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member
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October 09, 2018, 02:03:05 PM
#32
The thing is mining difficulty always increases as well; so by the time btc hits 11k who knows how much exactly we gonna need to gain real profit. Anyway, with current prices it's pointless to discuss it.

Even if the difficulty doesn't catch up hard enough to eat through your profitability, the cloud miners could still choose to not pay out anything.

In the end, we're dealing with a scheme here, which means that if there isn't enough money flowing into their platform, they won't be paying, it's that simple. Their word to become profitable when the price reaches x level is worthless. It's just another attempt to trap in noobs not knowing how things work here.

Even the services that are actually mining don't pay their users with their mining rewards. People get paid with funds coming from previous investors, that's how schemes work. In other words, legit cloud miners and outright scam cloud miners are the same.

You are talking about Ponzi scheme here, but how can you prove it? I mean why do you think that all services work this way?
legendary
Activity: 2170
Merit: 1427
October 09, 2018, 06:27:15 AM
#31
The thing is mining difficulty always increases as well; so by the time btc hits 11k who knows how much exactly we gonna need to gain real profit. Anyway, with current prices it's pointless to discuss it.

Even if the difficulty doesn't catch up hard enough to eat through your profitability, the cloud miners could still choose to not pay out anything.

In the end, we're dealing with a scheme here, which means that if there isn't enough money flowing into their platform, they won't be paying, it's that simple. Their word to become profitable when the price reaches x level is worthless. It's just another attempt to trap in noobs not knowing how things work here.

Even the services that are actually mining don't pay their users with their mining rewards. People get paid with funds coming from previous investors, that's how schemes work. In other words, legit cloud miners and outright scam cloud miners are the same.
newbie
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October 09, 2018, 01:05:23 AM
#30
Agree, that's the crypto basic. Like the whole crypto market is not really profitable untill BTC is UP to about $11k for a long period of time

Hi I heard Genesis also has problems, is it true?

Yeah, all cloud mining services have difficulties now since btc rate is impossibly low for profitable mining.


It can be profitable only with really high prices, we've seen it last year.  All other time it wasn't very profitable, let's be honest, and now it's a complete mess.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 1737
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October 08, 2018, 07:33:25 AM
#29
Hi I heard Genesis also has problems, is it true?

Not exactly, Genesis customers have a problem, Genesis is doing fine.

I see that recently they have come up with another genius (for Genesis) scheme whereby customers can avoid their contracts being cancelled (and their investment vanishing) by paying upfront maintenance fees  Roll Eyes

Quote from:  Genesis blog
We would like to stress that maintenance fees are not something that Genesis Mining profits from. They represent the fixed costs required to keep the miners running with the primary expense being electricity.

Hmmm.
So, they charge $0.14 per Th/s maintenance fee.
@ 0.1J/gigahash (S9) and $0.06 electricity (Iceland), that leaves around $0.08 per day "costs" per Th/s outside of actually powering the miner, or around $1.20 a day for an S9.
So what they are saying is that one of their big mining barns, with e.g. 10,000 S9's in it, costs them $12,000 to run per day after allowing for electricity...
That's nearly 4.5 million dollars in "fixed costs" per year to operate.
And they "don't make any profit" out of that.
I wonder how those millions of dollars are allocated?
One thing's for sure, they'll never say...


jr. member
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October 08, 2018, 02:39:51 AM
#28
Hi I heard Genesis also has problems, is it true?

Yeah, all cloud mining services have difficulties now since btc rate is impossibly low for profitable mining.


It can be profitable only with really high prices, we've seen it last year.  All other time it wasn't very profitable, let's be honest, and now it's a complete mess.
newbie
Activity: 63
Merit: 0
October 07, 2018, 03:20:12 PM
#27
yup, like the whole market, I know that genesis changed contracts with no agreement w/ their customers. Liked Hashflare article on medium, it has all the answers

Hi I heard Genesis also has problems, is it true?

