.

Hasn't made good on the money that went through his service and was delivered to pirate? Check.

So, in what way is he any different than pirate? I cannot take a percentage of a crime and make it clean by calling it a "fee", it remains ill-gotten funds. The only exoneration in this scam is to refund, IN FULL, everything that each of the PPT operators took in. Anything less than that and they are accessories to felony fraud, and will be held accountable.

Felony fraud at a level which insures extradition from most countries in the world, including Thailand.

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Quote from: LoupGaroux on September 13, 2012, 10:07:31 AM

Actually, your cut was money stolen from other victims. Start paying back in full or be painted as a co-conspirator, morally and legally. No grey zone at all.

his cut was his fee for managing the bitcoinmax.com site - NOTHING more.
i don't expect him to pay that.

but want him to see to try to get some money back from pirate - which he refuses (except we pay him)

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Quote from: payb.tc on September 13, 2012, 08:45:23 AM

Quote from: Puppet on September 13, 2012, 07:38:58 AM

Quote from: payb.tc on September 13, 2012, 01:39:24 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on September 12, 2012, 11:55:44 PM

And paybtc had no right to deprive me of the opportunity to negotiate or whatever directly with pirate. That's why he deserves a scammer tag.

i have the right to get paid for my time.

those of you demanding i do something have never actually offered any kind of compensation, they just make demands of me like i'm some kind of charity.

go negotiate with pirate if you want to.

if you want me to do it on your behalf, make me an offer or STFU.

Charity?
you passed an estimated 110000 BTC to pirate. Your cut was 0.1% or ~$1,200 per week. Not too bad for such a basic website, most people dont earn that much from a full time job. And that is assuming you did indeed pass the money through to Pirate, I would like to see some transaction IDs to validate that claim because for all I know, you knew exactly what was going on and pocketed a portion or all of those coins yourself. which would give you a very good reason not to want to give pirate your customer list.

my 'cut' was non-existent pirate money. i'm not sure how many more times i need to say that before people get it.

i wish i actually cashed out $1200 a week.

Actually, your cut was money stolen from other victims. Start paying back in full or be painted as a co-conspirator, morally and legally. No grey zone at all.

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Quote from: payb.tc on September 13, 2012, 08:45:23 AM

my 'cut' was non-existent pirate money. i'm not sure how many more times i need to say that before people get it.

i wish i actually cashed out $1200 a week.

That you didnt is no one's fault but your own. It doesnt really matter if you lost your cut playing poker or by reinvesting it in pirate, that is your problem.

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Quote from: payb.tc on September 13, 2012, 08:45:23 AM

my 'cut' was non-existent pirate money. i'm not sure how many more times i need to say that before people get it.

i wish i actually cashed out $1200 a week.

That's a reason for you to try to recover something from Pirate.

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Quote from: Puppet on September 13, 2012, 07:38:58 AM

Quote from: payb.tc on September 13, 2012, 01:39:24 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on September 12, 2012, 11:55:44 PM

And paybtc had no right to deprive me of the opportunity to negotiate or whatever directly with pirate. That's why he deserves a scammer tag.

i have the right to get paid for my time.

those of you demanding i do something have never actually offered any kind of compensation, they just make demands of me like i'm some kind of charity.

go negotiate with pirate if you want to.

if you want me to do it on your behalf, make me an offer or STFU.

Charity?
you passed an estimated 110000 BTC to pirate. Your cut was 0.1% or ~$1,200 per week. Not too bad for such a basic website, most people dont earn that much from a full time job. And that is assuming you did indeed pass the money through to Pirate, I would like to see some transaction IDs to validate that claim because for all I know, you knew exactly what was going on and pocketed a portion or all of those coins yourself. which would give you a very good reason not to want to give pirate your customer list.

my 'cut' was non-existent pirate money. i'm not sure how many more times i need to say that before people get it.

i wish i actually cashed out $1200 a week.

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