Topic: Self-mod Censorship wall of shame (e_o_l_e_o) - page 2. (Read 822 times)

Another one:


Now poor put-upon Dr(?) Oileo is boo-hoo about people not using 'his' space 'appropriately' and has locked his thread.  Or claimed to.  Taking his ball and going home so to speak.

Of course 'appropriately'  means echoing standard medical/industrial complex tripe that one can get anywhere, and doing it without anyone challanging the garbage.  In other words, speaking from some self-appointed position of authority on-high and never having to defend one's position.

Poor whiny self entitled little bitch has probably never run across a 'free' platform and is all flustered.

BTW, Dr(?) Oileo is a a banner spammer of course.  Supplementing his income as a hospital bed washer perhaps?  Probably not.  Most likely he is trying to lure in dupes to a flawed product (over and above the pharma industry's wares.)  There is no way I would trust a 'privacy mixer' product pumped by someone of his ilk.  You can thank me latter for my analysis on this one.

I know that I hit just the right spot when it’s too chicken to say my name.

Censoring my name now, are you?  I noticed you doing something similar to Dr. o_e_l_e_o on the other thread.  In colloquial terms, that post was a bitch move—and so is this whole thread.

You whine about “censorship” because Dr. o_e_l_e_o created a self-mod thread.  Yet apparently, you do not want for others to have the opportunity to read his thread and decide for themselves:  You did not link to it there, and did not link to it here in OP.  Why not?  Are you afraid that people may decide that Dr. o_e_l_e_o is credible, and you are not credible at all.



Indeed, it is difficult to pin-point a single irrational statement by you, just as it is difficult to pin-point a drop of water in a sea.  I picked two:  Your accusation that people who use forum features provided by the forum administration are somehow “leeching” off of forum administration; and your cries of “censorship” because Dr. o_e_l_e_o does not allow arrant nonsense to be dumped in a thread that he created for serious discussion.

Having demonstrated that you were completely irrational in (0) the first paragraph of your OP, and (1) the alleged purpose of this thread, I didn’t waste my time with the rest of what you said.



Anyone who has seen my post history knows that you’re just trolling with that.

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You sound like me there.  I must have infected you with the Nullian mind-virus.

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Hey, nutildah.  Evidently, we are now “you guys”.  Perhaps the “Normies” Gang?  Based on my absolutely rock-solid record of always parroting goodthinkful opinions approved by the U.S. government, and never daring thoughtcrime, I insist that I should be the Supreme Leader; but I am willing to fight you for that.

...oh no, I may have just been kicked out.  I said something that I can predict with arithmetical certainty Dr. o_e_l_e_o will disagree with!  Surely, he will now censor me out of existence.

Quote from: nullius on March 15, 2020, 12:53:59 PM

I have long fancied sitting down with an anti-vaxer, looking him deadpan in the eye, and telling him that yes, I fully agree that all childhood vaccinations should be stopped:  Vaccination removes the necessary selective pressure for a healthy, robust, finely-tuned immune system—and substitutes in its place the empty hybris of a supposition that humans can cure all diseases.

Hey, anti-vaxers, here is a challenge for you:  I will publicly support you, if you will be the first to step up and declare that much though we may wish otherwise, we need some more dead kids in each generation—to prevent unlimited mass suffering and potential extinction in all the generations yet unborn.

I need not reach the question of how bad the side effects of vaccines are or aren’t.  Of course, all medicines have side effects.  Whether vaccines are benign except in a few rare, unfortunate cases, or causing widespread injuries about which The Truth is suppressed by The Medical Establishment, the answer is irrelevant to me.

[...]  I don’t need to know medicine:  I know history.  People used to have eight, ten, or even twenty (yes, literally, twenty) kids with the knowledge that some would die, and others would survive...

tvbcof, want to take up my challenge here, where I can’t use self-mod powers to “censor” you?  Stop being a wimp.  Speak up for The Truth!

I doubt that either you or the noob above you can pin-point a single thing I have said that was 'irrational on almost any post on this board.  It's not surprising that you don't even try.