Genesis stopped payouts already, cloud mining is tanking and we can't change it. Only btc all mighty can Sad
newbie
Activity: 69
Merit: 0
October 05, 2018, 06:44:42 PM
#26
yup, like the whole market, I know that genesis changed contracts with no agreement w/ their customers. Liked Hashflare article on medium, it has all the answers

Hi I heard Genesis also has problems, is it true?

We have Hashflare answers but we can't raise profitability( Patience is our answer Sad
newbie
Activity: 116
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September 27, 2018, 01:05:54 AM
#25
yup, like the whole market, I know that genesis changed contracts with no agreement w/ their customers. Liked Hashflare article on medium, it has all the answers

Hi I heard Genesis also has problems, is it true?
newbie
Activity: 69
Merit: 0
September 21, 2018, 07:00:55 PM
#24
Hi I heard Genesis also has problems, is it true?

Yeah, all cloud mining services have difficulties now since btc rate is impossibly low for profitable mining.
hero member
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September 20, 2018, 03:30:20 PM
#23
Slow death
That problem, I mean mining contracts on genesis, has started some years ago, it's not something new.

I-Love-BTCD
Just google: Bitcointalk genesis mining review or this thread is probably enough too: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-alert-do-not-invest-in-genesis-mining-1185909
Get rid of them anyway, their nice words aren't so nicer in reality.
legendary
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September 20, 2018, 07:00:51 AM
#22
Hi I heard Genesis also has problems, is it true?

there are a lot of people who are complaining, it seems like this is a problem that already takes a long time

https://twitter.com/GenesisMining/status/1037677051245993984





Huh? I thought everything was solved, because strangely this was the last twitter made by them:
Yes is solved but it back to 0 profit again when bitcoin drop too much. My hashflare account already have 0 profit for about 2 or 3 weeks.
So, it still not fully solved yet.

days after your post, they posted this:

HashFlare mining suspension: reasons, aftermath and answers to questions

the situation only worsened and they said this:




newbie
Activity: 64
Merit: 0
September 20, 2018, 03:10:48 AM
#21
Hi I heard Genesis also has problems, is it true?
sr. member
Activity: 868
Merit: 259
August 30, 2018, 10:46:50 PM
#20
All cloud mining services have recently collapsed. I think that the only solution to this problem is related with green crypto mining. It will be able to solve the diminishing returns issue related to more costs and less rewards.

Theres also a sudden huge increase in hashrate again and there are some reports that total mining power is touching 60 Ehash/s. Smaller miners are being killed lol.

Having that said, the solution to the problem is to buy BTC, not mining contracts. But if theres a small miner who wants to explore other possibilities then give Proof of Capacity a try.
newbie
Activity: 73
Merit: 0
August 30, 2018, 07:23:28 PM
#19
Huh? I thought everything was solved, because strangely this was the last twitter made by them:
Yes is solved but it back to 0 profit again when bitcoin drop too much. My hashflare account already have 0 profit for about 2 or 3 weeks.
So, it still not fully solved yet.
We wont really called this thing to be solved because it would still remain unprofitable and we keep saying those things all over again and again.
I'm with those comments above about twitter they do usually make announcements but now it seems they aren't giving any word about this matter which is really very strange.
Conclusion= Any cloud mining investments wont really be worth at all.

I think now is not the best time for any mining of bitcoin, maybe sometime later the situation will stabilize, but what will happen to our contracts by that time only heaven knows

after the drop in price and increase in mining difficulty it became unprofitable, after market recovers, chances are we gonna mine well again)

legendary
Activity: 2170
Merit: 1427
August 30, 2018, 05:17:29 PM
#18
It feels like I'm wasting time trying to help people realize that.

I feel you. By the time you made one person aware of the fact that cloud mining is a shithole, a dozen of newbies have blindly entered the cloud mining space.

In the end I still believe that the best way for people to learn that cloud mining (or basically any other investment scheme) is rubbish, is to have them lose money. If you are being rewarded for doing stupid things you will never learn. In order to understand that what you did was wrong, you have to get burned, and this for most people should be a sufficient wake-up call.

