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April 05, 2015, 01:14:22 PM
#34
I've seen mouse pad with this https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bigbitmine-358121 picture, kind of mouse pad where boobs of this anime girl were made of silicon jelly and you can rest your wrist on them.

And you seriously think there's nothing wrong with that? That certainly is a shop I won't visit again. They just lost a customer.
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April 05, 2015, 12:48:54 PM
#33
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naked people have nothing to do with bitcoin or bitcointalk.org, bosses don't like naked people.

Well we got some threads going on in the forum that contain NSFW content; specifically non-sexual nudity (thus non-pornographic). I was just implying when people state that Nudity=Porn they're wrong. Non-sexually explicit nudity is not porn.

In the case of avatars fine... No NSFW stuff; that I concur with.

Well, you may think like that but you can't make everybody think like you do. Different people see contents at different level and hence, what is not NSFW for you maybe NSFW for another person.

After all, you went away from basic: "Not suitable or safe for work".

That's right. The example you've been talking about (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bigbitmine-358121) is IMO completely safe. If the girl was naked, sure, but she isn't, and on top of that she isn't real, it's just a drawing. You can stumble upon much more exposed ladies when googling for important stuff at work, why aren't you worried about that. Also, if your boss is unhappy when he sees a drawing of a busty girl in a swimsuit there's something wrong with him, not the picture.

I may not care; but, a g/f of mine just saw the picture and told me it looks like a pedo's cartoon girl.  Huh Shocked Not sure if she maybe right, but i thinks it's something to reflect on.  Shocked
I've seen mouse pad with this https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bigbitmine-358121 picture, kind of mouse pad where boobs of this anime girl were made of silicon jelly and you can rest your wrist on them. And people in that shop commented that it is funny idea, nobody said anything about it is being pedo or NSFL related. So I think you guys are being paranoid here and this avatar hunt is starting to resemble with hunts. Just stop that. We will see a clear limit of stupid avatar someday - this is not the one.
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April 05, 2015, 11:50:30 AM
#32
That's right. The example you've been talking about (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bigbitmine-358121) is IMO completely safe. If the girl was naked, sure, but she isn't, and on top of that she isn't real, it's just a drawing.

Cartoons are also included in NSFW and how do you know it isn't real? What if an artist drew by looking a woman? What if it was converted to a cartoon image using a software? IMHO it is an NSFW content.

You can stumble upon much more exposed ladies when googling for important stuff at work, why aren't you worried about that. Also, if your boss is unhappy when he sees a drawing of a busty girl in a swimsuit there's something wrong with him, not the picture.

You do realise there are a lot of types of swimsuits. Like I said, "NSFW" will be different for different persons.

I may not care; but, a g/f of mine just saw the picture and told me it looks like a pedo's cartoon girlHuh Shocked Not sure if she maybe right, but i thinks it's something to reflect on.  Shocked

+1. Probably right.
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April 05, 2015, 08:19:30 AM
#31
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naked people have nothing to do with bitcoin or bitcointalk.org, bosses don't like naked people.

Well we got some threads going on in the forum that contain NSFW content; specifically non-sexual nudity (thus non-pornographic). I was just implying when people state that Nudity=Porn they're wrong. Non-sexually explicit nudity is not porn.

In the case of avatars fine... No NSFW stuff; that I concur with.

Well, you may think like that but you can't make everybody think like you do. Different people see contents at different level and hence, what is not NSFW for you maybe NSFW for another person.

After all, you went away from basic: "Not suitable or safe for work".

That's right. The example you've been talking about (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bigbitmine-358121) is IMO completely safe. If the girl was naked, sure, but she isn't, and on top of that she isn't real, it's just a drawing. You can stumble upon much more exposed ladies when googling for important stuff at work, why aren't you worried about that. Also, if your boss is unhappy when he sees a drawing of a busty girl in a swimsuit there's something wrong with him, not the picture.

I may not care; but, a g/f of mine just saw the picture and told me it looks like a pedo's cartoon girl.  Huh Shocked Not sure if she maybe right, but i thinks it's something to reflect on.  Shocked
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April 05, 2015, 05:39:45 AM
#30
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1) Is nudity allowed? If so, to what extreme? To a non nsfw tag?

No.

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2) Is NSFL allowed? [NSFL = Not Safe For Life]

No.

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This profile[1] looks NSFW to me.

[1] https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bigbitmine-358121


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I am not sure what NSFL means, but I assume it is a typo.
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http://de.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NSFL

I think the same, that avatar is at the limit of "decency" and it is not safe for work. Maybe theymos can contact him (that user) or remove the avatar and change it with another one. If my boss will see that image I am sure he will not be "so happy".
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April 05, 2015, 05:33:01 AM
#29
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naked people have nothing to do with bitcoin or bitcointalk.org, bosses don't like naked people.

