Selling accounts is wrong or right? - page 2.

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Quote from: erwin45hacked on March 05, 2015, 03:23:00 PM

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You guys should know that even if trading a bitcointalk account is forbidden, lots of people will still do it underground, people tend to violates the rules

Saying that people will do it underground makes no sense as a wrong thing is wrong. Making it legal out here does not make it right in anyway. People who want to scam or do illegal things will do it no matter what's the outcome but by imposing a law/rule may make things better.

We have a legal system in every country but still people commit a crime knowing that they will be punished. So does it mean that there should be no legal system in any country?

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Quote from: NotLambchop on March 05, 2015, 03:30:30 PM

Quote from: erwin45hacked on March 05, 2015, 03:23:00 PM

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You guys should know that even if trading a bitcointalk account is forbidden, lots of people will still do it underground, people tend to violates the rules

With theft forbidden, many people still do it. If I'm following your logic, we should legalise theft, rape, murder, etc., etc.
Condoning multiple accounts is fail, allowing accounts to be openly sold, right on the forum is just...

Quote from: NotLambchop on March 05, 2015, 03:16:56 PM

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This is why we can't have nice things.

comparing murder/rape (there is a clear victim) to selling accounts is hilarious.
anybody doing business here should always use escrow. there where also cases where people used hacked accounts to scam.

if you make a rule (selling forbidden) that you cant enforce nobody will take your other rules seriously.

i have no problems with account selling (i did it once with a hero account) because if i trade/talk to someone here i dont trust his trust/activity or post history.

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Quote from: erwin45hacked on March 05, 2015, 03:23:00 PM

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You guys should know that even if trading a bitcointalk account is forbidden, lots of people will still do it underground, people tend to violates the rules

With theft forbidden, many people still do it. If I'm following your logic, we should legalise theft, rape, murder, etc., etc.
Condoning multiple accounts is fail, allowing accounts to be openly sold, right on the forum is just...

Quote from: NotLambchop on March 05, 2015, 03:16:56 PM

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This is why we can't have nice things.

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Quote from: erikalui on March 05, 2015, 02:49:44 PM

I feel left out here because I consider selling any account illegal. People in the Digital Goods section sell their forum account, Amazon account, Phone Numbers, Email accounts, PayPal accounts and I don't know how many more accounts are being sold and bought.

I can't get why is this allowed? I have just witnessed a "Trusted" member who sold his account and the buyer was indeed a scammer who tried scamming another member with the help of the Trusted account. I don't know how many times has it happened here.

Selling Trusted PayPal accounts is the biggest blunder as the buyer can use it for money laundering and illegal things while the seller will be blamed for those deeds and it is a CRIME.

Selling bitcointalk account is not illegal as per forum rules, you can consider it immoral though. I would not fully agree as most of the time it is not to scam that people are buying accounts.

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Quote from: ajareselde on March 05, 2015, 03:04:04 PM

Quote from: erikalui on March 05, 2015, 02:49:44 PM

I feel left out here because I consider selling any account illegal. People in the Digital Goods section sell their forum account, Amazon account, Phone Numbers, Email accounts, PayPal accounts and I don't know how many more accounts are being sold and bought.

I can't get why is this allowed? I have just witnessed a "Trusted" member who sold his account and the buyer was indeed a scammer who tried scamming another member with the help of the Trusted account. I don't know how many times has it happened here.

Selling Trusted PayPal accounts is the biggest blunder as the buyer can use it for money laundering and illegal things while the seller will be blamed for those deeds and it is a CRIME.

I agree with what you are saying, but it seams that we are just a few people, and its not like we can make forum owners to change the rules because we want them to.
If its of any value, i also give my vote to no longer allow account trades of any sort, because it can be used for nothing good.

When i do bussiness with someone, i want it to be that person, and not someone that just bought that account, and selling things like paypal accounts is only going to do damage to this forum because its not only wrong, but also illegal, and this forum shouldnt support activities as shady as that.

cheers

You guys should know that even if trading a bitcointalk account is forbidden, lots of people will still do it underground, people tend to violates the rules

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Quote from: shorena on March 05, 2015, 02:56:47 PM

Quote from: erikalui on March 05, 2015, 02:49:44 PM

I feel left out here because I consider selling any account illegal. People in the Digital Goods section sell their forum account, Amazon account, Phone Numbers, Email accounts, PayPal accounts and I don't know how many more accounts are being sold and bought.