You can find a ton of stuff I said that didn't follow 'authorized' thought patterns at the time I said it.  I know that to you guys and other normies that some sort of a thought crime, but that is basically your problem.

The trouble for U.S. boot lickers is that not everyone in the world has such a slavish devotion Trump and his corp/gov team that they will ignore basic science just because it was published in China or whatever.  Obviously the U.S., and by extension the Western orthodoxy, is trying to blame Chinese bat soup for all of the troubles in the world and support their sponsors in Big Pharma so the years of conditioning that they invested in pumping into your soft heads is going to make you recoil at any questions which don't line up with the Western propaganda.  Don't worry...It will pass...if you live long enough.

Yeah, right?  People are such leeches when they use the forum features thoughtfully provided by the forum’s administration.  Why doesn’t theymos stop dick-heads from leeching?  He must hate that!  How do those leeches stop him from disabling self-mod on every forum (as it is disabled in Meta, inter alia), or autobanning everybody who uses the self-mod checkbox?  Anyway, I am sure that the forum’s administration would much prefer it if everybody who uses self-mod would instead go away, and create their own forums.

Since you already showed a total inability to think logically, I will just snip most of your nonsense and skip down to this:


Buy yourself a dictionary and learn the meaning of basic English words, before you even begin to think about opining on medical topics.

P.S., don’t you dare try to censor my expression of my opinion on your trust page.

So an anonymous self-proclaimed 'doctor' can produce a link to a medical/industrial complex trade lobby group and it's good enough to convince you of his credentials?  I mean just wow.

BTW, I'm not saying that Dr. Oily's jargon is pure babble.  I'm mostly just that many people can produce it with a little effort.  Especially copy/paste enthusiasts.


That's known as 'Stockholm syndrome' my friend.

You would take the advice of an anonymous guy on the internet who claims he is a doctor and posts standard industry fliers to 'prove' it, but fails to post any credentials and fails to use disclaimers as is the norm for the profession?

I guess by using this technique you can save some money and time waiting in the clinic...on your journey through chronic illness, bankruptcy, Alzheimer, and death.

Outstanding advice!  Everyone should take everything from anyone 'with a grain of salt.'  I can promise that I don't have the power to insert fake studies into pub-med though.

What I mostly do is to present ideas and links to information which a lot of people have not heard of.  This is not because the information isn't out there, but it can be hard to find because there is a mainstream narrative which is heavily promoted and information that doesn't conform to the mainstream narrative is quashed.  People who don't go out side of a particular box [which is most people] simply have no access to it.  And people are conditioned from pre-school through grad school to NOT auto-generate new ideas for themselves.

Sharp eyed viewers might note that a lot of things which were fringe conspiracy theories in the not to distant past have been allowed into mainstream-land eventually.  The 'cost' of keeping them out indefinitely outweighs the 'benefit' of keeping them hidden.  Anyway, being able to recognize them early can make a person healthy, wealthy, and wise.  I'm always glad to see that happen, and especially in cases where my efforts clearly had something to do with it.

I have seen the OP post a lot of dis/misinformation about the coronavirus. I would take anything he says with a grain of salt.

Same with politicians. Look at this little post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54049257.

Stupid argument because if you stop taking one-a-day for a month Big Pharma still loses a months worth of revenue on their quarterly report.

For my part I really mostly care that people increase their chances of survival overcome the propaganda and eugenics if doing so will help them.

If people can clear this hurdle (not reflexively buying everything bit of propaganda that Big Pharma is selling) then maybe they won't come at people like me who don't necessarily want 100 vaccinations per year that are in the pipeline and accuse me of being a threat to them.  As things stand now way to many people are begging for all the vaccines they can get and more problematically, begging big brother to round up everyone in the world and dose them up too.  That's a problem for me (and it could be one of the main driving forces behind the creation and release of SARS-cov-2 (or SARS++ as I call it.))


No, that's not what I am saying at all.

You seem to be saying (fairly clearly) that if you have a strong heart (thanks to meds) you got no problems.  If you got a weak heart because you didn't take your meds as instructed, you will die from coronavirus.  I'm saying that it's probably a bit more complicated than 'the heart'.

