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August 19, 2012, 10:06:01 PM
#65
No! Hows that?
How's this: you're wrong, and everyone who has a copy of the Official Monopoly Rules can clearly see that you're wrong. The correct thing to do in a situation like this is either admit that you're wrong or explain why you still think that you're right. Both of these options allow you to appear to be an intelligent individual who just happened to be mistaken about one particular detail. But just saying "No!" makes you instead look like a complete idiot. You don't want to look like a complete idiot, do you?


LOL ... If all I did was worry about how I looked in front of people I would have a worse problem than I appear to have this thread now wouldnt I? Honest people will see the word "theoretical" and realize what is going on.
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August 19, 2012, 09:17:38 PM
#64
No! Hows that?
How's this: you're wrong, and everyone who has a copy of the Official Monopoly Rules can clearly see that you're wrong. The correct thing to do in a situation like this is either admit that you're wrong or explain why you still think that you're right. Both of these options allow you to appear to be an intelligent individual who just happened to be mistaken about one particular detail. But just saying "No!" makes you instead look like a complete idiot. You don't want to look like a complete idiot, do you?

Yes! Hows that?
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August 19, 2012, 09:15:42 PM
#63
No! Hows that?
How's this: you're wrong, and everyone who has a copy of the Official Monopoly Rules can clearly see that you're wrong. The correct thing to do in a situation like this is either admit that you're wrong or explain why you still think that you're right. Both of these options allow you to appear to be an intelligent individual who just happened to be mistaken about one particular detail. But just saying "No!" makes you instead look like a complete idiot. You don't want to look like a complete idiot, do you?
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August 19, 2012, 08:52:03 PM
#62
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Paper money that is theoretically unlimited; if the bank runs out of money the players must make do with other markers, or calculate on paper. Additional paper money can be bought at certain locations, notably game and hobby stores, or downloaded from various websites and printed and cut by hand (one such site has created a $1,000 bill for the game; it is not one of the standard denominations). In the original U.S. standard editions, the supply generally starts with $15,140.



When the game is played normally you can actually RUN OUT of money. But theoretically... yes you can print  up money and play like the "Big Boys". Smiley


I was not talking theoretically.
There's nothing "theoretical" about it: the official rules specifically state that you are allowed to do this. This is the normal way of playing. The bank cannot run out of money when playing using the official rules. Please read the rules rather than quoting Wikipedia out of context.

No! Hows that?
... wow... just wow
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August 19, 2012, 08:51:23 PM
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Paper money that is theoretically unlimited; if the bank runs out of money the players must make do with other markers, or calculate on paper. Additional paper money can be bought at certain locations, notably game and hobby stores, or downloaded from various websites and printed and cut by hand (one such site has created a $1,000 bill for the game; it is not one of the standard denominations). In the original U.S. standard editions, the supply generally starts with $15,140.



When the game is played normally you can actually RUN OUT of money. But theoretically... yes you can print  up money and play like the "Big Boys". Smiley


I was not talking theoretically.
There's nothing "theoretical" about it: the official rules specifically state that you are allowed to do this. This is the normal way of playing. The bank cannot run out of money when playing using the official rules. Please read the rules rather than quoting Wikipedia out of context.

No! Hows that?
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August 19, 2012, 08:50:26 PM
#60
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Paper money that is theoretically unlimited; if the bank runs out of money the players must make do with other markers, or calculate on paper. Additional paper money can be bought at certain locations, notably game and hobby stores, or downloaded from various websites and printed and cut by hand (one such site has created a $1,000 bill for the game; it is not one of the standard denominations). In the original U.S. standard editions, the supply generally starts with $15,140.



