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sr. member
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February 25, 2016, 02:08:48 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm not following you. Are you saying that there's a law in my jurisdiction that says my local police force won't regard fraud as fraud unless I pay scrypt.cc anything they may have paid me? I'm sure that can't be right, so could you clarify? Ideally, could you point to the relevant legislation/code (doesn't have to be in my jurisdiction, if you point me in the right direction I can probably find locally appropriate legislation).

There are ponzi clawback precedents:

https://bernsteinlaw.com/publications-list/investor-beware-what-everyone-should-know-about-clawback-litigation/

It's not as simple as Stroto claims though.

That's awesome, thank you!

I've got to admit - that actually seems fairly reasonable (with regards to Madoff, and possibly here too). If scrypt.cc is found to be a ponzi, any profits would be "false profits" and surrendered to the bankruptcy trustee. This would be used by the trustee to pay depositors who had been defrauded out of their deposits - the initial principle. Sucks for anyone who made money out of it, but at least they end up with everything they started with, which sucks less than losing money - even if some of that money is paid back by the bankruptcy trustee.

I've not yet found the equivalent in my jurisdiction (UK) but I have to admit I think it would make sense here too.

If you don't report this to the police then any money you've lost is lost for good (and any withdrawals in the future will result in further losses), and the scheme keeps running to the detriment of the wider community. If you do report then you may get some of your money back, and the operation may be shut down and the perpetrator fined or jailed.

In theory it makes sense. in theory. In fact it is a bitcoin and not identified scheme and there is no way the big cut of false profits could ever be surrendered to a trustee, not in the bitcoin network as it is now. That is the main reason why I said what I said. If only a low percentage of users will press charges and they show how much they invested and what they withdrawn, they probably will succeed in taking it down but it can bite in their ass as they have to give up a part of their withdrawns and even further their loss.

One example is the real estate Ponzi of Vaughn, clawback was actively pursued but obviously all participants or investors (whichever you prefer) were well known by name and identity. In scrypt.cc case that is virtually non-existent and everyone can assume that the ones with the most profit will never connect their identity to their scrypt account and by that the false profits to surrender to the trustee will only exist out of the false profits of the ones taking part in the process of pressing law. So you might want to add:

If you do report then you may get some of your money back or have to pay a little more, and the operation may be shut down and the perpetrator fined or jailed.
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 01:51:19 PM
Back then there were rumors of fraud, Not you think that in ALL threads of currencies and mining cloud  there are always people talking about fraud but it is not always true? Logically it was not clear the scam and I invested.

Utter bollocks. My mathematical take-down of scrypt.cc was posted in June and repeatedly referenced in this thread and my sig at the time linked to a dedicated thread for it, your comment is dated July.

sr. member
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February 25, 2016, 01:48:34 PM
Look at the date of the comment, weepy ... at that time it was not so clear the scam and paid normally. I lost money here and I'm not crying 24 hours like you (which allegedly has not lost anything). Admit it ... you're a vagabond bitcointalk 24 hours always looking for things to controversy. Weepy.

Yes, I looked at the date. It was very clearly a scam at that time. Your post was actually in response to people telling you that it's a scam. You chose to shill for it regardless. Now you're yelling at shills. Make up your mind.

I'm sorry, but I'm not following you. Are you saying that there's a law in my jurisdiction that says my local police force won't regard fraud as fraud unless I pay scrypt.cc anything they may have paid me? I'm sure that can't be right, so could you clarify? Ideally, could you point to the relevant legislation/code (doesn't have to be in my jurisdiction, if you point me in the right direction I can probably find locally appropriate legislation).

There are ponzi clawback precedents:

https://bernsteinlaw.com/publications-list/investor-beware-what-everyone-should-know-about-clawback-litigation/

It's not as simple as Stroto claims though.

I never claimed it is simple. I just know a few people who cheered at first hoping for some justice and then later not so much as the taxes moved over themselves.
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February 25, 2016, 01:06:16 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm not following you. Are you saying that there's a law in my jurisdiction that says my local police force won't regard fraud as fraud unless I pay scrypt.cc anything they may have paid me? I'm sure that can't be right, so could you clarify? Ideally, could you point to the relevant legislation/code (doesn't have to be in my jurisdiction, if you point me in the right direction I can probably find locally appropriate legislation).

