Topic: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts - page 254. (Read 1404012 times)

Whenever I win some chips from these freerolls I'll help. I have a 37" monitor and love multitabling.

1) So do it. See point 2 for cash.

2) Not totally what I meant but what I meant helps what you are talking about.  List the site on MPEx.  Generate the revenue to facilitate a some more media.  I can't see what you have to to lose at this point.  No one is saying over sell of course.  I think you would get a lot more backers than you think.

None of my business but a thought.

1)  I heart OFC so much.  Bought some domains a few months ago after it took off WSOP 2012.  I really, really want to make an OFC for btc game. 

2)  Going "public" with Seals is an odd way to say it - we are totally open to the public now - but I feel what you mean - you want us to buy ads in Cardplayer / Bluff / Pnews / etc and make a big noise in the poker world.  Remember this is a major cost - something we are looking into, something we are likely to fire on soon, but something that is not to be taken lightly.   Cliffs:  We're on it.

3)  FFFF (500 chip or .5 btc freeroll with ~ 20ish players lucky enough to scoop 1 of these codes:) snapping off in 10 min. Here are 4 1x use codes for the 4 fastest fingers:

FFF-%!HE^SJLYD
FFF-E1YSZIB4UM
FFF-XEAZB3IP7D
FFF-&JCVQB2I!8

What about BTC on Tilt? https://www.btcontilt.com/

This one is weird. Site is up and down.  Very decent stand alone software.  When/if it is up it's a waste land.  A couple other Sealers (Clubers?) and others.

Any ideas? I read somewhere he (owner) put a good chunk of change in the software and that was it.

Here is the poker game of the minute that needs bitcoin love.

Open face chinese poker!

Already mentioned in the Android development site.  

I am the guy helping with the graphics.

And to put my 2 LTC in, I too think it's time to go public with Seals.  

1)  we take security very seriously.  Anyone that has ever accused any other player or players of unfair play can attest that we have investigated it. 

2)  I and the rest of ST6 have a shit ton of experience.  I personally had my first online poker account at Paradise poker in 1999.  In short, we are always trying to find and eliminate cheaters on Seals.  our policy is very clearly stated in the FAQ:  "We reserve the right to handle cheating, collusion, or otherwise unfair play at our sole discretion"  which means that when you play on Seals, you are trusting us to handle any future situation fairly, openly, and honestly.  I think our reputation over the last 1.6 yrs speaks for itself.

3)  if you ever think someone is cheating, colluding, or otherwise corrupting the games or the system of SealsWithClubs, please report it immediately across all our communications channels:  admin at Sealswithclubs dot eu, this thread, twitter, facebook, Reddit &/or SwC lobby chat.   We are 100% committed to spreading fair, low-rake games with lightning fast cashouts.

Yes they do.  And anytime I've seen anyone try shenanigans Freemoney responds swiftly and well.

Does SwC keep hand histories?  In the future, will you guys analyze that data to find colluders or cheaters?  Would you let a third party do analysis if you guys aren't currently doing it.

Thanks.

https://sealswithclubs.eu/faq/

What does SWC do to combat collusion at the table?

Just looking for multitablers with big screens to test the new stuff.  If you aren't a multitabler, then no worries.

Here's the reply to Micon that I wrote last night but couldn't post:


1) The 3 pots on bitmillions will average around 13288, 51.9 and 0.97 when they pay out (and will pay out half these amounts, since 50% is retained for the next winner).  When they are at those levels you can expect to lose the 10% house edge.  When they're higher, you can expect to lose less.

The formula to work out how much you can expect to get back from a 0.01 bet is:

If we plug in the numbers above, we get:
ie. your 0.01 bet returns 0.009, as expected.

If we plug in the current pot values:
we see that the game is currently quite (13%) +ev.  Every 0.01 you bet you can expect to get 0.0113 back - presumably because both the match-2 and the match-3 pots are three times bigger than their average sizes.  The match-2 pot is the most significant pot (37% of your returns come from it, vs. 28% from match-3, 19% from match-4, (and 16% from match-1)) - because they put 20%, 30%, and 40% of all losing bets into the match-4, match-3, and match-2 pots respectively).

The game is always +EV when match-4 is over 66994, when match-3 is over 174.5, or when match-2 is over 2.45, no matter how small the other two pots are:


but in general you'll need to put the 3 pot sizes into the above formula.  Or use:
  http://dooglus.com/bitmillions/
to do it for you.

2) As for video poker, it depends how you play.  If you play perfectly then it becomes +EV at 4921.1, but the bitcoinvideopoker auto-play plays a basic sub-optimal strategy, so it probably needs to be more like 5100.  Here's a hand-wavy justification: Each 1000 in the pot increases the expected return by around 0.495%.  Perfect play returns something like 99.55%, so an extra 1000 in the pot (making 5000) is more than enough.

Here's the analysis from wizardofodds.com:

I think you might be.  Are you forgetting that when you win a pot you only get 50% of it?  I wrote a reply to Micon's post last night but didn't finish it before the Internets went off for the night.  I'll post it below.  Your number for the expected return is a little less than twice mine - which would be explained by you forgetting to halve the rewards for the 2, 3, and 4 pots.

I don't really even singletable.  I kind of suck at poker and have found it's relatively +EV not to play, unless I know for a fact that my opponents are worse than me...  I don't mind testing it on the VM, but as far as I can tell it is just Android running on a virtual machine, and so will behave identically to on a real android device.  Except I couldn't get 'Draw Something' to run for some reason, so maybe not...

Awesome!  BTW, the next closed beta includes new multitable features.  If you multitable and want to test it out on the linux VM, please request beta access by emailing support aat sivv dottt commm

Isn't bitmillions currently +EV?

1094 * (1/3,921,225) + 74 * (1/10,211) + 1.99 * (1/143) + 0.01 * (1/6.86) = expected return per ticket
= 0.02289989078

The 1k btc jackpot actually contributes very minorly to the EV - even without the jackpot AND the 74 bitcoin match 3, the EV is 150%.

And this isn't counting the free tickets you get for high roller.

Of course I might be wrong :/

You inspired me to look into whether it's possible to run the app on a linux desktop.

Turns out it is, by installing VirtualBox (sudo apt-get install virtualbox-qt) and loading up an AndroVM image in it (http://androvm.org/blog/download/).  I found I had to "tar xf *.ova" to get at the .ovf file inside before I could load it, but then it worked fine:

ty for the kind words.  From you, that means alot to me.  Which means I read this forum way too much.

2 off topic Q's while I gotcha here though

1)  when, in your opinion, is Bitmillions +EV to buy a bunch of tickets for?  i.e. what does the jackpot have to be on each of them to warrant firing? I got a feeling when it first came out that bottom jackpot was very +EV and the middle was too when it was like 200+ coins

2)  when, in your opinion, is bitcoinvideopoker +EV to turn autoplay on and just let it grind like a boss?  IMO ~ 4500 ish

The first bitcoin poker site went down after getting hacked: http://betco.in/

PMPoker had regular freerolls for a while and attracted around 10 regular players, but I don't think anyone plays there any more.  The Windows-only Delphi client kept crashing every time I tried it, too: http://pmpoker.com/

Strike Sapphire Casino used to have popular freerolls and the occasional real-money ring game, but when they cracked down on groups of players who knew each other playing the games kind of died out: http://strikesapphire.com/

Infiniti Poker has been threatening to launch for a while now, but seems to be in closed beta: http://www.infinitipoker.com/

All-in-all, Seals is where it's at for Bitcoin poker: https://sealswithclubs.eu