Well we got some threads going on in the forum that contain NSFW content; specifically non-sexual nudity (thus non-pornographic). I was just implying when people state that Nudity=Porn they're wrong. Non-sexually explicit nudity is not porn.

In the case of avatars fine... No NSFW stuff; that I concur with.

Well, you may think like that but you can't make everybody think like you do. Different people see contents at different level and hence, what is not NSFW for you maybe NSFW for another person.

After all, you went away from basic: "Not suitable or safe for work".
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April 05, 2015, 05:11:19 AM
#28

Personal Option:

1) No need for pornograpy to be on a Bitcoin forum.


Nudity =/= Porn. I don't understand why people always make this connection. People shower nude is that pornographic? People are born nude, is that pornographic?

naked people have nothing to do with bitcoin or bitcointalk.org, bosses don't like naked people.

Well we got some threads going on in the forum that contain NSFW content; specifically non-sexual nudity (thus non-pornographic). I was just implying when people state that Nudity=Porn they're wrong. Non-sexually explicit nudity is not porn.


In the case of avatars fine... No NSFW stuff; that I concur with.
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April 05, 2015, 04:48:44 AM
#27

Personal Option:

1) No need for pornograpy to be on a Bitcoin forum.


Nudity =/= Porn. I don't understand why people always make this connection. People shower nude is that pornographic? People are born nude, is that pornographic?

Wut. If you made a video of you naked in the shower, is that pornographic? If someone recorded you being born, is that pornographic? No, but its still not something your employer would want you to be passively exposed to.

tldr, naked people have nothing to do with bitcoin or bitcointalk.org, bosses don't like naked people.
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April 05, 2015, 04:33:13 AM
#26

Personal Option:

1) No need for pornograpy to be on a Bitcoin forum.


Nudity =/= Porn. I don't understand why people always make this connection. People shower nude is that pornographic? People are born nude, is that pornographic?
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April 05, 2015, 04:03:58 AM
#25
Nope, thats fine. There is not always work to do. Id rather not hide all avatars, but I could e.g. ignore the user in question. Its currently only one. I could probably just block the specific image with adblock or something similar. There are enough ways around it, I was curious about what exactly is considered NSFW though. The linked profil in question is a bit borderline IMHO as there are similar ads out there.

I guess the ignore user works fine for this. But what is acceptable will have different parameters depending on each person so sometimes it's hard to say what is 'nsfw' as like you said that avatar is borderline. I had made a suggestion in the staff forum before for a 'hide a users signature' button but maybe there could be a hide an avatar as well for those that people find nsfw or too annoying etc.
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April 05, 2015, 03:56:12 AM
#24
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I don't think, it is only a "cartoon's girl". It is not a real girl and I don't think that you can't categorize it just NSFW.


just my 2 cents.

If thats a common view here I can accept that and just stop reading from work, but I know when I scroll past that and my boss in behind me I will have problems.

Maybe turn avatars off if it's going to be a problem but won't he have a problem with you not working?

Nope, thats fine. There is not always work to do. Id rather not hide all avatars, but I could e.g. ignore the user in question. Its currently only one. I could probably just block the specific image with adblock or something similar. There are enough ways around it, I was curious about what exactly is considered NSFW though. The linked profil in question is a bit borderline IMHO as there are similar ads out there.

I can't imagine most bosses being okay with their employees browsing forums during work.

I dont want go into too much detail, but I do a variety of tasks at work. Some have downtimes and we are allowed to use the Internet access freely as long as we remember where we are (at work) and when in doubt only do what a representative of the organisation would do. Thus browsing bitcointalk.org would be no problem for most parts, but as soon as tits or penises start poping up I would get my boss in an awkward situation. I know for a fact that they would not have a problem with this personally, but there are other employees who have and we might get visitors from higher up the food chain.
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April 05, 2015, 03:54:55 AM
#23
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I don't think, it is only a "cartoon's girl". It is not a real girl and I don't think that you can't categorize it just NSFW.


just my 2 cents.

If thats a common view here I can accept that and just stop reading from work, but I know when I scroll past that and my boss in behind me I will have problems.

Maybe turn avatars off if it's going to be a problem but won't he have a problem with you not working? I can't imagine most bosses being okay with their employees browsing forums during work.
most employers allow their employees to browse the internet while on breaks/downtime. Some even don't have an issue with browing the internet as long as certain other goals are met (most likely primarily productivity), although if someone were to spend large amounts of time on a forum then an employer would probably not be very happy
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April 05, 2015, 03:51:27 AM
#22
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I don't think, it is only a "cartoon's girl". It is not a real girl and I don't think that you can't categorize it just NSFW.


just my 2 cents.

