Sent BTC: Binance to Trezor- Completed status however no coins

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 19, 2021, 12:31:13 PM

I think OP is just a troll or he is asking fake questions like many members this days.
I asked him to post address or transaction ID so we can know more how to help him, but he just ignored my question and wrote some new nonsense.

I believe it was trolling too and likely the OP is a fake question. But this should not be as a result of not posting here the txid or the address because it is privacy depriving. But its posts are not coherent with one another. What we thought from the OP that would be its account was later turned to be another person's account. Also implied to send to bech32 address but implying Binance customer care said it was network selection issue or something. Those are truly inaccurate.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 19, 2021, 12:31:13 PM

Quote from: nc50lc on December 18, 2021, 11:35:11 PM

Your address is bech32 so the pretense that it was "sent to different network" doesn't make sense.
That address type is native only in Bitcoin, not used or compatible in any other networks.

I think OP is just a troll or he is asking fake questions like many members this days.
I asked him to post address or transaction ID so we can know more how to help him, but he just ignored my question and wrote some new nonsense.

Seems like he is talking on behalf of someone who asked to help him out. He looks intelligent enough to understand many elements in the case so i don't expect him to be someone who is holding his savings in someone else account.
From another side, i doubt why he first told that he lost all his savings and ignore requests to provide transaction info.

Indeed, i can't see the reason why should anybody posting nonsenses.

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 18, 2021, 10:23:23 AM

I'm not familiair with Binance's own made-up chains (which look like exit scams waiting to happen), but I'm pretty sure there will be a block explorer for it.
However, Binance's "internal transaction ID" might be different. When I make a (real!) Bitcoin withdrawal from Binance, it shows a link to a block explorer. Just clicking it is enough to lookup the transaction.

Binance have cloned their own version of explorer for binance chain that looks the same as etherscan, and it is called bscscan.com.
It's known fact that few nodes for this ''blockchain'' is operated by CZ and his friends and investors, and transactions can be reverted whenever they want.
Result is Zero Decentralization.

Quote from: nc50lc on December 18, 2021, 11:35:11 PM

Your address is bech32 so the pretense that it was "sent to different network" doesn't make sense.
That address type is native only in Bitcoin, not used or compatible in any other networks.

I think OP is just a troll or he is asking fake questions like many members this days.
I asked him to post address or transaction ID so we can know more how to help him, but he just ignored my question and wrote some new nonsense.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on December 19, 2021, 04:58:07 AM

I asked the same questions of why people are still using Coinbase given they employ people who are complicit in torture and other human rights abuse. These are the companies which we are supporting, helping to grow and dominate this space, and become the public image of bitcoin and cryptocurrency. Absolutely disgusting.

And yet, the same people who use Binance, promote decentralization and may start quarreling in Twitter of which crypto has better properties while they already misuse it! Honestly, I don't know with what to be more disgusted with; those administrators or human nature generally...

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on December 19, 2021, 04:58:07 AM

There is very little difference between this and Ver trying to confuse newbies in to buying Bcash on his scam website.

Exactly and I'd say the latter is better. It's much easier to distinguish a cunning propaganda such as Ver's in contrast with the most recognized exchange's misleadingness. Who knows how many cryptocurrency newcomers have already understood the basics incorrectly such as this guy? - #msg58738656

I'll be damned if the investors knew what's the purpose of BNB...

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on December 18, 2021, 05:17:48 PM

They give the user tokens that are generated out of the thin air without telling them that's not bitcoin.

Unbelievable. The more I learn about centralized exchanges the more I am disgusted and the more I am amazed that the community continue to support them and enable this predatory behavior. Why are people still using Binance when they charge such insane fees, and use those insane fees to set up systems like this one purposefully designed to confuse and steal money from newbies? There is very little difference between this and Ver trying to confuse newbies in to buying Bcash on his scam website. I asked the same questions of why people are still using Coinbase given they employ people who are complicit in torture and other human rights abuse. These are the companies which we are supporting, helping to grow and dominate this space, and become the public image of bitcoin and cryptocurrency. Absolutely disgusting.

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on December 18, 2021, 05:17:48 PM

As I already said, sending bitcoin on a wrong chain is possible only if you use ERC20 or BSC networks.

So it seems either OP has provided an incorrect address or the person withdrawing the bitcoin has made a mistake or is trying to scam him.

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Quote from: jeremyanalytics on December 18, 2021, 09:58:43 AM

-snip- I am in the process of finding out what Network they selected.

Your address is bech32 so the pretense that it was "sent to different network" doesn't make sense.
That address type is native only in Bitcoin, not used or compatible in any other networks.

If it's from someone else's Binance account, you might have to start the process of finding out if he's scamming you instead.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on December 18, 2021, 04:47:48 PM

.........all automatically and in the background without giving a warning explaining what is going on?

Yes.
They give the user tokens that are generated out of the thin air without telling them that's not bitcoin.
See their guide on how to withdraw from binance.
They don't say anything about the difference between networks at all.