There are ponzi clawback precedents:

https://bernsteinlaw.com/publications-list/investor-beware-what-everyone-should-know-about-clawback-litigation/

It's not as simple as Stroto claims though.

That's awesome, thank you!

I've got to admit - that actually seems fairly reasonable (with regards to Madoff, and possibly here too). If scrypt.cc is found to be a ponzi, any profits would be "false profits" and surrendered to the bankruptcy trustee. This would be used by the trustee to pay depositors who had been defrauded out of their deposits - the initial principle. Sucks for anyone who made money out of it, but at least they end up with everything they started with, which sucks less than losing money - even if some of that money is paid back by the bankruptcy trustee.

I've not yet found the equivalent in my jurisdiction (UK) but I have to admit I think it would make sense here too.

If you don't report this to the police then any money you've lost is lost for good (and any withdrawals in the future will result in further losses), and the scheme keeps running to the detriment of the wider community. If you do report then you may get some of your money back, and the operation may be shut down and the perpetrator fined or jailed.
sr. member
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February 25, 2016, 12:56:39 PM
Look at the date of the comment, weepy ... at that time it was not so clear the scam and paid normally. I lost money here and I'm not crying 24 hours like you (which allegedly has not lost anything). Admit it ... you're a vagabond bitcointalk 24 hours always looking for things to controversy. Weepy.

Yes, I looked at the date. It was very clearly a scam at that time. Your post was actually in response to people telling you that it's a scam. You chose to shill for it regardless. Now you're yelling at shills. Make up your mind.
Back then there were rumors of fraud, Not you think that in ALL threads of currencies and mining cloud  there are always people talking about fraud but it is not always true? Logically it was not clear the scam and I invested.  Weepy, bitcointalk 24 hours.
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February 25, 2016, 12:37:05 PM
Look at the date of the comment, weepy ... at that time it was not so clear the scam and paid normally. I lost money here and I'm not crying 24 hours like you (which allegedly has not lost anything). Admit it ... you're a vagabond bitcointalk 24 hours always looking for things to controversy. Weepy.

Yes, I looked at the date. It was very clearly a scam at that time. Your post was actually in response to people telling you that it's a scam. You chose to shill for it regardless. Now you're yelling at shills. Make up your mind.

I'm sorry, but I'm not following you. Are you saying that there's a law in my jurisdiction that says my local police force won't regard fraud as fraud unless I pay scrypt.cc anything they may have paid me? I'm sure that can't be right, so could you clarify? Ideally, could you point to the relevant legislation/code (doesn't have to be in my jurisdiction, if you point me in the right direction I can probably find locally appropriate legislation).

There are ponzi clawback precedents:

https://bernsteinlaw.com/publications-list/investor-beware-what-everyone-should-know-about-clawback-litigation/

It's not as simple as Stroto claims though.
sr. member
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February 25, 2016, 12:25:26 PM
I'm kinda inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt, and believe that you really, genuinely, truly don't understand what's happening around you. But I don't want to malign you as an idiot if that's not the case.

Someone who has "Earn 40% Daily" in their signature and is peddling "FREE iPhones" via facebook? Far beyond the benefit of the doubt I think. Just a regular lowlife penny scammer/spammer.

Now yorll on the other hand is a turncoat shill, slightly different shade of a forum pest:

Yes, it is true he pay... He paid me less than 1 BTC me in total and I also stole nearly 3 BTCs. You're a piece of donkey boy, you're the only fool knowing that is a proven scam still encouraging people here.

Actually not bad that these whiners are still around always crying .. to me it going very well .. I quadrupled my investment for one month with so ups and downs in the market thanks to the whiners ..  so please keep whiners . THANK YOU.

Look at the date of the comment, weepy ... at that time it was not so clear the scam and paid normally. I lost money here and I'm not crying 24 hours like you (which allegedly has not lost anything). Admit it ... you're a vagabond bitcointalk 24 hours always looking for things to controversy. Weepy.
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February 25, 2016, 11:56:18 AM
No, what you do is file a complaint explaining that you have lost money to a website which fraudulently misrepresented itself and claimed to be providing a legitimate service which you have since discovered was nothing but a ponzi-based scam.