The only thing with cloud mining is that the process of losing money is very slow with how services can pay users for months without any problems, so in most cases it will take a month or six for people to at least acknowledge their loss.
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1179
August 30, 2018, 10:05:40 AM
#17
I think now is not the best time for any mining of bitcoin, maybe sometime later the situation will stabilize, but what will happen to our contracts by that time only heaven knows
The only "good" time for cloud mining is when the price goes absolutely nuts like what happened last year, but that's a very short term event and only happens once every two or three years.

The situation won't ever stabilize with how the mass has jumped on the mining bandwagon. People here need to realize that the situation will only get worse and we have plenty enough historical data to back that up.

It seems that regardless of how many times we explain people that buying coins directly is the best way to move forward, they still don't get it or just don't care. It feels like I'm wasting time trying to help people realize that.
member
Activity: 308
Merit: 10
August 30, 2018, 08:30:52 AM
#16
Huh? I thought everything was solved, because strangely this was the last twitter made by them:
Yes is solved but it back to 0 profit again when bitcoin drop too much. My hashflare account already have 0 profit for about 2 or 3 weeks.
So, it still not fully solved yet.
We wont really called this thing to be solved because it would still remain unprofitable and we keep saying those things all over again and again.
I'm with those comments above about twitter they do usually make announcements but now it seems they aren't giving any word about this matter which is really very strange.
Conclusion= Any cloud mining investments wont really be worth at all.

I think now is not the best time for any mining of bitcoin, maybe sometime later the situation will stabilize, but what will happen to our contracts by that time only heaven knows
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1130
Bitcoin FTW!
August 29, 2018, 11:08:30 AM
#15
Yep, some ops do claim to own miners and some actually do, while others don't. By investing in a cloudmining contract, you're effectively offsetting the risk taken by the mining provider to you, from them buying miners and mining with them. Only the service provider actually gains from this in the end, and if you do manage to get your money out of one of these schemes, you're getting the short end of the stick.
legendary
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Merit: 1127
August 29, 2018, 09:34:57 AM
#14
All cloud mining services have recently collapsed. I think that the only solution to this problem is related with green crypto mining. It will be able to solve the diminishing returns issue related to more costs and less rewards.

There is really no solution to this.

Cloud mining itself is just purely set up for the benefit of the company running it. There is virtually no prospect for the users to make money in the long run unless you run a large affiliate network of some sort. They control everything regarding your investment once you deposit with them. As we've seen with Hashflare, they have done shady stuff such as reducing contract lengths from lifetime to 1 year and increase minimum withdrawal exponentially. All the while, you don't know if they're actually mining. Nor do they need to provide any proof of profits each day.

They can literally arbitrarily determine your payments each day, and terminate your contract if they want to. Cloud mining is essentially touted as a passive income scheme. It's the exact opposite of that.
They do actually have those miners and they do really actually do mining but the fact that once we do put our money then we do consider ourselves to be like prisoners which theres nothing we can do but to
agree on all terms or changes that they would made.On making money then theres no doubt and on all of the miners they do have even how the difficulty do rise up they do still end up to be profitable but only to the company itself and they would cut all the profits which will really be applied to investors.
hero member
Activity: 1526
Merit: 596
August 29, 2018, 03:27:52 AM
#13
All cloud mining services have recently collapsed. I think that the only solution to this problem is related with green crypto mining. It will be able to solve the diminishing returns issue related to more costs and less rewards.

There is really no solution to this.

Cloud mining itself is just purely set up for the benefit of the company running it. There is virtually no prospect for the users to make money in the long run unless you run a large affiliate network of some sort. They control everything regarding your investment once you deposit with them. As we've seen with Hashflare, they have done shady stuff such as reducing contract lengths from lifetime to 1 year and increase minimum withdrawal exponentially. All the while, you don't know if they're actually mining. Nor do they need to provide any proof of profits each day.

They can literally arbitrarily determine your payments each day, and terminate your contract if they want to. Cloud mining is essentially touted as a passive income scheme. It's the exact opposite of that.
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