Topic: Should Bitcointalk sell coin communitites a subsection of the forum (Read 1481 times)

It is their forum, they can chose to display or hide any forum they want to.

its fine the way it is

No, thats pretty much the only reason. The forums would much rather have lower traffic and better discussion. Again, its not too hard to understand, this is Bitcointalk, its primary motivation is Bitcoin, not Alt Coins, Politics, Fiat, Computer technology, etc. Those topics are just related, so whether we have a section for them or not, people are going to discuss them. Rather than delete every non Bitcoin post, each somewhat related topic has its own section so there isn't spillover into the Bitcoin related sections.


Money isn't very important at this point. Hosting is covered, new forum software is in development, any money that is collected is essentially an emergency fund. Paying out security bounties, making patches/fixes as need arises, etc. The only real solution is to have people make their own forums. Centralization is an issue, which you brought up, but what about when moderators refuse to moderate Alt Coin sections as their individual community needs? We aren't going to make new sets of rules for each section. Don't want people trashing your coin, make your own forums and make it against the rules. There is so much drama in the alt coin scene, we have very little interest in being involved.

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The only active monetization are advertisements. They are so minimally invasive, and relatively simple, there's no point in not doing them. Donations aren't being solicited, and we aren't charging for anything. The Bitcointalk admins/staff don't make the money that is collected, it is horded for future need. Even if we were greedy bastards, collection of funds doesn't help us any, so when we reach the point where any future emergency costs are stockpiled, what is the point of hoarding BTC?

Forum is already monetized enough imo. I am afraid that further attempts of selling additional 'sections' for money would have opposite effect. People would see bitcointalk admins/staff as greedy bastards who only want to make money and don't care about spreading the idea of free money and new technology. And last but not least it is primarily bitcoin forum - not altcoin. Current altcoin section is sufficient.

I don't believe this is the only reason, altcoin section is the busiest section of this whole forum, without it this forum would lose huge traffic and other beneficial things and eventually fade away. You guys certainly care about it and most of those who defend bitcoin and talk shit on other cryptos (even if they are good innovative coins) are benefiting from bitcoin and don't want to see any other crypto rise. I dare you guys to delete the alt section, you won't do it and to say people will spam the bitcoin section is simply exaggeration, most of them won't care and will go somewhere else which this forum wouldn't want.

Ok, obviously we are all 10 here. The logic you and others display is erroneous at best. This IS about BITCOIN nothing else. BWAAAHAHAHA.


Really.?!!!


I did an install of bitcoin over the weekend, it took 1.5 days to complete. Cutting edge technology at its best, right here. I guess I'm getting spoiled using other coins that load in minutes to a few hours.

But lets look at the larger picture that you hateful mods and hateful readers keep missing without ever grasping what is really happening here.

Bitcoin to the user refers to 3 things now. Protocol. Coin. and Blockchain technology. A similar comparison is band-aids. Band-aids are a brand. I don't put a plastic sterile healing strip on, I put a band-aid on. Bitcoin might be a brand but it is becoming synonymous with Blockchain.


The altcoins are not your enemy you silly bitcoiners. All altcoin users ARE bitcoin users. So, when you hate on the altcoins, you make me and others want to use bitcoin less and less. Altcoins have brought in a literal army of developers learning and creating blockchain products. With out altcoins would there be so many devs around here? These devs go from project to project sharpening their skills. And yes they also often jump back to develop for bitcoin again, but now with sharpened skills.

Altcoins help explore the what if scenerios surrounding bitcoin. Because of altcoins we know what will happen to bitcoin when all coins are mined (ixcoin), other hashing algos, anonymousness, smart contracts, etc.

But we only want these people around if they ONLY talk about bitcoin, nothing else. (WE are the bitcoin nazis, do as we say......SARCASM HERE)

The best point that was missed is that, IF communities are given their own section, it WILL help to reel them in. IE: help prevent annoying threads and behavior.

