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Quote from: btc78 on November 14, 2023, 06:06:37 PM

some countries won’t open their borders in fear of being bombarded by israel

The only border Gaza has is Rafah which is controlled by Egypt, Israel can't drop a fly on Egypt let alone bombs, but Egyptians made their official statements clear, they won't let 2 million people from Gaza enter Egypt, because that's exactly what Israel wants, they want to send every Paletstian out of Gaza so they can control it forever, besides, this isn't an issue that Egypt needs to deal with, if the Israelis want to wipe out Hamas and they want every civilian out of Gaza, they could send them north / east into Israel.

Quote from: Gyfts on November 03, 2023, 01:00:30 PM

Hamas will steal resources given to the Palestinian people in order to use for their benefit.

Well, assuming they do not end up burning due to direct airstrikes from Israel, your theory remains but an assumption.

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singapore just offered their medical team and a humanitarian aid to gaza the thing is some donations can’t fully enter gaza some countries won’t open their borders in fear of being bombarded by israel or being involved in the conflict it should’ve been a simple humanity issue but politics will always be involved so some countries can only do the bare minimum

there’s lots of things that palestinians need one of these is food yet there’s also scarcity in that the best thing to do right now is to have a ceasefire which majority of the UN has voted for

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Quote from: paxmao on November 03, 2023, 10:06:27 AM

This is not a pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian post, this is a pro-humanitarian post.

That is the right thing to do but which country is going to do that? Many countries openly support what Israel is doing is right and they refuse to allow even small groups and warned this will trigger wars into other borders so everyone keeps their mouth shut and only innocent people in social media is trying to show what people in Gaza going through for someone's mistake.

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Quote from: paxmao on November 03, 2023, 10:06:27 AM

This is not a pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian post, this is a pro-humanitarian post. I am not taking a party and what I write here is just a practical concern on people, whoever they are.

it saddens my heart to see how much the value we place on human lives have dropped this low and we are still taking side in this whole massacre of a thing. I have experience some tiny conflict in my local community while growing up and I know how it disorganised me and the trauma it gave me and to know that what this war has caused people and families is 5000 times whatever I felt shocks me to my bone

And the sad thing is that the world is just watching this whole stuff on TVs and social media as if it is an horror movie while lives continue going down as the war continues. Indeed this is very sad.

I know hen it comes to international wars like this, the supper nations are in the best position to solicit for a cease fire but we are facing a situation where most of them are playing politics with peoples lives and will keep quiet to defend there pride rather than make statement than has high potential of bringing this war to an end.

I weap for the innocent chilren and persons who are dying daily in this war.

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Quote from: alani123 on November 03, 2023, 01:07:38 PM

Israel is never going to allow this, sadly. And the U.S. along with much of the west are turning a blind eye to brazen genocide. Israel is an occupying force for Gaza, having boxed in all of its civilians, controlling everything that goes in and out. They even control the maritime border Gaza has, effectively treating it as theirs. Gaza could surely use a ship hospital, but when Israel is bombing hospitals and refugee camps in the ground, I doubt they'd clear a ship for docking to gaza, hospital ship or anything...

It's a very dire situation sadly. What should happen is that there should be a ceasefire with immediate effect. But instead Israel keeps pounding Palestinian civilians with bombs.

Thats it really. The world in general is turning a blind eye on what is happening in Gaza,
it always has, otherwise we wouldnt be having this conversation.

Israel would be too skeptical of Hospital Ships entering the area to provide medical aid.

Also consider the logistics of getting the injured from Gaza to the ships while
Israel is bombing the area.

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Quote from: Hispo on November 03, 2023, 09:54:14 PM

Being realistic, at the point and the fact Israel has taken this war as seriously as they have in these lastest weeks I would not be surprised if Israel already imposed some kind of naval blockade on the Gaza coast, in order to try to prevent terrorists to escape or even to block the entrance of more weapons into the strip, which undoubtly would be used against them.
This has already been a bloody and savage land operation with all the dead and destruction one could have expected to see from a war, Gaza and Hamas does not have naval capabilities and Israel could also argue those hospital vessels could be used by Hamas to either treat their combatants or to flee the strip easier, dressed up as civilians.
Let us see if anyone in a position of power has this idea, it is worth trying for the sake of the innocent.

its getting serious that its horrible to see the images of the destruction of a city.
Israel knew they are in the losing side especially in that region where they are surrounded by the united Muslims. this is why this war will not be stopped despite the UN vote US against the world.

just imagine how desperate they could be and its now or never for Israel otherwise they are the ones gonna be wiped out. Especially if US will not back them out anymore.

