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Topic: Scientific atheism IS religious fanaticism (Read 1097 times)

legendary
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October 31, 2016, 10:06:12 AM
#26
Atheist were the most intelligent and the most superior class according to them.  But because of their high intellects they cause them to lose their own life because of losing their purpose and values.  Yes, we can conclude that it is almost a religion because in the course of time they become many.  I am not against them, anyways, we have to respect each others belief.

No. We should NOT respect other people's beliefs. Respect other people because they are people.

It is heard now and again, that in WW2 when common American and German soldiers were in the trenches, not far from each other, that they often talked and joked with each other. They respected each other as people and as soldiers. But they were ready to kill each other at any moment, because they didn't respect the beliefs of the other.

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hero member
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October 31, 2016, 03:37:56 AM
#25
Atheist were the most intelligent and the most superior class according to them.  But because of their high intellects they cause them to lose their own life because of losing their purpose and values.  Yes, we can conclude that it is almost a religion because in the course of time they become many.  I am not against them, anyways, we have to respect each others belief.
legendary
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October 30, 2016, 04:56:40 PM
#24
Agnostic is the stance that one does not know if God does or doesn't exist and refraining from a conclusion one way or the other. I respect this way more than I do either side of the faith/atheism debate. At least they have the sense to admit they don't know. Everyone else is operating under a belief system which is indistinguishable from religion because they are making conclusions about things that can not be proven either way.
Those who call themselves agnostics are often just atheists who want to be friends with everybody. The rational way to think is to draw conclusions based on the best available evidence. When there is no evidence for something that can't be better explained in other ways then there is no reason to believe in it. Hence the Russell's teapot example.
sr. member
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October 30, 2016, 03:03:17 PM
#23
It seems to me that no matter one believes in God or not, the main thing to live by conviction and not hurt others who does not think like him.
legendary
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October 30, 2016, 12:30:59 PM
#22
Theism and religion are two different things; it's quite possible to have one or the other, or both, or neither:

ReligiousIrreligious
TheisticJudaism
Christianity
Islam
Theistic Hinduism*
Shinto
Sikhism
Wicca
Zoroastrianism
Deism
AtheisticBuddhism
Atheistic Hinduism*
Jainism
Satanism
Taoism
Irreligious Atheism
Agnosticism
Humanism
Antitheism
*Hinduism is, I think, unique among religions in that it doesn't require its followers to actually believe in its gods.

How do the various atheistic religions fit in with BADlogic's claim that atheism is a religion? Are they merely different sects of the same religion? In the same way Christianity and Sikhism are sects of the same religion, as they're both monotheistic? Roll Eyes

Agnostic is the stance that one does not know if God does or doesn't exist and refraining from a conclusion one way or the other. I respect this way more than I do either side of the faith/atheism debate. At least they have the sense to admit they don't know. Everyone else is operating under a belief system which is indistinguishable from religion because they are making conclusions about things that can not be proven either way.
legendary
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October 30, 2016, 11:43:37 AM
#21
You fail to state the most important part... the reason WHY I said collecting stamps is a religion. And you also failed to state what I said that it may not be a religion, but simply a part of your religion.
Apparently the sentence "Sure, in the same way that it's a hobby of mine not to collect stamps" was too complicated for you to understand, or you would have realized why your argument is irrelevant.
sr. member
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October 30, 2016, 07:41:46 AM
#20
This is the third time I think I have read and answered a topic about atheism.  I still stand on my belief that we should respect each other.  As long as we know how to respect each other no matter what we believe in.  I believe that God exist and we are here because of Him.
legendary
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Merit: 1373
October 30, 2016, 05:36:24 AM
#19
If you believe in and follow collecting stamps dedicatedly, you have a religion.
Possibly but then, as I said, I don't. You are the one who says that that's a religion too, meaning that no matter what I do it's a religion in your mind. This is your minds solution to the cognitive dissonance that is created by the fact that you understand that religion is essentially irrational, but you don't want to consider yourself more irrational than everyone else.

Or you're just trolling.

You fail to state the most important part... the reason WHY I said collecting stamps is a religion. And you also failed to state what I said that it may not be a religion, but simply a part of your religion.

What, again, was the reason why I stated it? It wasn't because I have some crazy ideas about what religion is. IT WAS BECAUSE THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION SAID IT...
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
In addition, there is the rest of the definition that has points that suggest the same idea.

So we see that it is YOU who wants to remain ignorant. Or it is YOU who wants to change meanings.

Follow the link trail back to the previous posts and you will see this.

Can't you read? Or are you simply trolling?

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legendary
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October 30, 2016, 03:51:27 AM
#18
If you believe in and follow collecting stamps dedicatedly, you have a religion.
Possibly but then, as I said, I don't. You are the one who says that that's a religion too, meaning that no matter what I do it's a religion in your mind. This is your minds solution to the cognitive dissonance that is created by the fact that you understand that religion is essentially irrational, but you don't want to consider yourself more irrational than everyone else.

Or you're just trolling.
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October 30, 2016, 02:51:30 AM
#17
I believe in science. If I can't understand anything I'm trying to figure it out. And religion offers does not understand and believe the preachers.

Do you believe that the Big Bang happened? Certainly you don't understand it, do you? Have you believed the preacher scientists that say that BB is true, when all it is, is a theory? Nobody knows if BB is true or not from the elements of the theory. So, do you believe the science preachers who say it is? Are you turning science into a religion for yourself?

