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Topic: See, THIS is why we shouldn't have included Russia. (Read 1155 times)

legendary
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Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin

Stopped reading after this..
Don't bother with it , it's a clown speaking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYBYN64nS1s

Yeah, he's a clown for sure. Cheesy
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Proving that the Russians were right that a capsule is better than the reusable shuttle in terms of cost at least but not size.

And, apparently, they're planning to stick to that concept in future. After the cancellation of expensive Kliper project (sort of mini-shuttle comparable to also cancelled NASA's X-38 and European Hermes), Roscosmos is now working on PPTS (Prospective Piloted Transport System), basically a larger Soyuz with orbital and descent modules combined into one. Crew up to 6.

On the picture below are Earth-orbit and lunar versions, as well as old Soyuz:

legendary
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Well the US was expecting the private ventures to make them space capable by now
The problem with killing the shuttle program is that they didn't adopt the capsule program
Proving that the Russians were right that a capsule is better than the reusable shuttle in terms of cost at least but not size.
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Decentralized thinking
Only hope left for nasa is spacex or any other private company. And at the end of the day its going to be cheaper.
sr. member
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Contracting any military, communications, surveillance and the such to foreign countries is not a government being run by minds concerned about their country. These types of decisions can only be made purely on economic terms (greed and ambition) and not on national military and economic concerns.
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US not only losing the space race but also technology race.

If the government and mega corporations think they can continue to outsource and moving factory abroad, they will be in for rude awakening very soon.



We still have a massive edge. Private people in the US are innovating constantly. We don't want or need government driving innovation. Space X will have manned missions back in space long before NASA could and as a private business they will do at at far less expense. 

Point. If there's a market for it, American capitalism will find a way to do it. And there is a market for space travel.
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US not only losing the space race but also technology race.

If the government and mega corporations think they can continue to outsource and moving factory abroad, they will be in for rude awakening very soon.



We still have a massive edge. Private people in the US are innovating constantly. We don't want or need government driving innovation. Space X will have manned missions back in space long before NASA could and as a private business they will do at at far less expense. 
legendary
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simple

blow it up

In space, you can't just blow up structures like the ISS. It will produce a massive amount of debris and will destroy all the communication satellites. We will be left without Cable TV, Internet.etc for a few years.  Grin
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US not only losing the space race but also technology race.

If the government and mega corporations think they can continue to outsource and moving factory abroad, they will be in for rude awakening very soon.


Are you serious?
with the Chinese taking 4 years to build a bathub resembling an air carrier , the us is in grave danger Smiley


hey!

maybe there's a giant in space that needs a bath Cheesy

~yeah I know I started trolling too much, I'm going to take it down a notch
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US not only losing the space race but also technology race.

If the government and mega corporations think they can continue to outsource and moving factory abroad, they will be in for rude awakening very soon.


Are you serious?
with the Chinese taking 4 years to build a bathub resembling an air carrier , the us is in grave danger Smiley
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because it has 10 years left of operation and it's costly to maintain...

The ISS is arguably the most expensive single item ever constructed.[263] As of 2010 the cost is estimated to be $150 billion. It includes NASA's budget of $58.7 billion for the station from 1985 to 2015 ($72.4 billion dollars in 2010), Russia's $12 billion ISS budget, Europe's $5 billion, Japan's $5 billion, Canada's $2 billion, and the cost of 36 shuttle flights to build the station; estimated at $1.4 billion each, or $50.4 billion total.

+ it will send them a good message
that you're don't care if it's profitable or not, you'll get revenge

that's a good message for your enemy

It is cheaper to ignore it, than to blow it up.


not as cool

but isn't it cheaper to blow it up? Cheesy

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because it has 10 years left of operation and it's costly to maintain...

The ISS is arguably the most expensive single item ever constructed.[263] As of 2010 the cost is estimated to be $150 billion. It includes NASA's budget of $58.7 billion for the station from 1985 to 2015 ($72.4 billion dollars in 2010), Russia's $12 billion ISS budget, Europe's $5 billion, Japan's $5 billion, Canada's $2 billion, and the cost of 36 shuttle flights to build the station; estimated at $1.4 billion each, or $50.4 billion total.

If you act like you are not involved, all the costs would be for the other nations to maintain. This would cost them more than sending a bomb I think


but it doesn't send the right message Cheesy

altough you would have to deal with japan,canada etc. later Cheesy
so this is just theoretical..
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US not only losing the space race but also technology race.

If the government and mega corporations think they can continue to outsource and moving factory abroad, they will be in for rude awakening very soon.
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because it has 10 years left of operation and it's costly to maintain...