When the game is played normally you can actually RUN OUT of money. But theoretically... yes you can print  up money and play like the "Big Boys". Smiley


I was not talking theoretically.
There's nothing "theoretical" about it: the official rules specifically state that you are allowed to do this. This is the normal way of playing. The bank cannot run out of money when playing using the official rules. Please read the rules rather than quoting Wikipedia out of context.
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August 19, 2012, 08:40:36 PM
#59
Well no, even your quote says as much can be printed "the players must make do with other markers, or calculate on paper."
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August 19, 2012, 08:37:23 PM
#58
In the game of Monopoly, they use a set amount of money. The "banker" is not allowed to print up more. Fiat money used in every day life is less honest than the game of Monopoly. Bitcoin goes up to 21 million and there will be no more.
Say what?

Quote from: Official Monopoly Rules
If the Bank runs out of money, the Banker may issue as much as needed by writing on any ordinary paper.
Fiat money is exactly like Monopoly money in every way. Be sure to tell this astounding fact to everyone you know. Smiley

No, I wont... there is only a set amount available for the whole game. I will be sure to tell that to everyone I know. Smiley


Got the rulebook?


Figured I would hammer the point in...


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The distribution of cash in the U.S. version has changed with the newer release versions. Older versions had a total of $15,140 in the following amounts/colors:



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The newer (September 2008) editions have a total of $20,580, with 30 of each bill denomination.


But!

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Paper money that is theoretically unlimited; if the bank runs out of money the players must make do with other markers, or calculate on paper. Additional paper money can be bought at certain locations, notably game and hobby stores, or downloaded from various websites and printed and cut by hand (one such site has created a $1,000 bill for the game; it is not one of the standard denominations). In the original U.S. standard editions, the supply generally starts with $15,140.



When the game is played normally you can actually RUN OUT of money. But theoretically... yes you can print  up money and play like the "Big Boys". Smiley


I was not talking theoretically.
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August 19, 2012, 08:28:53 PM
#57
In the game of Monopoly, they use a set amount of money. The "banker" is not allowed to print up more. Fiat money used in every day life is less honest than the game of Monopoly. Bitcoin goes up to 21 million and there will be no more.
Say what?

Quote from: Official Monopoly Rules
If the Bank runs out of money, the Banker may issue as much as needed by writing on any ordinary paper.
Fiat money is exactly like Monopoly money in every way. Be sure to tell this astounding fact to everyone you know. Smiley

No, I wont... there is only a set amount available for the whole game. I will be sure to tell that to everyone I know. Smiley
Although only $15,140 is included in a standard set, the rules explicitly allow for more money to be issued if the initial supply runs out. Go get out your monopoly set, find the booklet that says "Rules" and read it. The only things with a fixed supply in Monopoly are properties, houses, and hotels. Money in Monopoly is unlimited.
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August 19, 2012, 08:19:22 PM
#56
In the game of Monopoly, they use a set amount of money. The "banker" is not allowed to print up more. Fiat money used in every day life is less honest than the game of Monopoly. Bitcoin goes up to 21 million and there will be no more.
Say what?

Quote from: Official Monopoly Rules
If the Bank runs out of money, the Banker may issue as much as needed by writing on any ordinary paper.
Fiat money is exactly like Monopoly money in every way. Be sure to tell this astounding fact to everyone you know. Smiley

No, I wont... there is only a set amount available for the whole game. I will be sure to tell that to everyone I know. Smiley


Got the rulebook?
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August 19, 2012, 08:15:22 PM
#55
In the game of Monopoly, they use a set amount of money. The "banker" is not allowed to print up more. Fiat money used in every day life is less honest than the game of Monopoly. Bitcoin goes up to 21 million and there will be no more.
Say what?

Quote from: Official Monopoly Rules
If the Bank runs out of money, the Banker may issue as much as needed by writing on any ordinary paper.
Fiat money is exactly like Monopoly money in every way. Be sure to tell this astounding fact to everyone you know. Smiley

No, I wont... there is only a set amount available for the whole game. I will be sure to tell that to everyone I know. Smiley

legendary
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August 19, 2012, 07:19:48 PM
#54
Monopoly is inflating money supply every round.
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August 19, 2012, 07:15:11 PM
#53
In the game of Monopoly, they use a set amount of money. The "banker" is not allowed to print up more. Fiat money used in every day life is less honest than the game of Monopoly. Bitcoin goes up to 21 million and there will be no more.
Say what?