I AM saying that if you are in danger of suffering death from a cytokine storm from coronavirus and certain meds have known metabolic and biochemical reasons for increasing the risk and intensity of having a cytokine storm, it is almost certainly better to find something else for your hypertension for a while.  It's simple and it's obvious.

Indeed, the cytokine response does a lot of things to blood pressure because the blood vessels dilate in order to allow you immune system to fight an invader.  This can lead to low blood pressure.  If you are on high blood pressure meds, it is very possible that you'll want to get off of them for a while since coronavirus already addressed your high blood pressure problem for a while and now you are in danger because your blood pressure is to low.

I'm not saying that my blood pressure example is a good one or understood medically at this time.  It's just an illustration of a basic principle which really should not be that hard for you to understand.

Noting the extremely unusual pattern of mortality vs. age with this particular covid-19, inquisitive people should be asking themselves what is it about people aged 50-90 which is so much different than those under that age.  One fairly obvious thing is that the oldsters are increasingly jacked on all kinds of pharma products.  Part of the reason for this is that in the evolving 'public health' sphere doctors won't let you set foot in their office unless you sign a pledge to take whatever they might prescribe without asking any questions.  At least that's the way it is in my part of the United States (before I got the hell out).

Anyway, refusing to even entertain the hypothesis that the extreme rates of medication use among the older folks might be associated with the extreme mortality plots in this age group with covid-19 in town speaks to a very high degree of indoctrination and conditioning among the peeps (health care professional and otherwise.)

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Well, look what the cat dragged in!


The relatively new schtick popular among the establishment media and medical profession is as follows:

  "There is no evidence of {blah} because we censored it."

Exactly what happened in the first post Dr? Oileo censored.  There was a military study showing a strong possibility that the flu vaccine made one more susceptible to coronavirus

  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599


What is one thing oldsters get at a much higher rate than younger folks (probably because they visit the doctor more and are strong-armed into it)?  Flu vaccination.  Could that be contributing to the very unusual figures from this covid-19?  Dr? Oileo's answer:  "No.  We censored it so the question never got asked.  And we didn't talk about vaccines.  Never happened."

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A related schtick to look for is "We know of no information that {favorite med} is associated with {blah, blah, blah}..."  You will see that one a lot in government and Big Pharma material meant for public consumption.  (In the fine print such as in vaccine inserts they will, due to informed consent laws, say straight up that their wares are know to cause all kinds of stuff including death.)   It doesn't matter that everyone else is well aware of a bunch of studies showing said association.  As long as they put it in the above manner, they have the legal out that they just missed it.

The media doesn't need protection.  They can (and do) just lie straight to your face and say 'there is no association'.  Period.

I will make a single post in this thread only. As I stated in the OP of my thread, it is for serious discussion only, with evidenced based guidelines and treatments. You have countless other threads you can derail with your Big Pharma conspiracy theories.

I've not mentioned vaccines once in that thread, so your entire argument on that point is a meaningless strawman.

As to your "take all your meds" argument, two medications were raised, one of which I said I wouldn't take, so again, your argument there is a strawman.

franky1, I simply deleted your post since it made no sense without the context of tvbcof's spam.

There is absolutely no evidence that ACE inhibitors or ARBs result in either more infections or more serious infections with SARS-CoV-2, but there is some evidence that they exert a protective effect against ARDS (which would mean stopping them would result in more deaths). There is no "proven or strongly suspected" detrimental effect as you suggest. A vague hypothesis is neither proven nor "research". If you have some evidence-based studies to substantiate these claims, I'd be more than happy for you to post them in my thread, but you don't because none exists. If you continue to post conspiracy theories and non-evidence based nonsense, I will continue to delete your comments.

i know you want to continue down the big pharma conspiracy..

