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Topic: ★★★Selling $100 Starbucks Gift Cards at 75% discount★★★ - page 11. (Read 10621 times)

legendary
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jamesphamm33, I'll buy one card for $25 with the condition that you let me use up at least $50 of it before I pay you. If the balance on it gets voided any time before I use up $50, then I don't pay you anything. Fair game?

Mhh, I don't know how long you will take to use up $50. Not really fair if you take a few weeks to use $50 since my warranty is 7 days.

Is this how much confidence you have in the cards you sell? A short 7 days? I'll pass then. I can't drink $25 worth of coffee to just break even.
newbie
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Merit: 0
add me on yahoo or send me PM if you want to buy cards. I have 6 more left.


jamesphamm33, I'll buy one card for $25 with the condition that you let me use up at least $50 of it before I pay you. If the balance on it gets voided any time before I use up $50, then I don't pay you anything. Fair game?


Mhh, I don't know how long you will take to use up $50. Not really fair if you take a few weeks to use $50 since my warranty is 7 days.
copper member
Activity: 2926
Merit: 2348
I just wanted to let everyone know that the OP is an alt of Mrbutter, who was selling StarBucks gift cards until they started to get zero'ed out at which point he disappeared. Mrbutter's sales thread is here. Additionally according to his sales thread, Mrbutter is an alt of sbdealer who had a very similar fate.

I am going to say that I have very convincing evidence of this fact, however I am not going to post it publicly (I don't want the person behind these accounts to know what he did wrong). I am however willing to share it with anyone reputable on the condition that they agree to only say that they can make the same conclusion (or cannot make the same conclusion if that is the case) and agree not to post such evidence.
legendary
Activity: 812
Merit: 1002
jamesphamm33, I'll buy one card for $25 with the condition that you let me use up at least $50 of it before I pay you. If the balance on it gets voided any time before I use up $50, then I don't pay you anything. Fair game?
full member
Activity: 177
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Bought card this morning, friendly and no issues at all. I will be back for more.

As promised.

Thank you
newbie
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You are a troll of the trolls and act all superior and mighty just because you are on badbears trust list. But everyone can see that you are a closed minded scum who is obsessed about protecting your own interest on this forum. You are now ignored and I will leave this trust left by a hero member who observed everything on the scam accusation thread which can be found here and let everyone decide for themselves: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wardrick-scammed-me-out-of-110-939260

"bitspill 0: -0 / +1(1)   2015-01-31   0.00000000   Reference   Regularly trades gift cards, "purchases" starbucks card from jamesphamm33. First claims he'll pay after he uses them to verify they work. Later claims he didn't know they were carded so he will not be paying. jamesphamm33 is out the BTC and the GCs, read reference and decide for yourself who's right."
copper member
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I am posting about how risky it is to purchase from you which is on topic because it is both discussing the product you are selling as well as your overall level of trust.

Since you ignored my question about getting proof they were aquired via legit means I am going to assume that you did not until you correct me.

I am sure there are plenty of ways to steal gift cards and have the end result be that there is a remaining balance on the card.
You are still ignoring my question, so I will continue to assume you knew they were not purchased via legit means
Wonder why I was left with a negative trust?
1) You attacked me first of all when it was non of your business.
I did not attack you, I looked at facts. If you post a scam accusation then it is the communities business.
2) You and Wardrick and ganged up on me to twist the story of what happened and put the blame on me.
I only looked at the facts.
3) This dispute is over. Wardrick left me hanging with no payment and 5 cards.
If you have not been paid then the dispute is still ongoing unless you are willing to concede.
4) And didn't I say to stop spamming my post lol? You have no business here if you dont intend on buying any cads from me.
You have no right to direct me not to post here. You do not own this thread nor do you own the forum. If you want to give such orders then you should go and create your own forum.
copper member
Activity: 2926
Merit: 2348
OMG! so much spoiling of OP's post
Just bought 2 cards from OP w/o Escrow
went first and he promised to replace card whenever they go bad , so yeah The seller is Legit

you do realize that he is using a throwaway account right? Once the cards start to go bad he can simply abandon the account he is using and start over with a new account.

He did not replace the bad cards he tried to sell wardwrick so why do you think he would replace the cards he sold you?