The only warning is:

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on December 18, 2021, 04:47:48 PM

And let's not touch on the fact that Binance are still charging 50,000 sats for a transaction which costs them a few hundred.

That's also a means of encouraging people to use their fake networks.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on December 18, 2021, 04:47:48 PM

So you are saying that provided OP's friend definitely gave a bitcoin address to Binance, it would have been impossible for him to withdraw to one of the other networks?

Yes.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on December 18, 2021, 04:47:48 PM

So why then in OP's first post does he say Binance said coins were withdrawn on the wrong network?

That can't be true.

To make sure about this, I just selected BSC network and entered a bitcoin address.

The network was automatically changed to BTC.

As I already said, sending bitcoin on a wrong chain is possible only if you use ERC20 or BSC networks. Because they have same address format.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on December 18, 2021, 03:28:45 PM

-snip-

Wow. So if you select one of the fake networks to withdraw on, Binance will automatically sell your bitcoin, use the proceeds to buy a fake token, and then let you withdraw that, all automatically and in the background without giving a warning explaining what is going on? As far as I am concerned, that is a scam. And let's not touch on the fact that Binance are still charging 50,000 sats for a transaction which costs them a few hundred. Roll Eyes

So you are saying that provided OP's friend definitely gave a bitcoin address to Binance, it would have been impossible for him to withdraw to one of the other networks? So why then in OP's first post does he say Binance said coins were withdrawn on the wrong network?

OP, can you share the address and transaction ID?

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on December 18, 2021, 12:05:38 PM

Sending bitcoin to a wrong chain is possible only when dealing with BSC and ERC20 networks.

This is absolutely right but having the seed phrase can still be a perfect option for recovery, because importing ethereum wallet seed phrase on the BSC supported wallet will make it possible for the person to be able to spend the coin. But the worst case would be when someone send it on BSC network to a custodial wallet or custodial exchange that does not support BSC thinking it is ERC20. Possibly many people would have lost their coin just this way.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on December 18, 2021, 03:02:05 PM

Then why do they even offer those options? If, when withdrawing bitcoin you can only withdraw it using the bitcoin network and not with their made up shitcoin networks, then why even show the made up shitcoin networks if not to deliberately confuse people?

This will actually confuse newbies that do not know much about bitcoin and altcoins. The ERC20 are for altcoins like wBTC, RenBTC and others like that on ERC20 networks, while BEP2 (binance chain) is also similar. But I do not know the reason for binance smart chain, BSC (BEP20) other than reduced transaction fee, but which many people would have lost their coins by sending on BSC to another custodial wallet or custodial exchange thinking it is ERC20. And nevertheless, they are not bitcoin, they are actually all altcoins just like you are implying but pegged with bitcoin (they are fake bitcoins).

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on December 18, 2021, 03:02:05 PM

If, when withdrawing bitcoin you can only withdraw it using the bitcoin network and not with their made up shitcoin networks, then why even show the made up shitcoin networks if not to deliberately confuse people?

They allow users to withdraw bitcoin on any of available networks.

When you buy bitcoin on binance, you buy bitcoin. It's not that you can buy real bitcoin, ERC20 bitcoin, BSC bitcoin, etc. There's only one option when buying bitcoin.
When you withdraw bitcoin, there are four networks. One of them is BTC and the other three one are their fake coins.

If you select BSC, BNB or ETH as the network and enter a bitcoin address, due to the difference in addresses format, you cannot withdraw.

Look at the image below.
It shows how they deceive people to use their fake coins.

Many people prefer to withdraw fake coins instead of bitcoin without knowing they won't receive real bitcoin.
They think in this way they can get discount for withdrawal fee. So, they create a wallet supporting those shitcoins and make a withdrawal to that.

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Could this also be a BTC/Bcash mix up?

Quote from: jeremyanalytics on December 18, 2021, 10:19:13 AM

so just to clarify; you all are saying that if a TxID is produced, then regardless of what network it was sent on then it will always be available to be searched on Blockchain explorer?

It will be able to be searched on a blockchain explorer, but not a bitcoin blockchain explorer. You'll need to identify exactly what network it was sent over and then look up the transaction on a blockchain explorer specific for that network.

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on December 18, 2021, 12:05:38 PM

Sending bitcoin to a wrong chain is possible only when dealing with BSC and ERC20 networks.

Then why do they even offer those options? If, when withdrawing bitcoin you can only withdraw it using the bitcoin network and not with their made up shitcoin networks, then why even show the made up shitcoin networks if not to deliberately confuse people?

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Sending bitcoin to a wrong chain is possible only when dealing with BSC and ERC20 networks.
Addresses on binance Chain start with bnb. Addresses on ethereum network (ERC20) and addresses on Binance Smart Chain (BSC) start with 0x.

Since the transaction has been made to an address starting with bc1 (a real bitcoin address), it's impossible that the transaction has been made on a wrong chain.
In the case of using a wrong chain, you should get an error.