let me ease your mind
big pharma made ACE meds last year. sold them already and those medications are stored in warehouses and passed on to patients.
whether a patient puts a pill in their mouth or not, does not affect big pharma's pockets.
they already got paid months ago.
yep that blisterpack of pills in someone medicine cabinet your trying to convince people not to take has already made big pharma money.. whether the person consumes them or trashes them
so dont make this into a ploy to try making big pharma bankrupt because you wont

as for human health
corona is going to go on for 3-6 months and people with heart issues needing meds being told by stupid people that their meds are causing corona or the meds is the cause of the risk. and so stop taking the meds for 3-6 months as some stupid immunity scheme or some stupid ploy to pretend it prevents the virus. not only puts people at risk of having more severe symptoms from WHEN(not if) they get corona. but also even if they dont get severe symptoms from corona they are stlll putting their heart at risk from general heart issues

stuff like fluid retention and breathing issues are symptoms of bad heart even without corona. so telling people to risk fluid retention an breathing issues and other stuff.. but saying its worth it because you will be immortal against corona.. is absolutely foolish.

its almost as stupid as saying if you put a gun in your mouth and shoot, dont worry you will not get shot in the leg.
trying to fool people that a shot in the head is better than the leg

another exampleof stupidity
its like saying you get corona from touching people. so instead use your car and run people over with it if they get close.
yep it seems extreme. but your trying to say risk doing something that can cause severe harm to pretend your preventing yourself from even getting the flu in the first place.

again. people will get the flu no matter what

Really?  I'm sure he agreed with your points.  Maybe you don't copy/paste from professional looking sources so your post contaminated 'his' carefully manicured space?  Maybe he just doesn't consider you a right and proper ass-licker who is likely to be wowed by his magnificence?  I guess we're banished to wallowing in the mud with the other lesser people.

I think you see my point.  There are cases where it would be wise to keep an eye on the research involving the interaction of commonly perscrived medications (esp things like ACE inhibitors) and switch to a different method of dealing with existing problems if a particular medication is proven or strongly suspected of being detrimental to covid-19 specifically.

To deny this is just stupid in my opinion.

If you want to make the argument that more people are idiots and more will stop taking their meds without understanding the issues and die because of that at a higher rate than they would covid-19, that is a tenable argument to me.

If you want to argue that Big Pharma will have selfless advice and suggest that people stop taking certain of their meds for a while due to special conditions, I very much doubt it.  I also doubt that more than a handful of doctors will take their patients off a particular pharma product unless there is a different one which Big Pharma wants to peddle and issues the proper directives to their minions.  You can call it a crazy conspiracy theory if you want.  I call it an observation of reality, and I think that there is ample evidence that MANY executives in the pharma companies think just like Obama adviser Ezekiel Emanuel; [pleb] life after age 75 is not worth living.

ill repeat what i said before eoleo deleted mine and your posts in the other topic.
yea he even deleted mine

anyway
your argument is about the medication making the virus more able to replicate because of the enzyme increase..
however. what people actually die of is cardiovascular problems because their body is at stress from not being able to breath and thus making their heart have to work harder to get oxygen around the body.

in short. you think stopping taking heart meds will stop you getting the flu.. but the reality is everyone will get the fl and by not taking your meds your not helping your heart, meaning there is more risk of you dying

its about the pro's and cons of actual health care
its not about big pharma conspiracies

its best people carry on taking their meds to strengthen their body and heart so your alive and breathing long enough for your body to actually fight off the virus

thinking not taking meds prevents virus is as stupid as you trying to convince people without heart meds are immune.
they are not. everyone will get it

what you are not realising is that most people just get a cough and dont report.
what you dont realise is even if you call and mention a cough your told just to look after yourself. again no report made
if you have a fever and shortness of breath, then maybe you will be tested. and only then would it have a report record

so for all those who get it but dont have underlying health issues will get it. but those with health issues will get it to and get it worse because their heart and circulatory system is compromised,
it has little to do with the meds
everyone will get it to some degree

so can you atleast do some research. .. and i mean research and not just conspiracy theorise. actually do research and realise not taking heart meds hurts your heart and makes it harder for you body to do things. thus more of a risk

not taking meds WONT prevent you getting the flu
again no proof that those without heart meds are immortal

have a nice day researching

Doctors say keep taking your pharma prescriptions.  Who could have guessed?