Just about everyone selling anything "slightly questionable" on this forum does exactly that.  That's how it is here.  You can also (as you know) buy or sell accounts at will.  How does anyone even know if you're the same person you were 3 days ago?  This forum is like the wild west.  There have been DOZENS of Starbucks sellers here and 99% of them have disappeared at the first sign of a bad card (I've been scammed twice so far).  Usually the seller gets screwed by his "supplier", yet another anonymous person from the middle of nowhere and then he (the seller) disappears.
You can buy accounts here however if you do then you are risking the purchase price of the account if you only use the account to scam.
If he wants to be reputable then he should use a supplier (assuming he has one, and assuming that he is not just an alt of all the other people who abandoned their accounts) that he has vetted to be legit.
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ANYONE (including myself) who buys $100 worth of product for $20-$35 is either totally stupid or very naive if he thinks they are actually legit.  It's a gamble just like a casino.
It is a gamble however the OP is not passing it off as a gamble, he is passing it off as a sure thing. BTW it is a gamble with very unknown odds.
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BY THE WAY, THE OP IS 100% CORRECT.  If the card is **BAD** you can't look at the existing balance, you get the "OOOPS Something has gone wrong" message and the card can't be displayed.  If you can look at the balance of the card then the card itself is still "good" but the balance has been drained by SOMEONE.
There are various things that can cause problems with a card, you are probably only describing one cause of problems. Unless you are familiar with SB's back end procedures then you cannot say for sure that is always the case
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That's exactly what happened to a $100 card I purchased from DAN9090.  I got the card at 6:30AM, added it to my account at 6:45AM and by 7:10 AM there were 2 "purchases" made for the total amount of the card and my balance was zero.  He accuses me of running to Starbucks at 7:10AM when it's 15degrees outside here and making 2 $49.00 purchases.  LOL, I was still in my underwear. 
The OP already has not replaced a set of cards that the buyer was unable to extract any value from.
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So either the BUYER cleaned out the cards **OR** the SUPPLIER cleaned out the cards after he was paid by the SELLER.  In my personal experience it wasn't the seller, it wasn't me (the BUYER), but the supplier who screwed everyone.  Unfortunately there is no possible way to prove anything because on this forum there is totally no control of anyone or anything.
Or the seller cleared out the card after he was paid. If you are going to be trading gift cards you need to do so with someone who you can trust enough not to do things like this. If you are trading with a newbie then your risks are much higher because there is no value to their account, they can abandon their account and crate another newbie account.

newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
I have a question, is someone with the card number and PIN able to cancel an order? For example would it have been possible for the OP to cancel the order then quickly place another order since he knew the card number?

It would probably be possible if they called into customer service. The activity on the codes shows that they were used once and the order was cancelled, and the balances were not credited back. At this point it's just rail birds commenting on the situation that haven't fully read the thread or know the situation.
I saw that you posted a picture where you received an email that says "you" canceled (I believe it has been established that this is just a template) the order, however is there additional information in the email that potentially has more information about that order that can be linked to the cards? For example an order number....

Here's all the proof -

http://imgur.com/de5Q9sW
http://imgur.com/XA8zJJI
http://imgur.com/KKpjUpK





Here's Quickseller's shill account and Wardrick having a conversation with themselves. Click on the first link and you will see Wardrick showing all the proof that he drained out the balances of the cards with the invoices of the payment he used on the left side. Once you use the gift cards online to purchase, the balances are credited out immediately.





I am posting about how risky it is to purchase from you which is on topic because it is both discussing the product you are selling as well as your overall level of trust.

Since you ignored my question about getting proof they were aquired via legit means I am going to assume that you did not until you correct me.

I am sure there are plenty of ways to steal gift cards and have the end result be that there is a remaining balance on the card.

Wonder why I was left with a negative trust?
1) You attacked me first of all when it was non of your business.
2) You and Wardrick and ganged up on me to twist the story of what happened and put the blame on me.
3) This dispute is over. Wardrick left me hanging with no payment and 5 cards.
4) And didn't I say to stop spamming my post lol? You have no business here if you dont intend on buying any cads from me.


edit: So far the only risk there is was with me and Wardrick and I lost money and 5 cards so why dont you go troll on him. Oh wait, you are his personal butthole licker I forgot.
sr. member
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Well i don't care , i talked to this guy and he seems pretty legit to me
And i know he will change them if they go bad
so no worries
and if for one say he does it ! it's just a small amt am putting to risk but he seems a guy of his words


While I haven't purchased from this seller yet (and I probably will shortly) and I make absolutely no accusations against him but all I can say is "That's what they ALL say."  Cards can go bad months after you get them (from my own experience) and usually by then the seller is long gone or been through 10 more ID's.  