I doubt its illegal. You might violate some companies terms of service though.

Quote from: erikalui on March 05, 2015, 02:49:44 PM

I can't get why is this allowed? I have just witnessed a "Trusted" member who sold his account and the buyer was indeed a scammer who tried scamming another member with the help of the Trusted account. I don't know how many times has it happened here.

Trading bitcointalk.org accounts is allowed because a ban of those trades is considered unenforcable. It would be impossible for mods to enforce the rule, because sales would just happen elsewhere. It is however discouraged for the reason you stated. It allows someone to buy a trust rating.

Quote from: erikalui on March 05, 2015, 02:49:44 PM

Selling Trusted PayPal accounts is the biggest blunder as the buyer can use it for money laundering and illegal things while the seller will be blamed for those deeds and it is a CRIME.

Selling a "trusted" paypal account is certainly not a crime. Many things are used for money laundering and illegal things. I hear knifes are dangerous killing instruments, yet people use them daily to butter their bread. Dont jump to conclusions, I cant speak for paypal, but most bitcointalk account sales probably happen for paid signatures.

There are many cases of selling other peoples paypal accounts, many with linked bank accounts and CC , in what country is this not illegal ?
And when it comes to bitcointalk account selling just to be able to participate on a sig. campaign, dont u think the owner of the campaign would want to know to whom he is paying?

cheers

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Quote from: shorena on March 05, 2015, 02:56:47 PM

Quote from: erikalui on March 05, 2015, 02:49:44 PM

I feel left out here because I consider selling any account illegal. People in the Digital Goods section sell their forum account, Amazon account, Phone Numbers, Email accounts, PayPal accounts and I don't know how many more accounts are being sold and bought.

I doubt its illegal. You might violate some companies terms of service though.

Quote from: erikalui on March 05, 2015, 02:49:44 PM

I can't get why is this allowed? I have just witnessed a "Trusted" member who sold his account and the buyer was indeed a scammer who tried scamming another member with the help of the Trusted account. I don't know how many times has it happened here.

Trading bitcointalk.org accounts is allowed because a ban of those trades is considered unenforcable. It would be impossible for mods to enforce the rule, because sales would just happen elsewhere. It is however discouraged for the reason you stated. It allows someone to buy a trust rating.

Quote from: erikalui on March 05, 2015, 02:49:44 PM

Selling Trusted PayPal accounts is the biggest blunder as the buyer can use it for money laundering and illegal things while the seller will be blamed for those deeds and it is a CRIME.

Selling a "trusted" paypal account is certainly not a crime. Many things are used for money laundering and illegal things. I hear knifes are dangerous killing instruments, yet people use them daily to butter their bread. Dont jump to conclusions, I cant speak for paypal, but most bitcointalk account sales probably happen for paid signatures.

This is why we can't have nice things.

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Quote from: RodeoX on March 05, 2015, 03:09:04 PM

The problem for Mods is determining what is illegal, against someone's TOS, or legitimate. It would become their only job all day long. What I do is take note that an old, trusted account means nothing at all. Never trade based on trust. Satoshi's whole idea was a trust-less system.

I do think it's unethical even when it's legal. I will not sell my account, I may some day delete it, but not sell. I can only imagine why some one would pay me a few hundred bucks for it.

Hats of to you for saying this. I too will never sell my account as I believe it's not right and unethical to do so. For me, my reputation and self respect is worth more than the dollars that will be offered to me in exchange.

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#Free market

For the forum rules is not wrong but for a question of morality is not 100% right. However the unique thing that I can tell you is : use always an escrow also if you are trading with a Hero/Legendary member (and you will be safe, because it doesn't matter if he/she bought the account).

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Quote from: ajareselde on March 05, 2015, 03:04:04 PM

I agree with what you are saying, but it seams that we are just a few people, and its not like we can make forum owners to change the rules because we want them to.
If its of any value, i also give my vote to no longer allow account trades of any sort, because it can be used for nothing good.

When i do bussiness with someone, i want it to be that person, and not someone that just bought that account, and selling things like paypal accounts is only going to do damage to this forum because its not only wrong, but also illegal, and this forum shouldnt support activities as shady as that.

cheers

That's what I am trying to say. If tomorrow anybody files a complaint with PayPal, Amazon or any other website about the illegal activities going on here, it may cause the forum to be shut down. Too many illegal activities will ruin this forum which can be of help to many of us. I don't want it to happen.

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The revolution will be monetized!