That will be sufficient for the complaint to be sent to a department which handles financial fraud. As has been said, there are enough cases of these ponzi schemes now being pursued by law enforcement to warrant the effort of making a complain. Particularly so in this case as the website is still live, which suggests there is potential for more people to be defrauded, adding impetus to any investigation.



You might want to add that if someone wants to report or file a complain and it will be actively prosecuted by law enforcement that whatever withdraw they ever made will be eligible for clawback, even more so if they knew about the project being a scam. So if you dropped 5 BTC in and got 1 out, you'll first need to pay back that 1 btc to put in the pile from where your 5 BTC will be paid out.

A convenient law that somehow never gets mentioned by the ones that say they should file something somewhere  Roll Eyes

I'm sorry, but I'm not following you. Are you saying that there's a law in my jurisdiction that says my local police force won't regard fraud as fraud unless I pay scrypt.cc anything they may have paid me? I'm sure that can't be right, so could you clarify? Ideally, could you point to the relevant legislation/code (doesn't have to be in my jurisdiction, if you point me in the right direction I can probably find locally appropriate legislation).
sr. member
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February 25, 2016, 11:47:07 AM
No, what you do is file a complaint explaining that you have lost money to a website which fraudulently misrepresented itself and claimed to be providing a legitimate service which you have since discovered was nothing but a ponzi-based scam.

That will be sufficient for the complaint to be sent to a department which handles financial fraud. As has been said, there are enough cases of these ponzi schemes now being pursued by law enforcement to warrant the effort of making a complain. Particularly so in this case as the website is still live, which suggests there is potential for more people to be defrauded, adding impetus to any investigation.



You might want to add that if someone wants to report or file a complain and it will be actively prosecuted by law enforcement that whatever withdraw they ever made will be eligible for clawback, even more so if they knew about the project being a scam. So if you dropped 5 BTC in and got 1 out, you'll first need to pay back that 1 btc to put in the pile from where your 5 BTC will be paid out.

A convenient law that somehow never gets mentioned by the ones that say they should file something somewhere  Roll Eyes
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 11:14:25 AM
Lol. Hubris strikes again.

So those 3btc he claims to have lost weren't actually his in the first place, they were the result of that crucial tool of the ponzI operator and the ultimate weakness of the greedy participant, the 'auto-reinvest' function.

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February 25, 2016, 10:52:03 AM
I'm kinda inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt, and believe that you really, genuinely, truly don't understand what's happening around you. But I don't want to malign you as an idiot if that's not the case.

Someone who has "Earn 40% Daily" in their signature and is peddling "FREE iPhones" via facebook? Far beyond the benefit of the doubt I think. Just a regular lowlife penny scammer/spammer.

Now yorll on the other hand is a turncoat shill, slightly different shade of a forum pest:

Yes, it is true he pay... He paid me less than 1 BTC me in total and I also stole nearly 3 BTCs. You're a piece of donkey boy, you're the only fool knowing that is a proven scam still encouraging people here.

Actually not bad that these whiners are still around always crying .. to me it going very well .. I quadrupled my investment for one month with so ups and downs in the market thanks to the whiners ..  so please keep whiners . THANK YOU.
sr. member
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February 25, 2016, 10:50:58 AM
His motivation for routinely posting positive-sounding bullshit about this scam is likely that he's trying to get enough hype going that some greater fool sends their money in, in the hope the auto-script which appears to be running the thing might let him withdraw some of his pennies.



or, possibly, he is actually part of the scam.
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 10:30:15 AM
His motivation for routinely posting positive-sounding bullshit about this scam is likely that he's trying to get enough hype going that some greater fool sends their money in, in the hope the auto-script which appears to be running the thing might let him withdraw some of his pennies.

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February 25, 2016, 10:24:38 AM
Call the police and report them that you invested in scrypt.cc and couldn't withdraw in the amount that you want. Make a point that they are paying nonetheless.

The police will act upon it swiftly for and won't laugh at you with ridicule for sure.

Some effing dumbass claiming that the site is "paying" has no bearing on the actual fact of fraud and no such point needs to be made.