I do agree with you 100% when you say "it's just a small amt am putting to risk" because that's how I look at it. I'm way ahead of the game so far and even with a couple losses I'm satified.  I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is the last guy that screwed me for $20 (DAN9090) under a new name!  Cheesy  (I have no idea whatsoever).

Time to go to SB for lunch!
sr. member
Activity: 437
Merit: 250
OMG! so much spoiling of OP's post
Just bought 2 cards from OP w/o Escrow
went first and he promised to replace card whenever they go bad , so yeah The seller is Legit

you do realize that he is using a throwaway account right? Once the cards start to go bad he can simply abandon the account he is using and start over with a new account.

He did not replace the bad cards he tried to sell wardwrick so why do you think he would replace the cards he sold you?

Just about everyone selling anything "slightly questionable" on this forum does exactly that.  That's how it is here.  You can also (as you know) buy or sell accounts at will.  How does anyone even know if you're the same person you were 3 days ago?  This forum is like the wild west.  There have been DOZENS of Starbucks sellers here and 99% of them have disappeared at the first sign of a bad card (I've been scammed twice so far).  Usually the seller gets screwed by his "supplier", yet another anonymous person from the middle of nowhere and then he (the seller) disappears.

ANYONE (including myself) who buys $100 worth of product for $20-$35 is either totally stupid or very naive if he thinks they are actually legit.  It's a gamble just like a casino.

BY THE WAY, THE OP IS 100% CORRECT.  If the card is **BAD** you can't look at the existing balance, you get the "OOOPS Something has gone wrong" message and the card can't be displayed.  If you can look at the balance of the card then the card itself is still "good" but the balance has been drained by SOMEONE.

That's exactly what happened to a $100 card I purchased from DAN9090.  I got the card at 6:30AM, added it to my account at 6:45AM and by 7:10 AM there were 2 "purchases" made for the total amount of the card and my balance was zero.  He accuses me of running to Starbucks at 7:10AM when it's 15degrees outside here and making 2 $49.00 purchases.  LOL, I was still in my underwear. 

So either the BUYER cleaned out the cards **OR** the SUPPLIER cleaned out the cards after he was paid by the SELLER.  In my personal experience it wasn't the seller, it wasn't me (the BUYER), but the supplier who screwed everyone.  Unfortunately there is no possible way to prove anything because on this forum there is totally no control of anyone or anything.

I look at it as "you pays your money and you takes your chances." 

legendary
Activity: 2828
Merit: 1222
Just looking for peace
OMG! so much spoiling of OP's post
Just bought 2 cards from OP w/o Escrow
went first and he promised to replace card whenever they go bad , so yeah The seller is Legit

you do realize that he is using a throwaway account right? Once the cards start to go bad he can simply abandon the account he is using and start over with a new account.

He did not replace the bad cards he tried to sell wardwrick so why do you think he would replace the cards he sold you?

Well i don't care , i talked to this guy and he seems pretty legit to me
And i know he will change them if they go bad
so no worries
and if for one say he does it ! it's just a small amt am putting to risk but he seems a guy of his words
copper member
Activity: 2926
Merit: 2348
OMG! so much spoiling of OP's post
Just bought 2 cards from OP w/o Escrow
went first and he promised to replace card whenever they go bad , so yeah The seller is Legit

you do realize that he is using a throwaway account right? Once the cards start to go bad he can simply abandon the account he is using and start over with a new account.

He did not replace the bad cards he tried to sell wardwrick so why do you think he would replace the cards he sold you?

The cards never went bad. If they went bad then the cards should have been closed and invalid. People with experience on these cards will know, unlike you. They can go look at all the screenshots on that thread to see for themselves.

Look at the screenshot below. Here is one of the card I sold to him on the 25 which was 8 days ago and is still valid with the leftover balance.
http://postimg.org/image/4usgysn21/

Now stop spamming and trolling on my post. I dont know why you come on here to post when this is clearly a thread about selling cards. If you dont want to buy cards then stop posting otherwise you are straight up spamming

edit: Wardrick is a fucking scammer

edit: Again, clear evidence you are twisting up the story to put the blame on me
I am posting about how risky it is to purchase from you which is on topic because it is both discussing the product you are selling as well as your overall level of trust.

Since you ignored my question about getting proof they were aquired via legit means I am going to assume that you did not until you correct me.

I am sure there are plenty of ways to steal gift cards and have the end result be that there is a remaining balance on the card.
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
13 cards in stock PM me
newbie
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Merit: 0
OMG! so much spoiling of OP's post
Just bought 2 cards from OP w/o Escrow
went first and he promised to replace card whenever they go bad , so yeah The seller is Legit

you do realize that he is using a throwaway account right? Once the cards start to go bad he can simply abandon the account he is using and start over with a new account.