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Quote from: jeremyanalytics on December 18, 2021, 09:01:47 AM

they sent the BTC on the wrong network and Binance cannot recover the coins.

A lot of weird things is happening with every service rendered by Binance first it was their CMC that got hacked twice this year and now sending a transaction to the wrong network is the new one.
To get to the bottom of this, What is the network the transaction is sent to? Where's the tx ID?

Or else there's no way to find a solution to the issue.

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 18, 2021, 10:51:30 AM

Quote from: Charles-Tim on December 18, 2021, 10:08:43 AM

I wonder why binance put BEP2 and BEP20 above Bitcoin Chain.

I'd say the scenario above explains it. Did I mention it's an exit scam waiting to happen?

I must admit you may be right. This is the kind of situation where you benefit from someone's carelessness. Or you just wait for someone's mistake - and sooner or later it happens.

I would say it is similar to all that 'privacy statement pop-ups', which no-one reads and just click next, next, confirm.

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Allow me to combine those 2 posts:

Quote from: jeremyanalytics on December 18, 2021, 09:01:47 AM

they sent the BTC on the wrong network and Binance cannot recover the coins.

Quote from: DaveF on December 18, 2021, 10:40:11 AM

But if they did not send it on the BTC network then the coins are probably lost forever.

If that's the excuse Binance uses, it's utter BS! Binance made up their own tokens that they sell as "equivalent" for real Bitcoin. Binance owns the real Bitcoin, and they can do as they please with it. If coins are "lost" on their own chain, that doesn't mean the real Bitcoin it lost, it means Binance takes ownership of the equivalent amount of real Bitcoin!

Quote from: Charles-Tim on December 18, 2021, 10:08:43 AM

I wonder why binance put BEP2 and BEP20 above Bitcoin Chain.

I'd say the scenario above explains it. Did I mention it's an exit scam waiting to happen?

Quote from: satoshi on June 21, 2010, 12:48:26 PM

Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone.

Lost "wrapped Bitcoins" are a donation to Binance.

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If you can get the TXID and it's not on the BTC network here are some explorers for the other chains:

Binance Smart Chain Explorer (bsc) = https://bscscan.com/
Binance Chain (BEP2) Explorer = https://binance.mintscan.io/

As others have stated without the TXID or even knowing what chain they sent it on you don't know if the other people ever really sent it.
But if they did not send it on the BTC network then the coins are probably lost forever.

-Dave

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I'm not familiair with Binance's own made-up chains (which look like exit scams waiting to happen), but I'm pretty sure there will be a block explorer for it.
However, Binance's "internal transaction ID" might be different. When I make a (real!) Bitcoin withdrawal from Binance, it shows a link to a block explorer. Just clicking it is enough to lookup the transaction.

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Pardon my ignorance and appreciate the help and patience with me... so just to clarify; you all are saying that if a TxID is produced, then regardless of what network it was sent on then it will always be available to be searched on Blockchain explorer?

I was under the impression that due to the incorrect Network choice that the TxID is simply a Binance generated ID that hasnt been accepted onto Blockchain as the address it was going to was not part of the Network it was sent to?

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 18, 2021, 10:02:35 AM

Binance loves confusing people, so they chose their own made-up tokens instead of real Bitcoins. However, if you say it's send on the BTC network, and it's going to a bc1-address, it sounds all okay to me.

I have posted this before I deleted it, but I think its in accordance to what you meant

Quote from: jeremyanalytics on December 18, 2021, 09:01:47 AM

Few days later Binance sent a notification to the sender advising them that they sent the BTC on the wrong network and Binance cannot recover the coins.

There are 4 networks you can send bitcoin to on binance:

3. The bitcoin
4. ERC20
2. Binance Smart Chain, BSC (BEP20)
1. Binance Chain (BEP2)

But know that the 'bitcoin network' is the original, all others are not actually bitcoin because they are not using bitcoin blockchain but just pegged with bitcoin.

Which one of the four did you send the coin to?

On binance, I hope the sender clicked on wallet -> spot -> and on a 'book-like with a clock' icon at the upper right side that will take you to the history -> then clicking on withdrawal. The withdrawal transaction history will be seen and the txid and the address involved can be seen there. Check is the address is correct with yours.

If you send to the right address that you owned. You will still be able to recover back you fund. But you will have to use a wallet that is compatible with the chain used to connect to Trezor if not appearing.

I will advice you to send directly to bitcoin addresses next time (addresses that start from 1, 3 or bc1) directly instead of others that are not actually bitcoin chain. I wonder why binance put BEP2 and BEP20 above Bitcoin Chain.

But I deleted it when jeremyanalytics mentioned it is bc1 address. It is true that Binance is making it confusing.

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Binance loves confusing people, so they chose their own made-up tokens instead of real Bitcoins. However, if you say it's send on the BTC network, and it's going to a bc1-address, it sounds all okay to me.

What I'm wondering about now is: if it's all your savings, how did it end up on what sounds like someone else's Binance account? Any chance that person is trying to screw you over?

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