How about we act like adults, and help support each other. Or you can go the other road, dismiss altcoin communities and reinforce that you don't want us in your bitcoin community. Ok Kodack!! Ok Betamax!!! OK netscape!!! OK AOL!!! OK myspace

The extra resources would come from communities that would pay to have a sub forum. Also you are right in that it ultimately is better for communities to have their own forum. We all can see what a bad idea centralizing on btt would be. Forum hacked once again right. Down for a few days, cause there is no real backup plan.  Imagine the damage this could do to projects to have to rely on a shoty forum.

This would do the opposite of clutter. The announce section is already totally worthless and cluttered. And it could be done like this community does, no clutter here.

https://nxtforum.org/nxt-projects/

Right, I spent months fighting for the Alt subsections that exist today. Creating a vetting system for coins on an individual basis would interfere with the indifference that we have worked so hard to build 

But seriously, people are way better off with their own forums. Then you don't have to deal with someone else's rules. We don't have the resources nor desire to cater to the Alt Coin communities. Bitcointalk offers a basic board for people to make their announcement, find their community members, and then migrate to a place where they can discuss uninterrupted by others.

Which is also why lots of subforums we don't necessarily want, are required. Trying to stop the bath running by closing the bathroom door does not work, its simply going to floor the rest of your house.

It almost certainly wont happen. Bitcointalk is labeled as toxic because it doesn't care about Alt Coins one way or the other and for whatever reason, people don't like that. This is Bitcointalk, the forum's objective it to allow people a place to discuss Bitcoin related topics. People have proposed ways to "vet" coins for special privileges here to separate the longer lasting coins from the new, but as stated, the forum staff/admins don't really care to. We have been trying to encourage people to create their own communities like we have created here for Bitcoin, because we can't appropriately serve multiple niches.

Bitcointalk's indifference towards alt coins only changes to disdain when it interferes with Bitcoin discussion, which is why it was given its own section. Removing the Alt Section would just lead to people posting about alt coins in Bitcoin related boards, which would be even more annoying. 


 

Pay for a mod

1-5 sound reasonable even though I dont think this will happen. On the other hand theymos is handling the ads as well, maybe he could auction a subboard every other week for alt coins that meet certain criteria (e.g. the above).

Regarding 6, what do you mean with "the funds[...]pay for another member"?

Please no,

It will only clutter the forum, make the new topic things useless and make the ignore board option useless because every day another subsection will appear out of nowhere

1. Yes they would buy a subboard

2. A 6 month contract. Then depending on community behavior per mods renewed or not. This would create an incentive for communities to not be annoying or scammy.

3. Maybe mod rights after proven first 6 months, or just negotiable.

4.section gets locked and then deleted after x months

5. As per OP communities would have to meet a prereq before allowed to do this. Ie: be here for atleast a year plus x amount of posts.

6. I cant speak to the work load being done round here. Not sure why the funds generated for this feature wouldnt pay for another member?

Honestly, I'm agree with this idea while the contract is not permanent. Because if it's permanent, this forum will bi just full of that subsection

The altcoin section is indeed the most popular section here, at least the last time I checked. I would be surprised if the stats did change dramatically. The question is what would they buy? A subboard? Would it be a monthly fee paid in advance? Would it come with mod rights for that section? What happens if the fee is no longer paid? What if this was misused to give a scam coin an air of legitimacy? Would there be any responsibilities for theymos (et al.)?

Just from the number of questions that come up with a few moments of considering this a valid option my guess is that its not worth the (possible) hassle for theymos. The board is not in need of funds and this would increase the workload for the staff immensely.

I just want to go on record stating that I don't think their will be empty threads. Was just responding.

What kind of traffic does the altcoin section bring to BTT? I assume it is high else it would have been removed as there seem to be alot of alt haters round these parts

Boards for empty/dead threads is pointless and it won't increase ad revenue. Also, Bitcointalk doesn't need more money than it earns now.

If it's pointless,

Then their empty threads won't take up much harddrive space and the BTT wins as it gets extra revenue from hosting those empty threads. WIN WIN