He did not replace the bad cards he tried to sell wardwrick so why do you think he would replace the cards he sold you?

The cards never went bad. If they went bad then the cards should have been closed and invalid. People with experience on these cards will know, unlike you. They can go look at all the screenshots on that thread to see for themselves.

Look at the screenshot below. Here is one of the card I sold to him on the 25 which was 8 days ago and is still valid with the leftover balance.
http://postimg.org/image/4usgysn21/

Now stop spamming and trolling on my post. I dont know why you come on here to post when this is clearly a thread about selling cards. If you dont want to buy cards then stop posting otherwise you are straight up spamming

edit: Wardrick is a fucking scammer

edit: Again, clear evidence you are twisting up the story to put the blame on me
copper member
Activity: 2926
Merit: 2348
OMG! so much spoiling of OP's post
Just bought 2 cards from OP w/o Escrow
went first and he promised to replace card whenever they go bad , so yeah The seller is Legit

you do realize that he is using a throwaway account right? Once the cards start to go bad he can simply abandon the account he is using and start over with a new account.

He did not replace the bad cards he tried to sell wardwrick so why do you think he would replace the cards he sold you?
legendary
Activity: 2828
Merit: 1222
Just looking for peace
OMG! so much spoiling of OP's post
Just bought 2 cards from OP w/o Escrow
went first and he promised to replace card whenever they go bad , so yeah The seller is Legit
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
Not having 5 cards with $0 balances is poor inventory management on your end. You could have easily acquired 5 cards with $0 balances to resolve this.

A scam accusation is not a place for two people to discuss a dispute, it is a public place to provide evidence you were scammed and for the community to put pressure on the person scamming to reimburse the victim. If you wanted to keep the conversation between two people then you should keep the dispute off of a public forum and keep it in PM

And you know a lot about starbucks cards? That is not my poor inventory management. LOL I don't sell cards with $0 balances. Why the fuck would I keep cards with $0 balances in my inventory???
Just stop posting because at this point you are trolling and spamming

and Um hello??? original agreement was he will pay me after he use up the cards. Well he did and he did not pay me.

Answer me to my previous question to if I should open back up the thread or not because clearly you want to troll more.
If the dispute is not resolved then it should remain open. By locking the thread you are both making him look bad and yourself look good without the ability for the community to chime in. You likely locked it because you are butthurt that you were essentially proven that the cards were purchased via some illegitimate means.

You should be able to easily acquire cards with $0 balances so the fact that you do not sell them does not matter.

Your definition of "use" appears to be very liberal. He was not actually able to receive anything of value from the balance on the gift card. This was not the agreement. If anyone is willing to knowingly pay $25 for the opportunity to attempt to buy something with a stolen gift card is an idiot.

I would ask if you specifically know if the cards were purchased via legit means and if you personally verified that they were purchased legitimately prior to selling them? If not don't you think it would be smart to make a disclosure of this fact?

Not having 5 cards with $0 balances is poor inventory management on your end. You could have easily acquired 5 cards with $0 balances to resolve this.

A scam accusation is not a place for two people to discuss a dispute, it is a public place to provide evidence you were scammed and for the community to put pressure on the person scamming to reimburse the victim. If you wanted to keep the conversation between two people then you should keep the dispute off of a public forum and keep it in PM

And you know a lot about starbucks cards? That is not my poor inventory management. LOL I don't sell cards with $0 balances. Why the fuck would I keep cards with $0 balances in my inventory???
Just stop posting because at this point you are trolling and spamming

and Um hello??? original agreement was he will pay me after he use up the cards. Well he did and he did not pay me.

Answer me to my previous question to if I should open back up the thread or not because clearly you want to troll more.
If the dispute is not resolved then it should remain open. By locking the thread you are both making him look bad and yourself look good without the ability for the community to chime in. You likely locked it because you are butthurt that you were essentially proven that the cards were purchased via some illegitimate means.

You should be able to easily acquire cards with $0 balances so the fact that you do not sell them does not matter.

Your definition of "use" appears to be very liberal. He was not actually able to receive anything of value from the balance on the gift card. This was not the agreement. If anyone is willing to knowingly pay $25 for the opportunity to attempt to buy something with a stolen gift card is an idiot.

I would ask if you specifically know if the cards were purchased via legit means and if you personally verified that they were purchased legitimately prior to selling them? If not don't you think it would be smart to make a disclosure of this fact?