Quote from: Official Monopoly Rules
If the Bank runs out of money, the Banker may issue as much as needed by writing on any ordinary paper.
Fiat money is exactly like Monopoly money in every way. Be sure to tell this astounding fact to everyone you know. Smiley
legendary
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August 19, 2012, 02:46:40 PM
#52
Beautiful poem, but just a poem.

But you've probably seen the videos shot from the top floors of some hotel next to the Indian Ocean during tsunami. You've seen people approaching the receding ocean waters in curiosity. Only few of them survived, those who managed to climb and hold to the tallest palm trees.

An there also was this 5-th grade girl who recently had class about tsunamis, seen the receeding waters and told everyone in earshot to run thus saving lives of multiple people.

Same thing is happening here, except the "blood on the streets" is only proverbial. And the cool cats won't really need nine lives to appreciate the value of learning from the mistakes of the other people.

Edit: Ha, ha. I just re-checked the information from the poem. It appears that in English cats have nine lives, whereas in romance languages cats have seven lives. I didn't know that.

Edit #2: Not 5-th grade but 3-rd or 4-th. I found the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilly_Smith
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August 19, 2012, 02:37:19 PM
#51
The standard bitcoin scammer MO is to take the money and run, while promising a 50% refund to buy themselves time. Maybe they give a couple people their money back, maybe they just use sockpuppet accounts to say they did.

How many people who have contributed something "world-changing" in history did it anonymously?

I hear the inventor of this crypto-currency thing did.

And probably more will follow. Times are a-changing.

How so? His name is Satoshi.
Allegedly.
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August 19, 2012, 02:35:41 PM
#50
What are the odds that bitcoin will allow some of the worst excesses of capitalism to occur with people knowing there is absolutely no way victims can get justice ?



In the game of Monopoly, they use a set amount of money. The "banker" is not allowed to print up more. Fiat money used in every day life is less honest than the game of Monopoly. Bitcoin goes up to 21 million and there will be no more.
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August 19, 2012, 02:31:58 PM
#49
How many people who have contributed something "world-changing" in history did it anonymously?

I hear the inventor of this crypto-currency thing did.

And probably more will follow. Times are a-changing.

How so? His name is Satoshi.
legendary
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August 19, 2012, 02:30:49 PM
#48
something in the human psyche where we don't calculate the odds
Why are you concentating on humans only? I'm sure you've heard of the cats that were killed due to their curiosity. It is a fact of life. Most cats on this board are young and can be more cautious in their remaining six lives.

Um, ahem:
http://www.poetryarchive.org/poetryarchive/singlePoem.do?poemId=11921
legendary
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August 19, 2012, 02:12:30 PM
#47
something in the human psyche where we don't calculate the odds
Why are you concentating on humans only? I'm sure you've heard of the cats that were killed due to their curiosity. It is a fact of life. Most cats on this board are young and can be more cautious in their remaining six lives.
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August 19, 2012, 02:04:39 PM
#46
"I have an amazing investment opportunitiy that will make you a lot of money very quickly but I can't explain the details; just give me your cash and don't ask questions" should always be regarded as a scam until proven otherwise because scammers have been using minor variations of that line for centuries.

Indeed.  Humans learn nothing from history, it's just amazing for how the same things happen over and over, in spite of accumulated knowledge.

The most infamous scam IPO of 1720, at the height of the South Sea Bubble, advertised itself as "a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is".   Eerily familiar to much of the lending activity in the Bitcoin economy.

I guess the profitability of casinos and lotteries proves that there must be something in the human psyche where we don't calculate the odds of total loss vs. large reward properly.  Put a big enough prize in front of people, and greed just overwhelms any rational assessment of a negative outcome.

It makes for great entertainment, however.  I'm totally addicted to the weekly scandals and price volatility.  Much more exciting than anything in my real life.
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