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Being realistic, at the point and the fact Israel has taken this war as seriously as they have in these lastest weeks I would not be surprised if Israel already imposed some kind of naval blockade on the Gaza coast, in order to try to prevent terrorists to escape or even to block the entrance of more weapons into the strip, which undoubtly would be used against them.
This has already been a bloody and savage land operation with all the dead and destruction one could have expected to see from a war, Gaza and Hamas does not have naval capabilities and Israel could also argue those hospital vessels could be used by Hamas to either treat their combatants or to flee the strip easier, dressed up as civilians.
Let us see if anyone in a position of power has this idea, it is worth trying for the sake of the innocent.

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Quote from: OgNasty on November 03, 2023, 07:01:39 PM

More than hospitals I think the people need basic supplies. Food and water might be things we take for granted but I promise you the people in Gaza don’t. They’re having to rob and kill for food and water right now. It’s something that everyone should have sympathy for. Nobody on this earth should starve today.

The problem is that Israel says that those supplies will be used by Hamas, so they do not allow a normal supply, not even a really minimal one. However, having hospital ships (a few nations have some type of these, large or small) does not allow for Hamas to use or retain supplies for their own use, so there is not an issue of possible use for military purposes. Also, the people in the ships are much more controlled that in camps.

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More than hospitals I think the people need basic supplies. Food and water might be things we take for granted but I promise you the people in Gaza don’t. They’re having to rob and kill for food and water right now. It’s something that everyone should have sympathy for. Nobody on this earth should starve today.

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Israel is never going to allow this, sadly. And the U.S. along with much of the west are turning a blind eye to brazen genocide. Israel is an occupying force for Gaza, having boxed in all of its civilians, controlling everything that goes in and out. They even control the maritime border Gaza has, effectively treating it as theirs. Gaza could surely use a ship hospital, but when Israel is bombing hospitals and refugee camps in the ground, I doubt they'd clear a ship for docking to gaza, hospital ship or anything...

It's a very dire situation sadly. What should happen is that there should be a ceasefire with immediate effect. But instead Israel keeps pounding Palestinian civilians with bombs.

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Hospital ships may be a good plan, if they could be guaranteed safety. Hamas will steal resources given to the Palestinian people in order to use for their benefit. If the ships are ran by some NGO or human rights organization, medical aid could be targeted towards civilians.

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The problem is that countries do not have such ships, except USA & China navy. And USA & China navy is not very interested in Palestinian civilian medical care, because I do not think that Palestinians know English/Chinese language. How can doctors speak with patients ?

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who is sending the hospital ship? since the war continues, no country will really go there to risk their people while this ship can be bombed as well. but Egypt is already opening its borders to make way for those refugees. now that refugees will be going there, Gaza will really be wiped out. if intelligence says some Hamas went to Egypt, the possibility of bombing Egypt is high.

despite the destruction and children killed, there are 12 countries that are against the UN humanitarian truce.

Quote from: https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142847

This followed failures for unity at the Council, last week. A Russian-led draft resolution calling for an “immediate humanitarian ceasefire” was voted down last Monday and the following Wednesday, the US vetoed a Brazilian-led text that urged “humanitarian pauses” to deliver aid to millions in the Gaza Strip.

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Quote from: paxmao on November 03, 2023, 10:06:27 AM

This is not a pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian post, this is a pro-humanitarian post. I am not taking a party and what I write here is just a practical concern on people, whoever they are. In the current situation, medical facilities in Gaza cannot deliver the services that people who are ill or injured require. Israel is unlikely to allow a flow of medical supplies since these could potentially be used by Hamas (I am not here to judge how good this argument is).

There is however no reason why hospital ships could not be used to care for children, pregnant women, old people and others that require special attention. Even men and women in general.

Well, no matter the reason for the conflict between the two countries I believe that human rights need to be protected as it is never justified for an unarmed civilian to be slaughtered in cold blood.

When war of this nature happens it's always the innocent ones that suffers the outcome of it. Alot of Israelis and palestinians in Gaza have been slain so far in this war so continues attack on each of these countries will still lead to more innocent civilians being killed. They should rather resolve their differences in dialogue rather than continues attack on each other.

No matter the level of provocation that the Hamas in Gaza have put Israel into, i think Israel should consider the innocent palestinian who are suffering severely for something they ain't involved in, they should allow medical care, foods and shelter to be given to the palestinian in Gaza as their is no justification to deny unarmed civilian access to medical care, food and shelter.

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This is not a pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian post, this is a pro-humanitarian post. I am not taking a party and what I write here is just a practical concern on people, whoever they are. In the current situation, medical facilities in Gaza cannot deliver the services that people who are ill or injured require. Israel is unlikely to allow a flow of medical supplies since these could potentially be used by Hamas (I am not here to judge how good this argument is).

There is however no reason why hospital ships could not be used to care for children, pregnant women, old people and others that require special attention. Even men and women in general.

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