Just stop posting on my thread. you are spamming and this isnt going to help resolve my issue with Wardrick. Im going to ignore you since you are one of the biggest troll on this forum. Everything has been presented and discussed on my scam thread and everyone can go look for themselves and make the judgement. Even a hero member observed and left a neutral feedback because Im left hanging on my deal. If this was a newbie or someone with a lower position then he would automatically get a neg trust

I locked the thread because you with your shill accounts trolled on the thread with Wardrick. Nothing was proven that the cards were purchased via some illegitimate means.  That is your assumption. Everything you are discussing right now is discussed on that thread. The dispute isnt going to go anywhere because Wardrick is a fucking scammer and not going to pay me because of his position on this forum. At the end of the day, I am left out of my money and 5 cards.

Trust left on Wardrick by a hero member
"bitspill 0: -0 / +1(1)   2015-01-31   0.00000000   Reference   Regularly trades gift cards, "purchases" starbucks card from jamesphamm33. First claims he'll pay after he uses them to verify they work. Later claims he didn't know they were carded so he will not be paying. jamesphamm33 is out the BTC and the GCs, read reference and decide for yourself who's right."
full member
Activity: 146
Merit: 100
Not having 5 cards with $0 balances is poor inventory management on your end. You could have easily acquired 5 cards with $0 balances to resolve this.

A scam accusation is not a place for two people to discuss a dispute, it is a public place to provide evidence you were scammed and for the community to put pressure on the person scamming to reimburse the victim. If you wanted to keep the conversation between two people then you should keep the dispute off of a public forum and keep it in PM

And you know a lot about starbucks cards? That is not my poor inventory management. LOL I don't sell cards with $0 balances. Why the fuck would I keep cards with $0 balances in my inventory???
Just stop posting because at this point you are trolling and spamming

and Um hello??? original agreement was he will pay me after he use up the cards. Well he did and he did not pay me.

Answer me to my previous question to if I should open back up the thread or not because clearly you want to troll more.
If the dispute is not resolved then it should remain open. By locking the thread you are both making him look bad and yourself look good without the ability for the community to chime in. You likely locked it because you are butthurt that you were essentially proven that the cards were purchased via some illegitimate means.

You should be able to easily acquire cards with $0 balances so the fact that you do not sell them does not matter.

Your definition of "use" appears to be very liberal. He was not actually able to receive anything of value from the balance on the gift card. This was not the agreement. If anyone is willing to knowingly pay $25 for the opportunity to attempt to buy something with a stolen gift card is an idiot.

I would ask if you specifically know if the cards were purchased via legit means and if you personally verified that they were purchased legitimately prior to selling them? If not don't you think it would be smart to make a disclosure of this fact?

People aren't buying these cards blind most ppl know the deal anyways and have no problem with it. If you don't want any of the cards just leave the thread alone man. I've purchased cards on this site before and have no issues if there's a 7 day warranty common sense tells you spend the balance by the 7th day. Its a heavy discount for a reason and as long as someone understands that there should be no issue.
copper member
Activity: 2926
Merit: 2348
Not having 5 cards with $0 balances is poor inventory management on your end. You could have easily acquired 5 cards with $0 balances to resolve this.

A scam accusation is not a place for two people to discuss a dispute, it is a public place to provide evidence you were scammed and for the community to put pressure on the person scamming to reimburse the victim. If you wanted to keep the conversation between two people then you should keep the dispute off of a public forum and keep it in PM

And you know a lot about starbucks cards? That is not my poor inventory management. LOL I don't sell cards with $0 balances. Why the fuck would I keep cards with $0 balances in my inventory???
Just stop posting because at this point you are trolling and spamming

and Um hello??? original agreement was he will pay me after he use up the cards. Well he did and he did not pay me.

Answer me to my previous question to if I should open back up the thread or not because clearly you want to troll more.
If the dispute is not resolved then it should remain open. By locking the thread you are both making him look bad and yourself look good without the ability for the community to chime in. You likely locked it because you are butthurt that you were essentially proven that the cards were purchased via some illegitimate means.

You should be able to easily acquire cards with $0 balances so the fact that you do not sell them does not matter.

Your definition of "use" appears to be very liberal. He was not actually able to receive anything of value from the balance on the gift card. This was not the agreement. If anyone is willing to knowingly pay $25 for the opportunity to attempt to buy something with a stolen gift card is an idiot.

I would ask if you specifically know if the cards were purchased via legit means and if you personally verified that they were purchased legitimately prior to selling them? If not don't you think it would be smart to make a disclosure of this fact?
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