Topic: Sell your BTC for Moneypak +5% bonus through FacebookChat or Torchat - Learn How - page 17. (Read 71493 times)

You've missed it all. Remember i tried to pay you the rest back.. you said NO.. because you said they already reported it stolen.. SO look. I'm not trying to patch any story thats what exactly happened. I'll be happy to give u all my info to my card so u can call so they can tell you the same thing, or even 3 way the call. The ball is in your court so FYI stop doing business with him until he clears this up. Trust me i'll sabotage your business.

Please post your account name, password, and btc address for the refund in reply to this and a helper from the forums here will take care of doing that for you.

Alternatively, you can follow the refund procedure in the help section of the site https://moneypaktrader.com/?m=help (also shown on the debit card submission page of the site https://moneypaktrader.com/?m=order&op=1) if you prefer to personally enter your refund info.

Generally refunds are done in less than 24 hrs.

Hopefully the change in marketing strategy will increase MP's and investors will (once again) get prompt payouts for their deposits (ETA 2-3 days).


TODO:
Cross posting the ability to anonymously buy bitcoins with moneypaks to other forums (reddit, etc.) will hopefully get word out about how easy it is to buy bitcoins anonymously in the US and fuel more MP submissions to the site.

Thanks for trusting moneypaktrader.com for your bitcoin trading!

Okay. How do I go about getting btc funds refunded?

I have a confession to make. . .
The page for submitting debit cards is out of date regarding the time estimate for processing loads.

Factors that have changed:
1) Moneypak submissions have lowered in proportion to investor requests for moneypaks.
2) Investors are buying MP's with bitcoins via torchat at the mtgox rate in record numbers, lowering the moneypaks available to send to debit cards using the site at mtgox +5% to a trickle.
3) Numerous investors have deposited funds for the mtgox +5% rate making the shortage even more dramatic.

Investors might want to stop funding their accounts on moneypaktrader.com until the situation is repaired.

Refunds have not been affected by these factors and users are still welcome to withdraw their coins rather than wait.

I am working on increasing MP supply and also improving the site to scale up volume but programmer time is low.

I've changed the title from increasing BTC investors to increasing MP submissions, this will hopefully balance things out over the next few days.

Can you check your site? I have had an order opened for 4 days. I pmed you my username on your site.Thanks

Thanks Again!

   Firstly, our site moneypaktrader.com clearly outlines the RISK OF LOSS policy.
In this case, even if it happened as you said it did (which it didn't), you assumed the risk of loss and therefore the resulting loss.
"User assumes all risk of loss for USD once it is deposited to the appropriate location (generally a debit card). This includes the largely theoretical "moneypak reversal" [...] "

   As the evidence will show, I have been overly fair with greendots, refunding a $1K MP and trusting greendots when they lied about the value of the $445 MP which they bought as a $145 MP. Further greendots lied about "asked if i wanted to buy more". I have a policy to discontinue business with scammers, which greendots is.

greendots interaction SUMMARY -
   greendots, aka Disgruntled Customer (DC) first contacted me on July 3rd and they purchased a $1K Moneypak for 7.3 BTC in our third Torchat conversation the afternoon of Friday August 30.

 - Friday August 30 -
   DC notified me promptly that they couldn't load the $1K MP and I agreed to resell the $1K MP for 7.125, which I promtly did and sent them the funds from that.
   DC bought more MPs from me afterwards that day - $120, $80, and $145.
   I paid Suppliers for those MPs and noticed the $145 was actually a $445 MP, Supplier had mislabeled the original submission as $145 and sent a followup message stating it was $445 which I saw afterwards.
   I sent DC the payment address promptly after they cashed the $445 MP and told them to pay 2 BTC more for the extra $300 (well below the best of exchange rates at the time).
   DC agreed to pay the difference despite DC claiming the MP only deposited $145 to their account. This was obviously a lie from DC, but I had no solid evidence to contradict DC and because DC claimed to actually see it deposited as $145, obviously DC shouldn't pay extra, so I dropped the issue.

 - Sun 01 Sep 2013 -
   $445 MP Supplier contacted me to clarify that it was $445 on the MP (NOT $145) and asked for the rest of coins.
   I responded to Supplier that I would contact DC and give them Supplier's Bitcoin address and ask them to pay the extra bitcoins for the $445 MP.
   I contacted DC and gave them Supplier's bitcoin address requesting they pay the rest of the coins.

 - MONDAY -
   Supplier never received the extra $300 in coins. . . Imagine what they did?

 - Monday Night / Early Tue 03 Sep 2013 -
   DC reports the MP was clawed back and blames me, leads to this discussion.

BOTTOM LINE: DC NEVER PAID in full FOR THE $445 MP and the $80 MP probably wouldn't have been reversed (if it was reversed) if not for the $445 being contested. Obviously when you don't pay for the moneypak, the supplier is going to try to get it back. greendots was too stupid to take the embezzled funds out at the atm immediately after deciding to embezzle them and therefore got what they deserved, a rare thing for scammers in this community.

Link to redacted logs: http://pastebin.com/qSb34H3H

Did I miss anything? PLEASE CORRECT ME IF MY SUMMARY IS INCORRECT IN ANY WAY!

Mtgox has the highest volume, still double the second highest on many days, making other exchanges "follow" mtgox pricing.
Mtgox has had issues withdrawing USD, leading to a higher exchange rate (supply/demand). Have they solved this for USD withdrawals to the US ?

Yeah, greendots gets a Red flag for lying, greendots said in chat to me that greendots called green dot and circumstantial evidence suggests that only an act of god could make these debit card companies dial an outbound call.

Oh so its your fault that I haven't got my moneypak yet 

they never asked. I'm not new on buying mps.. lol so i kinda know the ropes. But moneypaktrader did confirm that the buyer of the actual mp reported it to greendot for fraud.. So.. he pretty much told on himself. Now hes not online since that incident. Quite strange. Nevertheless.. he owes me and he will pay./

Has anyone been in contact with him recently? I have an order that hasn't been fulfilled yet.

Does anyone here know why is it that MtGox has the highest value and how come all exchange graphs are almost identical all the time? Gox goes up all go up, gox goes down all go down. Why is that and how does it happen? Any good explanations?

I never heard about GD calling anybody about bad MP. They block your account and suggest YOU call their customer service.  BTW, did you tell them you bought your MP yourself?

because if u read the neg, it has nothing to do with exchanges.

Have you post a scam report already? Why would you deal with red caution underneath the username?

i bought 3 mps from him ddays ago.. then they charged back.. i got a call from greendot saying they were blocking my card and siezing funds because the purchaser has reported them stolen. MOneypaktrader here said i should take it as a loss.. Why? I bought them from him! he didn't even help me! He ignored it and asked if i wanted to buy more! it was for $445 and a 80$

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