Topic: Science and God? (Read 1217 times)

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/science?s=t

science
[sahy-uh ns]

noun
1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws:
the mathematical sciences.
2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3. any of the branches of natural or physical science.
4. systematized knowledge in general.
5. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
6. a particular branch of knowledge.
7. skill, especially reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.

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Obviously, this is only one definition. It seems to be close to the long-standing definition regarding observation. The interesting part is this. Nowhere in the definition does it speak of things that have not been proven. It only talks about "facts."

For example. There is no scientific fact that the age of the earth is beyond about 4,500 years. There is a lot of evidence that suggests that the earth might be as old as 25,000 years. And there are interpretations that suggest that the earth is millions or billions of years old.

All the honest, capable scientists say it this way, either straight forward, or by disclaimer words like "if" and "maybe." The dishonest scientists suggest that they have proof. The fact is, there are too many evidences that the earth is a very young earth. And many of these evidences are the same ones that are used to suggest an old earth. It is mostly based on interpretation when you go beyond about 4,500 years, and all based on interpretation when you go beyond about 25,000 years.

So, why do so many school text books, so many "science" websites, multitudes of scientific papers, all suggest earth being millions or billions of years old? Because they didn't go to the trouble of saying "if" or "maybe" themselves. They simply said that they were basing their work on the work of someone who went before them. Or they suggest it is the accepted model of the universe, and they didn't check the truth of it out themselves.

This is NOT science. Not by the, above, definition. What this is, is, politics. It is propaganda. It is science in only ONE way. It is political science expressed. And it is presented in the smoothest, most cunning ways - simple, humble, straight-forward lies.

The science that is behind the engineered inventions is good and real science. In fact, it is the political propaganda science that is holding much technical progress back, progress that would have been made by engineers using good science that has been clouded by the propaganda.

Since the whole world seems to have this mixture of real science, and propaganda being touted as science, no wonder there are troubles within nations. It's time for us to wake up to this fact by examining the language of science, and then re-examining the science itself if necessary.

Personal belief doesn't make something in to a scientific reality.

Saying that science is only about observation is so untrue. Yes, observation is huge part of science, but is used to come with new ideas and systems, machines, almost everything. Our technology is based on observations applied into many differents industries, just observing wouldn't get us into space....

Science and God is a nobrainer. God created everything. Science has to do with the observation of everything. All the rest is interpretation.

Science is not interpretation. Science has to do with observation. Scientists who interpret God out of science simply haven observed enough, yet. Or else they are liars...

I believe just in case. 

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People need faith, I personally do not believe in god or anything similar, science proves everything is written in the Qur'an, the Bible, and the Torah ... I read all three books and there is nothing that science can not disprove.

So basically, you are just saying evolution is bullshit. One thing i really can't stand about your statement is: which reminds me Dark ages when religion was in charge. Sorry man but this statement you made took all hopes that we can make some constructive discussion. Off here

Want proof that the Bible is true? Google "proof of the bible" or some other such words. Examine the resulting sites, and you will find all kinds of evidence that outweighs all the Evolution evidence many times over.

The next thing you need to do is decide what you are going to believe, the evidence, or the political science. "Political science?" you ask. Yes. "Political science" is where people keep on saying it over and over in the face of all the evidence, until people start to believe it because they have heard it so often. "It is a reality and the proof has built up over 150 years" of political science hollering that evolution is true, and the Bible is false, even though the evidence shows the opposite.

Evolution is a fact. It cannot be denied. It is a reality and the proof has built up over 150 years. To deny evolution is to defy common sense. Do not ask me to prove something that has been abundantly proved. There are more facts about evolution on the internet that can be read in a life time. Show me one single piece of evidence that the Biblical creation stories are real and really happened?

Has Science Discovered God?Of the billions of people on earth....not one not even twins have the same fingerprints...,could it be possible... it helps God to keep track of all his creation?
Einstein didn’t believe it was possible.
Stephen Hawking said it might be the greatest scientific discovery of all time.

What discovery baffled the greatest scientific minds of the past century, and what caused them to rethink the origin of our universe? New, more powerful, telescopes have revealed mysteries about our universe that have raised new questions about the origin of life.

Has science discovered God?

But wait a minute! Lightening, earthquakes and even babies used to be explained as acts of God. But now we know better. What is it about this discovery that is different, and that has stunned the scientific world?

This discovery and what molecular biologists have learned about the sophisticated coding within DNA have many scientists now admitting that the universe appears to be part of a grand design.

One cosmologist put it this way: “Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the teleological or design argument.”[1]

Surprisingly, many scientists who are talking about God have no religious belief whatsoever.[2]

So, what are these stunning discoveries that have scientists suddenly speaking of God? Three revolutionary discoveries from the fields of astronomy and molecular biology stand out:

1. The universe had a beginning

2. The universe is just right for life

3. DNA coding reveals intelligence

The statements leading scientists have made about these discoveries may shock you. Let’s take a look.
http://y-jesus.com/more/science-christianity-compatible/2/

Top ten comparisons of religion and hypocrisy:

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

Evolution is evidence and that "supports" my position. What supports yours? Science and religion are incompatible.

It is certainly understood that this is your position.  But, that is not the same as supporting it.And, on a related note, believing in evolution and the existence of the Creator are not mutually exclusive.

You're right in saying that the universe is "one heck of an accident", but that's what I believe. Was it Carl Sagan that said "We should be thankful for winning the cosmic lottery!"

Don't forget that although it seems like an incredibly unlikely thing to happen, we are only pondering these questions because we happen to be conscious. Think of all the other life on Earth that can never ask these questions, not to mention the possible other stars/galaxies/other universes where the conditions were not quite right for life to exist. There's nothing there to ask "Where did it come from?"

Although I don't believe in any god, I do feel a certain "spiritual-ish" connection with the universe, when I ponder where all the atoms in my body originated. The beer I'm drinking right now probably contains traces of rare elements that were born in a supernova somewhere billions of light years away...

why they should be interested in proving that god exist? why they should provide the existence of an illusionary thing? i trust more Penrose with his ccc theory than a futile god existence, they should focus more on study our universe.

This is the reason. Who do you cosider God: Jesus? Divine Spirit? Anything you stated doesen't need God to run, nor start, and doesen't show any clues that he is interfering. And then, why would he do that? Create something and watch, let it evolve?

The biggest mistake is the idea of an "connection" between creation and religion. There is none. Its self evident that religious creation stories are fanciful, implausible and made up. Only science sees through the mythology and finds the truth. Religion may make you feel good but only science can enlighten.

Imho, God was created because people couldn't accept that there is nothing after death, that their lives had no meaning(well, most anyway) ,they just wanted to make their lives easier. The Human is a social creature, it can't accept otherwise.

All life on our planet and all the natural wonders on it developed from an combination of evolution and vast amounts of time. That has nothing to do with any concept of a "God". God did not create us...we created him. Ancient peoples created God and religion because there was no science and no explanations for the phenomena around them.

I know you don't believe in God. But from the seeing the actions of the tiniest micro-organism (a single cell is quite a busy place!) to the complexities of the mightiest galaxy to the mystery that is love, how can you not? If all the universe is an accident, well it is one heck of an accident. I don't see science and God as being at odds. I believe science helps us to understand, as well as our limited human brains can, the wonders of God's creation.

Sorry , but there is no "proof" that the universe just happened. That there would be no deliberate creative force (call it God, as I do, or whatever you like) is taking a greater leap of faith than the belief that there is a supreme and unifying power responsible. As to the exact details of how, I won't pretend to be so wise as to understand.