Undoubtedly, scryptcc is paying.

LOL everytime it pays somebody reports the hotwallet used. 

I don't understand why you claim that script.cc is paying yet they are not. Is there anybody else who has made a successful withdrawal from this scam site?. Personally I have tried on several occasions with even smaller amounts but nothing happens.
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February 25, 2016, 10:11:21 AM
Call the police and report them that you invested in scrypt.cc and couldn't withdraw in the amount that you want. Make a point that they are paying nonetheless.

The police will act upon it swiftly for and won't laugh at you with ridicule for sure.

Some effing dumbass claiming that the site is "paying" has no bearing on the actual fact of fraud and no such point needs to be made.


Undoubtedly, scryptcc is paying.

LOL everytime it pays somebody reports the hotwallet used. 

Dumbasef, can I ask which do you prefer?

"You're an idiot"
... or ...
"You're a transparent shill, an apologist for scrypt.cc"?

I'm kinda inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt, and believe that you really, genuinely, truly don't understand what's happening around you. But I don't want to malign you as an idiot if that's not the case.

(For the benefit of other readers, and to keep this vaguely on-topic, "paying" is not a magical antidote to fraud - the two are not mutually exclusive (though don't let me mislead you - "paying" means you accepting at minimum a 25% "charge" on your withdrawal). I'm not sure why Dumbasef would try and derail this conversation away from fraud, but Dumbasef is usually desperate to spin anything scrypt.cc in a positive light. I can only speculate as to why this is...)
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February 25, 2016, 10:08:11 AM
Call the police and report them that you invested in scrypt.cc and couldn't withdraw in the amount that you want. Make a point that they are paying nonetheless.

The police will act upon it swiftly for and won't laugh at you with ridicule for sure.

Some effing dumbass claiming that the site is "paying" has no bearing on the actual fact of fraud and no such point needs to be made.


Undoubtedly, scryptcc is paying.

LOL everytime it pays somebody reports the hotwallet used. 

Yes, it is true he pay... He paid me less than 1 BTC me in total and I also stole nearly 3 BTCs. You're a piece of donkey boy, you're the only fool knowing that is a proven scam still encouraging people here.
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 09:58:45 AM
Call the police and report them that you invested in scrypt.cc and couldn't withdraw in the amount that you want. Make a point that they are paying nonetheless.

The police will act upon it swiftly for and won't laugh at you with ridicule for sure.

Some effing dumbass claiming that the site is "paying" has no bearing on the actual fact of fraud and no such point needs to be made.


Undoubtedly, scryptcc is paying.

LOL everytime it pays somebody reports the hotwallet used. 

Undoubtedly scrypt.cc is a scam. Whether it's shifting some dust around or trolling the forum or whatever - doesn't matter.
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February 25, 2016, 09:45:51 AM
Call the police and report them that you invested in scrypt.cc and couldn't withdraw in the amount that you want. Make a point that they are paying nonetheless.

The police will act upon it swiftly for and won't laugh at you with ridicule for sure.

Some effing dumbass claiming that the site is "paying" has no bearing on the actual fact of fraud and no such point needs to be made.


Undoubtedly, scryptcc is paying.

LOL everytime it pays somebody reports the hotwallet used. 
legendary
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https://bpip.org
February 25, 2016, 09:36:50 AM
Call the police and report them that you invested in scrypt.cc and couldn't withdraw in the amount that you want. Make a point that they are paying nonetheless.

The police will act upon it swiftly for and won't laugh at you with ridicule for sure.

Some effing dumbass claiming that the site is "paying" has no bearing on the actual fact of fraud and no such point needs to be made.
legendary
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February 25, 2016, 02:43:01 AM
No, what you do is file a complaint explaining that you have lost money to a website which fraudulently misrepresented itself and claimed to be providing a legitimate service which you have since discovered was nothing but a ponzi-based scam.

That will be sufficient for the complaint to be sent to a department which handles financial fraud. As has been said, there are enough cases of these ponzi schemes now being pursued by law enforcement to warrant the effort of making a complain. Particularly so in this case as the website is still live, which suggests there is potential for more people to be defrauded, adding impetus to any investigation.

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