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Topic: [SERVICE] Roll your own Casascius Proof-of-Age Certificate (Read 1807 times)

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What is a "certificate of authenticity" and what is it's significance? Who issues these?

It is simply a certificate that says the object you hold is authentic, and not a fake or misrepresented.

The certificate can be issued by anyone who is knowledgeable enough to tell you if the item is real or not. And then the strength of the certificate would depend on who issues it.

I don't know why time is more important than proving it is an authentic coin, straight from Mike and not loaded by someone else. You know what year is on the coin, and you can see in the blockchain when the bitcoins were sent to that address. What else matters?

The problem is counterfeiting. How do you know that the coin you are buying is genuine, short of scratching off the hologram to check the private key?

Molecular's idea is excellent because it allows a photograph to be dated. If the coin being sold matches the photograph then you know that it was in existence at the date of the photograph. This does not establish authenticity, but the older the coin the less likely to have been counterfeited.
hero member
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Are you back up yet? I am very interested in this service.
donator
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site is temporarily offline due to fire in our offices.

Whoever ordered a certificate and did not receive it, please PM me.
sr. member
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Jack of oh so many trades.
What is a "certificate of authenticity" and what is it's significance? Who issues these?

It is simply a certificate that says the object you hold is authentic, and not a fake or misrepresented.

The certificate can be issued by anyone who is knowledgeable enough to tell you if the item is real or not. And then the strength of the certificate would depend on who issues it.

I don't know why time is more important than proving it is an authentic coin, straight from Mike and not loaded by someone else. You know what year is on the coin, and you can see in the blockchain when the bitcoins were sent to that address. What else matters?
donator
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The idea with the image is that you can't counterfeit all the little scratches and imperfections that makes every coin an individual of sorts.

Does all that show up in the picture?

That depends on the quality of the picture people upload. Here's an example of a simple 300dpi scan of 0.5 BTC coin (untouched by me, directly from a fresh roll I received from Mike): http://certificates.0x0000.de/img/1217gngJgcC2PiCGB7xscVZ1yFsNgyNVQH.tif. I'm pretty sure if you show me a coin and this picture that I can tell you with good certainty wether or not the picture is of the coin.

Does a brand new coin have any recognizable scratches??

all the ones I ever scanned have discernable and many marks

It sounds more like a certificate of authenticity than anything.
I'm not playing devil's advocate here, just trying to understand the merits Smiley

What is a "certificate of authenticity" and what is it's significance? Who issues these? I'm not a coin collector, so if someone could explain how this works to me, I'd be happy. Sounds to me thats only something Mike could do and I think he will do something like this (sign with his pgp key scans of batches of coins). For old coins he can't do this, that's why he suggested to use "proof of age".

I'd say it's the proof of age that can be conducted that will potentially be valuable. The "certificate" I provide is just a nice addon you can appreciate or not.

I'm not playing devil's advocate here, just trying to understand the merits Smiley

Sure, no problem. I'm happy to explain my thoughts.
sr. member
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Jack of oh so many trades.
The idea with the image is that you can't counterfeit all the little scratches and imperfections that makes every coin an individual of sorts.

Does all that show up in the picture?
Does a brand new coin have any recognizable scratches??

It sounds more like a certificate of authenticity than anything.
I'm not playing devil's advocate here, just trying to understand the merits Smiley
donator
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just added pricing info (0.02 BTC + 0.01 for printing & mail if you want) to OP.

I totally forgot that and you can't see it on the page until you upload photos.

I guess I'll have to fix the page too to display pricing.

Thanks to the guy who PMed me about this.
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...Couldn't someone just look up the public address to see when the coin was first loaded?

I'm not sure why a separate proof-of-age would be needed.

That doesn't work because a counterfeit could have the same address printed on it as the original.

And relying on a downloaded zip file to conduct the proof in the future sounds risky. Why not just have the hash be of some text printed on the card, naming the type of coin and its address? Then the card could be locked in a safe, and in 10 years when USB drives and all optical media is extinct people can still type it in to do the check  Cheesy

Again, someone could make "a copy of the coin", a counterfeit. You proof would be valid for that counterfeit also.

The idea with the image is that you can't counterfeit all the little scratches and imperfections that makes every coin an individual of sorts.
sr. member
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Jack of oh so many trades.
...Couldn't someone just look up the public address to see when the coin was first loaded?

I'm not sure why a separate proof-of-age would be needed.

And relying on a downloaded zip file to conduct the proof in the future sounds risky. Why not just have the hash be of some text printed on the card, naming the type of coin and its address? Then the card could be locked in a safe, and in 10 years when USB drives and all optical media is extinct people can still type it in to do the check  Cheesy
donator
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This seems really cool! I should try this out soon  Smiley

Thanks Wink. Please do.
legendary
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This seems really cool! I should try this out soon  Smiley
donator
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Sounds like a very interesting way to store info on the block chain. Looks great!

It's not really stored on the blockchain, just a hash of it. But one can prove (using the info itself), that it has existed at the point in time where its hash was inserted into the blockchain.

This means one will have to safekeep the image itself (included in the download bundle.zip). Without it, you can't conduct the proof.
hero member
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WTF???
Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you get the hash into the blockchain? Just a text message on blockchain.info ?

Much simpler: I'm using the hash of the image as a bitcoin private key and sending a little bit of BTC (BTC 0.0001337 to be exact) to the corresponding bitcoin address.


So, the only way to verify the date, is reveal the private key? Simple enough, thanks.
donator
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Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you get the hash into the blockchain? Just a text message on blockchain.info ?

Much simpler: I'm using the hash of the image as a bitcoin private key and sending a little bit of BTC (BTC 0.0001337 to be exact) to the corresponding bitcoin address.
hero member
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WTF???
Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you get the hash into the blockchain? Just a text message on blockchain.info ?
b!z
legendary
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Sounds like a very interesting way to store info on the block chain. Looks great!
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I think this is very cool development, will give you some feedback once I test it!
donator
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My friend actually used this service I believe pretty cool I will buy soon for my coins probably.

Cool! Let me know how it goes.
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My friend actually used this service I believe pretty cool I will buy soon for my coins probably.
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