The problem for Mods is determining what is illegal, against someone's TOS, or legitimate. It would become their only job all day long. What I do is take note that an old, trusted account means nothing at all. Never trade based on trust. Satoshi's whole idea was a trust-less system.

I do think it's unethical even when it's legal. I will not sell my account, I may some day delete it, but not sell. I can only imagine why some one would pay me a few hundred bucks for it.

erikalui

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Quote from: shorena on March 05, 2015, 02:56:47 PM

I doubt its illegal. You might violate some companies terms of service though.

Trading bitcointalk.org accounts is allowed because a ban of those trades is considered unenforcable. It would be impossible for mods to enforce the rule, because sales would just happen elsewhere. It is however discouraged for the reason you stated. It allows someone to buy a trust rating.

Selling a "trusted" paypal account is certainly not a crime. Many things are used for money laundering and illegal things. I hear knifes are dangerous killing instruments, yet people use them daily to butter their bread. Dont jump to conclusions, I cant speak for paypal, but most bitcointalk account sales probably happen for paid signatures.

@bold: I meant Verified PayPal account. I am not jumping to conclusions dear but accounts which are verified and sold, can easily be used for Money Laundering purposes.

And about Knives being used to butter a bread and that being compared to buying an account? LOL

One may use a knife to commit a crime but in that case, the company or brand who manufactured the knife or sold the knife is not blamed. In the case of an account, the person who originally owns the account is blamed if the buyer is a fraud.

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Quote from: erikalui on March 05, 2015, 02:49:44 PM

I feel left out here because I consider selling any account illegal. People in the Digital Goods section sell their forum account, Amazon account, Phone Numbers, Email accounts, PayPal accounts and I don't know how many more accounts are being sold and bought.

I can't get why is this allowed? I have just witnessed a "Trusted" member who sold his account and the buyer was indeed a scammer who tried scamming another member with the help of the Trusted account. I don't know how many times has it happened here.

Selling Trusted PayPal accounts is the biggest blunder as the buyer can use it for money laundering and illegal things while the seller will be blamed for those deeds and it is a CRIME.

I agree with what you are saying, but it seams that we are just a few people, and its not like we can make forum owners to change the rules because we want them to.
If its of any value, i also give my vote to no longer allow account trades of any sort, because it can be used for nothing good.

When i do bussiness with someone, i want it to be that person, and not someone that just bought that account, and selling things like paypal accounts is only going to do damage to this forum because its not only wrong, but also illegal, and this forum shouldnt support activities as shady as that.

cheers

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No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: erikalui on March 05, 2015, 02:49:44 PM

I feel left out here because I consider selling any account illegal. People in the Digital Goods section sell their forum account, Amazon account, Phone Numbers, Email accounts, PayPal accounts and I don't know how many more accounts are being sold and bought.

I doubt its illegal. You might violate some companies terms of service though.

Quote from: erikalui on March 05, 2015, 02:49:44 PM

I can't get why is this allowed? I have just witnessed a "Trusted" member who sold his account and the buyer was indeed a scammer who tried scamming another member with the help of the Trusted account. I don't know how many times has it happened here.

Trading bitcointalk.org accounts is allowed because a ban of those trades is considered unenforcable. It would be impossible for mods to enforce the rule, because sales would just happen elsewhere. It is however discouraged for the reason you stated. It allows someone to buy a trust rating.

Quote from: erikalui on March 05, 2015, 02:49:44 PM

Selling Trusted PayPal accounts is the biggest blunder as the buyer can use it for money laundering and illegal things while the seller will be blamed for those deeds and it is a CRIME.

Selling a "trusted" paypal account is certainly not a crime. Many things are used for money laundering and illegal things. I hear knifes are dangerous killing instruments, yet people use them daily to butter their bread. Dont jump to conclusions, I cant speak for paypal, but most bitcointalk account sales probably happen for paid signatures.

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What statute does this violate?

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I feel left out here because I consider selling any account illegal. People in the Digital Goods section sell their forum account, Amazon account, Phone Numbers, Email accounts, PayPal accounts and I don't know how many more accounts are being sold and bought.

I can't get why is this allowed? I have just witnessed a "Trusted" member who sold his account and the buyer was indeed a scammer who tried scamming another member with the help of the Trusted account. I don't know how many times has it happened here.

Selling Trusted PayPal accounts is the biggest blunder as the buyer can use it for money laundering and illegal things while the seller will be blamed for those deeds and it is a CRIME.

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