Should dogs be citizens? It’s not as crazy as you think.

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Quote from: Tzupy on December 23, 2014, 05:35:56 AM

Dogs would always vote like their masters told them to, so they can't be true citizens.
OTOH cats could be citizens, they have a mind of their own. Just look at my tomcat and say he doesn't deserve to be a citizen... Cheesy

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Don't kid yourself - your cat wants to be part of the aristocracy, not a mere citizen. Wink

Anyway, your idea of dogs voting the same way their masters would reminds me of what was said of women in the past: "if you give women the right to vote, that will be unfair to unmarried men, because women will always vote the same way as their husbands or fathers".

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Dogs would always vote like their masters told them to, so they can't be true citizens.
OTOH cats could be citizens, they have a mind of their own. Just look at my tomcat and say he doesn't deserve to be a citizen... Cheesy

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I hope this law, if it becomes reality one day, will be called the Incitatus Law, in honor of the the favored horse of Roman emperor Caligula

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Quote from: Possum577 on December 22, 2014, 07:08:36 PM

Citizenship would require them the right to vote, how would they vote?

A lot of ideas...even if they aren't crazy...are not worth the time, money, and effort become reality.

By putting the two candidates equidistant from the dog, and whoever the dog comes to is their vote.

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Citizenship would require them the right to vote, how would they vote?

A lot of ideas...even if they aren't crazy...are not worth the time, money, and effort become reality.

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It's not citizenship but a court in Argentine granted basic legal rights to an orangutan from a zoo! xD They said it was a non-human person being deprived of freedom lol and this may have consequences to how other animals are treated. Is this the end for zoos? xD
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-30571577

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Quote from: exoton on December 20, 2014, 03:11:59 PM

Quote from: Agestorzrxx on December 17, 2014, 08:04:51 AM

This is ridiculous.

Right. Animals are not able to understand the issues that are voted on, and thus cannot realistically be able to vote. Also if dogs were citizens then it would be impossible to 'own' them and they would need to be 'freed' but they would have no way to "support" themselves and pay for their own food/shelter ect

Sooo... in this case can we withdraw citizenship from all ppl who "are not able to understand the issues that are voted on" and/or "have no way to "support" themselves"? Most mainstream political parties would be in deep shit.
BTW who will have the ownership of these ppl?

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Quote from: TECSHARE on December 17, 2014, 04:39:58 AM

Don't get me wrong, I think life should be protected and animals should not mistreated, but this just reeks to me as warm and fuzzy anti-human propaganda. People care more for animals than they do humans, and it is kind of sick IMO. Not that animals don't deserve to be cared for, but FFS. When you start doing things like this humans end up suffering for layers of bureaucracy that end up doing more harm than good, especially when there is no "victim" to speak , only a state interested in revenue collection. Some of the people I know who are the most fierce defenders of animal rights also have a corresponding lack of respect for the well being of humans.

Did you know that you can fit the entire human population of ~7 billion on the Isle of Man (I know, befitting right? Cheesy

) which is only 221 sq miles?
This should give you an idea of how much space is being wasted right now. I wonder if you'd feel different about animal rights if someday an all-powerful alien race were to take over the earth and treat humans exactly the same as the rest of the animals, completely ignoring their much lauded intellectual capacity.

What the hell does wasted space have to do with this? If all powerful aliens landed I don't think how I feel about it would come into question. Also, frankly I think most domestic animals enjoy a comfortable life. This reeks of a plot to monetize the family pet while devaluing humanity in the same stroke.

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Quote from: El Emperador on December 21, 2014, 07:49:58 AM

Many dogs are more clever, polite, affectionate and smart than lots of human beings.

No reason to give all dogs citizenship.

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Many dogs are more clever, polite, affectionate and smart than lots of human beings.

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Quote from: Agestorzrxx on December 17, 2014, 08:04:51 AM

This is ridiculous.

Right. Animals are not able to understand the issues that are voted on, and thus cannot realistically be able to vote. Also if dogs were citizens then it would be impossible to 'own' them and they would need to be 'freed' but they would have no way to "support" themselves and pay for their own food/shelter ect

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I wonder if you would be legally allowed to own dogs if they became citizens.

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lol why not birds ??

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Doge should be citizen because real world purposes to the moon it can replace both fiat and citizens so crypto currency is the future

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Quote from: TECSHARE on December 17, 2014, 04:39:58 AM

Don't get me wrong, I think life should be protected and animals should not mistreated, but this just reeks to me as warm and fuzzy anti-human propaganda. People care more for animals than they do humans, and it is kind of sick IMO. Not that animals don't deserve to be cared for, but FFS. When you start doing things like this humans end up suffering for layers of bureaucracy that end up doing more harm than good, especially when there is no "victim" to speak , only a state interested in revenue collection. Some of the people I know who are the most fierce defenders of animal rights also have a corresponding lack of respect for the well being of humans.

Did you know that you can fit the entire human population of ~7 billion on the Isle of Man (I know, befitting right? Cheesy

) which is only 221 sq miles?
This should give you an idea of how much space is being wasted right now. I wonder if you'd feel different about animal rights if someday an all-powerful alien race were to take over the earth and treat humans exactly the same as the rest of the animals, completely ignoring their much lauded intellectual capacity.

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Quote from: Ingatqhvq on December 17, 2014, 11:50:41 PM

No, nothing changed.

From direct personal experience I can attest that dog meat used to be far more widely consumed in major cities in China years back.

Next time perhaps don't make a sweeping generalisation (as now you are changing your words to focus on the countryside perhaps you could explain how it is that you know so much about the eating preferences of the "nong min" - do you spend a lot of time visiting countryside areas of China?).

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Quote from: CIYAM on December 17, 2014, 09:41:06 AM

Quote from: Ingatqhvq on December 17, 2014, 09:35:37 AM

BTW, doge is a delicious food in China.

It is less and less popular for Chinese to eat dog (or cat) meat these days as Chinese are actually very keen pet owners - so although some (generally small non-chain) restaurants still have such "fragrant meat" (as it is often referred to) dishes they are most definitely on the decline.

Very few large chain restaurants (which are considered "upscale restaurants" in China) have dog or cat meat on their menus now.

Oh - and how do I know this? I have lived in China for 8 years (and resided in various different cities).

No, nothing changed.
Dog meat is still very popular in the countryside where is the main consumption area.

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This lends a whole new meaning to the phrase "This country has gone to the dogs". Tongue

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Then may be other animals can also be citizens Grin

For example cats Grin

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Quote from: Elwar on December 17, 2014, 11:08:20 AM

Quote from: Snail2 on December 17, 2014, 09:44:00 AM

As most dogs and cats are living according to the conservative values and they are used to be more intelligent than an average leftist/liberal voter, I don't see any reason why not

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Dogs are pro gay marriage.

... For dogs to be able to lick their own penis on regular basis is not proof they are for or against gay marriage... Wink

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