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Well yeah, see science tries to find the answer every day, it doesn't refrain from saying "We were wrong, this new theory is more possible", unlike church that doesn't change their words since.
legendary
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October 29, 2016, 11:09:30 PM
#16
Theism and religion are two different things; it's quite possible to have one or the other, or both, or neither:

ReligiousIrreligious
TheisticJudaism
Christianity
Islam
Theistic Hinduism*
Shinto
Sikhism
Wicca
Zoroastrianism
Deism
AtheisticBuddhism
Atheistic Hinduism*
Jainism
Satanism
Taoism
Irreligious Atheism
Agnosticism
Humanism
Antitheism
*Hinduism is, I think, unique among religions in that it doesn't require its followers to actually believe in its gods.

How do the various atheistic religions fit in with BADlogic's claim that atheism is a religion? Are they merely different sects of the same religion? In the same way Christianity and Sikhism are sects of the same religion, as they're both monotheistic? Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
October 29, 2016, 09:42:25 PM
#15
I believe in science. If I can't understand anything I'm trying to figure it out. And religion offers does not understand and believe the preachers.

Do you believe that the Big Bang happened? Certainly you don't understand it, do you? Have you believed the preacher scientists that say that BB is true, when all it is, is a theory? Nobody knows if BB is true or not from the elements of the theory. So, do you believe the science preachers who say it is? Are you turning science into a religion for yourself?

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sr. member
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Merit: 250
October 29, 2016, 04:19:34 PM
#14
I believe in science. If I can't understand anything I'm trying to figure it out. And religion offers does not understand and believe the preachers.
legendary
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October 29, 2016, 03:05:05 PM
#13
It seems this forum is not faithful. All the atheists. I'm also a science and atheism. Do not understand adults who believe fairy tales.

The reason why you don't understand adults who believe in fairy tales is, if you DID understand, you would turn away from the fairy tale of atheism.

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sr. member
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October 29, 2016, 01:54:43 PM
#12
Religion is a drug for people. Only the drug strongly suggest the government. In the modern world religion is cooperating with authorities, and so contributes to oppression.
legendary
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October 29, 2016, 12:18:58 PM
#11
If you are dedicated in collecting stamps, you have a good religion going there. If you are not so dedicated, it is simply part of your religion of life.
I see, you have made your own definition of the word religion. That will of course always make you right in your own mind but, it makes it difficult to communicate with others.

How have I made my own definition of religion? In the OP, I show the part of the dictionary definition "something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice." If you believe in and follow collecting stamps dedicatedly, you have a religion. If you believe in and follow dedicatedly your idea of not making any waves in life whatsoever, then that is your religion for you. It's dictionary, not me.

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legendary
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October 29, 2016, 12:11:20 PM
#10
If you are dedicated in collecting stamps, you have a good religion going there. If you are not so dedicated, it is simply part of your religion of life.
I see, you have made your own definition of the word religion. That will of course always make you right in your own mind but, it makes it difficult to communicate with others.
legendary
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Merit: 1373
October 29, 2016, 11:59:33 AM
#9
When atheists scream that they don't have a religion, they simply show that they are being fanatical in their religion of atheism.
Sure, in the same way that it's a hobby of mine not to collect stamps. In fact I have an infinite amount of those kinds of hobbies.

If you are dedicated in collecting stamps, you have a good religion going there. If you are not so dedicated, it is simply part of your religion of life.

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legendary
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October 29, 2016, 11:57:22 AM
#8
When atheists scream that they don't have a religion, they simply show that they are being fanatical in their religion of atheism.
Sure, in the same way that it's a hobby of mine not to collect stamps. In fact I have an infinite amount of those kinds of hobbies.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
October 29, 2016, 11:56:06 AM
#7
Nobody knows that there even was a 65 million years ago. When you look at the basic scietific papers that suggest the age of the earth, the scientists, themselves, say that they don't know this for sure, and that the times set are simply to keep things coherent among the sciences.

Bible is record that was handed down through the ages, that the universe was created by God a little more than 6,000 years ago.

There are plenty of evidences (read -> EVIDENCES) that the earth formed from the solar disk at least 4.5 BILLION years ago, along with the other planets of our solar system. And, talking about the dinosaurs... determining the age of an object containing organic material by using the properties of radiocarbon is scientifically proven to be correct and reliable. And we know for sure that they existed since 250 million years ago and extincted 65 million years ago because of a 10km large asteroid that impacted the earth. Here we go again, there are plenty of PROOFS of such events... P R O O F S !!! Put down that shitty bible you read, and google for "Cretaceous–Paleogene boundary". Go learn something!

Otherwise, can you PROVE beyond any doubt that every scientist in the world is WRONG just because of some shit written in a stupid book called bible?!

PS: I know that, with your reply, you will amaze us with another ride on the bullshits rollercoaster!! I'm fastening my seat belt.

What do you want? Admitted guesswork by scientists? Or the record set down by God?

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I never heard or read a scientist admitting guesswork about scientific proven facts... but we read lots of bullshits written by silly people like you, doing somersaults to hopelessly contradict them without any kind of proof.
PS: Which god, dude? There is no god! GOD DOESN'T EXISTS!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Stop trolling the forum, unless you aim to be the new exemplaar.

Think about the evidence of a very old universe. When you do, you will be able to come up with all kinds of possibilities that could easily show that these evidences are simply dreams. But if you can't, Google things like "age of the Earth" and look at all the points that Bible people use to show that the old-earth-evidences are foolishness.

Do your own research, but when you get to the basic archaeological, scientific papers, you will find that in many of the papers that suggest old-universe, the scientists will claim that they don't know it for a fact. Sometimes they even claim that their ideas are foolish, right in the papers. Other times, they write new papers debunking their former papers.

Not all scientists do this, of course. But some of the most prominent ones do.

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