Should Evil fees have a maximum? - page 2.

jackg

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Quote from: eternalgloom on August 15, 2019, 05:18:17 PM

This thread makes me wonder what the highest amount of evil fees anyone has ever paid is?
Got any stats on that Theymos?

I've seen 0.04 before, not sure how much higher than that it could go.

Instead of having a maximum, maybe we say everyone can claim back their evil fee - copper membership once they reach Sr or Hero because then they'll have proved themselves and they still have to pay $20 (merit abuse is quite well spotted now)...

BitBustah

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But I think users with a malicious purpose would be willing to pay a small amount in order to scam. This probably hurts honest users more than bad ones.

Someone signs up from a library or college and they never even owned bitcoin before and they are asked to send in btc. They will just leave the forum right away.

actmyname

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Spear the bees

Quote from: BitBustah on August 15, 2019, 05:33:46 PM

I didn't know you could obtain that many evil units, I know this forum has huge reserves already so its not like they need the money.

It's not to make it profitable, it's to disincentivize getting banned.

TryNinja

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Quote from: BitBustah on August 15, 2019, 05:33:46 PM

Doesn't this really hurt people using public places such as a library or internet cafe.

Yeah, but evil units only affect people creating a new account. If you already have one, then you can log in with any kind of connection and blacklisted IP.

Quote from: BitBustah on August 15, 2019, 05:33:46 PM

I didn't know you could obtain that many evil units, I know this forum has huge reserves already so its not like they need the money.

The point isn't to get money, but make creating spammy and malicious accounts harder.

BitBustah

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Doesn't this really hurt people using public places such as a library or internet cafe.

I didn't know you could obtain that many evil units, I know this forum has huge reserves already so its not like they need the money.

eternalgloom

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This thread makes me wonder what the highest amount of evil fees anyone has ever paid is?
Got any stats on that Theymos?

I know for a fact that an online acquaintance of mine who lives in Ghana couldn't sign up, due to the evil fees being much too high.
He wasn't using tor btw, but trying to sign up while using a public wifi (which many people over there seem to do).

actmyname

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Spear the bees

Quote from: Theb on August 15, 2019, 03:54:34 PM

Its simply would be like an expressway with a toll that only real users could benefit from that IP address.

Just have an escalating increase in fees until the whole thing is paid. New users only need to register once.

Theb

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How about dividing all the units of evil by the total number of banned accounts in that IP address which we can determine the units of evil per user has to pay? In this case it would be a better alternative compared to setting a standard of 1000 evil units per user has to pay since it won't be a fixed amount that account farmers, spammers, and scammers that can abuse. It would definitely be more affordable for the real user who wants to register in BCT and it will be harder for abusers to register more accounts because they have to pay varying amounts every time they want to register. Its simply would be like an expressway with a toll that only real users could benefit from that IP address.

actmyname

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In poker theory, you have to focus on both your and your opponents' thinking, especially in post-flop play.

When you have a good hand, you typically consider the question, "what cards do they call with?" when you're constructing your bet size.

If you have a high bet, only the players that would really benefit from it would call. Obviously, otherwise, they would fold.

So, if you have a high fee, there are only two kinds of people that would really pay it. One: scammers. Two: whales that are too lazy to register a new account. One of those groups certainly outweighs the other.

LoyceV

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This topic about Tor made me test it again. I had to go through 2 sets of Recaptcha (one to register, one for login). That's annoying, but didn't take too long.
What really surprised me, is this:

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Your account contains 19,955.70 units of evil. To atone, you must pay a total of 0.00576923 bitcoins (5.76923 mBTC; 576923 satoshi).

That's $58!

If I understand correctly, each banned account on a certain IP-range adds Evil units to that IP-range. ~~And paying the Evil fee clears all Units of evil, after which the entire IP-range can be used again to register many accounts (as long as they don't get banned).~~ I stand corrected

I can imagine this $58 fee is scaring off real users who use Tor to protect their privacy. ~~But even if one of them pays the fee, it opens the gates for spammers to register accounts from the same IPs again. (correct me if I'm wrong here)~~

Would it be possible to maximize how many units of evil have to be cleared to activate a single account? Say 1000 units is enough, and after paying there will still be 18,955.70 units of evil left to stop spammers from joning. Paying $3 sounds much more reasonable for a real user to join a forum than paying $58, while it's still too much to be worth it for a spammer.
It would really be a waste if the high Evil fee stops good users from joining.

(I only registered to test the Tor-process so I don't need it, but that's not the point of this topic)

Update
Theymos lowered the maximum to the Copper Membership price.

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