The ISS is arguably the most expensive single item ever constructed.[263] As of 2010 the cost is estimated to be $150 billion. It includes NASA's budget of $58.7 billion for the station from 1985 to 2015 ($72.4 billion dollars in 2010), Russia's $12 billion ISS budget, Europe's $5 billion, Japan's $5 billion, Canada's $2 billion, and the cost of 36 shuttle flights to build the station; estimated at $1.4 billion each, or $50.4 billion total.

+ it will send them a good message
that you're don't care if it's profitable or not, you'll get revenge

that's a good message for your enemy

It is cheaper to ignore it, than to blow it up.


not as cool

but isn't it cheaper to blow it up? Cheesy

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because it has 10 years left of operation and it's costly to maintain...

The ISS is arguably the most expensive single item ever constructed.[263] As of 2010 the cost is estimated to be $150 billion. It includes NASA's budget of $58.7 billion for the station from 1985 to 2015 ($72.4 billion dollars in 2010), Russia's $12 billion ISS budget, Europe's $5 billion, Japan's $5 billion, Canada's $2 billion, and the cost of 36 shuttle flights to build the station; estimated at $1.4 billion each, or $50.4 billion total.

If you act like you are not involved, all the costs would be for the other nations to maintain. This would cost them more than sending a bomb I think
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because it has 10 years left of operation and it's costly to maintain...

The ISS is arguably the most expensive single item ever constructed.[263] As of 2010 the cost is estimated to be $150 billion. It includes NASA's budget of $58.7 billion for the station from 1985 to 2015 ($72.4 billion dollars in 2010), Russia's $12 billion ISS budget, Europe's $5 billion, Japan's $5 billion, Canada's $2 billion, and the cost of 36 shuttle flights to build the station; estimated at $1.4 billion each, or $50.4 billion total.

+ it will send them a good message
that you're don't care if it's profitable or not, you'll get revenge

that's a good message for your enemy

It is cheaper to ignore it, than to blow it up.


not as cool

but isn't it cheaper to blow it up? Cheesy

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because it has 10 years left of operation and it's costly to maintain...

The ISS is arguably the most expensive single item ever constructed.[263] As of 2010 the cost is estimated to be $150 billion. It includes NASA's budget of $58.7 billion for the station from 1985 to 2015 ($72.4 billion dollars in 2010), Russia's $12 billion ISS budget, Europe's $5 billion, Japan's $5 billion, Canada's $2 billion, and the cost of 36 shuttle flights to build the station; estimated at $1.4 billion each, or $50.4 billion total.
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because it has 10 years left of operation and it's costly to maintain...

The ISS is arguably the most expensive single item ever constructed.[263] As of 2010 the cost is estimated to be $150 billion. It includes NASA's budget of $58.7 billion for the station from 1985 to 2015 ($72.4 billion dollars in 2010), Russia's $12 billion ISS budget, Europe's $5 billion, Japan's $5 billion, Canada's $2 billion, and the cost of 36 shuttle flights to build the station; estimated at $1.4 billion each, or $50.4 billion total.

+ it will send them a good message
that you're don't care if it's profitable or not, you'll get revenge

that's a good message for your enemy

It is cheaper to ignore it, than to blow it up.
member
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because it has 10 years left of operation and it's costly to maintain...

The ISS is arguably the most expensive single item ever constructed.[263] As of 2010 the cost is estimated to be $150 billion. It includes NASA's budget of $58.7 billion for the station from 1985 to 2015 ($72.4 billion dollars in 2010), Russia's $12 billion ISS budget, Europe's $5 billion, Japan's $5 billion, Canada's $2 billion, and the cost of 36 shuttle flights to build the station; estimated at $1.4 billion each, or $50.4 billion total.

+ it will send them a good message
that you're don't care if it's profitable or not, you'll get revenge

that's a good message for your enemy
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Merit: 501
in defi we trust

because it has 10 years left of operation and it's costly to maintain...

The ISS is arguably the most expensive single item ever constructed.[263] As of 2010 the cost is estimated to be $150 billion. It includes NASA's budget of $58.7 billion for the station from 1985 to 2015 ($72.4 billion dollars in 2010), Russia's $12 billion ISS budget, Europe's $5 billion, Japan's $5 billion, Canada's $2 billion, and the cost of 36 shuttle flights to build the station; estimated at $1.4 billion each, or $50.4 billion total.
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Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin

Stopped reading after this..
Don't bother with it , it's a clown speaking.
legendary
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The Russians have already suggested a replacement to Obama.

http://www.thetrumpet.com/article/11816.2.0.0/science/space/international-space-station-russia-tells-president-obama-to-go-rent-a-trampoline

Why waste $60 million per passenger on Russian space flights, when the alternative costs much less?
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