If thats a common view here I can accept that and just stop reading from work, but I know when I scroll past that and my boss in behind me I will have problems.

Maybe turn avatars off if it's going to be a problem but won't he have a problem with you not working? I can't imagine most bosses being okay with their employees browsing forums during work.

Depends what they're being used for. I used to spent a lot of time trawling excel based forums while at work, to work out how to do certain advanced things. Although what use this forum has at work, I'm not sure.
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April 05, 2015, 03:09:54 AM
#21
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I don't think, it is only a "cartoon's girl". It is not a real girl and I don't think that you can't categorize it just NSFW.


just my 2 cents.

If thats a common view here I can accept that and just stop reading from work, but I know when I scroll past that and my boss in behind me I will have problems.

Maybe turn avatars off if it's going to be a problem but won't he have a problem with you not working? I can't imagine most bosses being okay with their employees browsing forums during work.
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April 05, 2015, 03:01:18 AM
#20
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6) Is racial / sexist content allowed?

Probably.

Why?
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April 05, 2015, 02:29:13 AM
#19
The other thread is still discussing gif memes so I thought I'd start a [serious] thread. We should discuss avatar rules / conventions in advance of issues arrising. Here are some discussion points to start us off. I'll add more as they're suggested.

1) Is nudity allowed? If so, to what extreme? To a non nsfw tag?
2) Is NSFL allowed? [NSFL = Not Safe For Life]
3) Is other adult content allowed?
4) Are paid avatar campaigns allowed?
5) Is copyright content allowed? How should copyright holders request deletion of infringing content?
6) Is racial / sexist content allowed?
7) Is there a limit on 'annoyingness'?
8 ) Are 'imitation' avatars allowed? Ie wearing avatars of specific companies to give the false impression of representation.
9) How should users report those with infringing avatars?
I think:
1.2.3. No! There are children around here!
4. I think it is possible (like signatures, avatars can be ignored)
5.6. No! They are illegal in some places!
7. Yes. Very annoying avatars should be banned.
8. ...what does this means?
9. Open a thread and list those users.
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April 05, 2015, 02:26:11 AM
#18
1) Is nudity allowed? If so, to what extreme? To a non nsfw tag?
2) Is NSFL allowed? [NSFL = Not Safe For Life]
3) Is other adult content allowed?
4) Are paid avatar campaigns allowed?
5) Is copyright content allowed? How should copyright holders request deletion of infringing content?
6) Is racial / sexist content allowed?
7) Is there a limit on 'annoyingness'?
8 ) Are 'imitation' avatars allowed? Ie wearing avatars of specific companies to give the false impression of representation.
9) How should users report those with infringing avatars?


Personal Option:

1) No need for pornograpy to be on a Bitcoin forum.
2.) No need for violence or gruesome images.
3.) Female avatars should be allowed (for those immature enough to use it), but with diligence.
4.) Of course. By all means they should be monetized just as signatures are monetized. They can simply be an addition to the signature campaigns for more customization and for branding purposes.
5.) Nope. This would be illegal in some jurisdictions which the forum does not endorse or permit.
6.) That's pretty much the same as the NSFW content.
7.) Shouldn't be. As long as it's in reason.
8.) No regulation should be done on this as long as it doesn't violate copy rights.
9.) PM a mod.


If theymos feels there needs to be some moderation on avatars, he'll edit his post and enforce rules. As of now, there seems to be no noticeable issue.
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April 04, 2015, 06:28:37 PM
#17
Good questions here.

Does anybody know of DMCA case on a forum avatar? I know it could happen, but I don't think that's a concern to most copyright owners.

Normally copyright is a concern if the one committing the infraction takes monetary gain from it. I really doubt someone here would make money from using a copyrighted avatar. As you said it's possible but extremely unlikely. I've never heard of a case like that.
what could happen is that someone uses a registered (copyrighted) logo to deceive other people into thinking he represents a company. But of course in this case the main violation would be impersonation, not copyright infringements.
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April 04, 2015, 06:11:22 PM
#16
Good questions here.

Does anybody know of DMCA case on a forum avatar? I know it could happen, but I don't think that's a concern to most copyright owners.
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April 04, 2015, 06:10:03 PM
#15

Thats why I wrote NSFW. Most "NSFL" things dont seem to bother me, but - again - would bother my boss, which in turn is a problem for me.

well, NSFW are adult content and-

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3) Is other adult content allowed?

Maybe.

If I receive (or anticipate receiving) several complaints about something, it's probably too much.

-I think it's allowed as long as it doesn't draw too much attention.

fun fact  Tongue: you can disable avatars from your profile
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