Topic: should it be illegal to use certain types of animals for experiments? (Read 92 times)

NOTE> Anyone who is of a very sensitive nature probably best not watch this video of how animals and dogs in particluar are treated at this facility. These are the facilities that test your fancy vaccines and other products killing hundreds of dogs daily. At 2 minutes is particularly disturbing considering these people freely walk among us living normal lives outside their jobs similiar to how the SS or Dr Mengle was quite "normal" in his respective society. I might remind you that some of the most notorious and depraved humans act quite "normal".

Anyone who supports animal cruelty needs to meet their maker for judgement asap.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntingdon_Life_Sciences

https://old.bitchute.com/video/lsMZm9Al7lnT/




Controversies

Huntingdon is criticised by animal rights and animal welfare groups for using animals in research, for instances of animal abuse and for the wide range of substances it tests on animals, particularly non-medical products. It is claimed by SHAC that 500 animals died every day at HLS (182,500 a year),[13] a figure at odds with HLS' published numbers.

Huntingdon's labs were infiltrated by undercover animal rights activists in 1997 in the UK and in 1998 in the US.

In 1997, film secretly recorded inside HLS in the UK by BUAV and subsequently broadcast on Channel 4 television as "It's a Dog's Life", showed serious breaches of animal-protection laws, including a beagle puppy being held up by the scruff of the neck and repeatedly punched in the face, and animals being taunted.[14]

The laboratory technicians responsible were suspended from HLS the day after the broadcast. All three were later dismissed.[15] Two of the men seen hitting and shaking dogs were found guilty under the Protection of Animals Act 1911 of "cruelly terrifying dogs." It was the first time laboratory technicians had been prosecuted for animal cruelty in the UK. HLS admitted that the technicians' behaviour was deplorable and a new management team was introduced the following year which, according to The Daily Telegraph, "introduced greater openness and new training methods."[15]

In 1998, an undercover investigator for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) used a camera hidden in her glasses to make 50 hours of videotape of the HLS laboratories in Princeton, New Jersey. She also made four 90-minute audiotapes, photocopied 8,000 company documents, and copied the company's client list. According to PETA some of the film she shot showed a monkey being dissected while still alive and conscious. The president of HLS in New Jersey, Alan Staple, said the monkey was alive but sedated during the dissection.[16]

A 2001 article from The Resurgence Trust stated that HLS obtained a "gagging order" in the US that prevents PETA from publicising or talking about any of the information that they discovered. The order also prevented PETA from communicating with the American Department of Agriculture, which had been going to investigate the evidence.[

As an aside, Corvids are granted 'mammal status' (by \?\?\?) on the basis that they have an unusually high level of intellect among the birds.  This they achieved somehow with a notably 'inferior' brain structure.  A hypothesis as to how this came about is that they spy on each other, in complex geo-spacial landscape with a long-ish timespan component, in order to steal food, and try to mitigate the losses from others spying on them.  They do need to 'see through the eyes of others' how others perceive them.

I think there should probably be strict limitations on animal testing for things like shampoo & other vanity type products. Testing for new experimental cancer treatments etc should be allowed on any animal though in my opinion. It’s a very sensitive subject & you’re going to find a lot of very different views.

Using animals for experiments is not easy and cannot be arbitrary because there are rules regarding animal ethics and animal welfare. And not just any animal is used for experiments, because rare and protected animals certainly cannot be used for experiments. The reason for using experimental objects other than humans is because conducting experiments on animals will produce good results. For example, mice, these animals reproduce quickly and are small in size so they do not require a lot of space. With animals, scientists can manipulate genes to study diseases, and this is not easy to do on humans because human DNA cannot be easily changed and there must be many general agreements that say it is unethical. And as far as I know, if you want to use animals for experiments, try not to hurt the animal. So conducting experiments on animals as long as they are carried out according to the rules is permissible.

the narrative might have changed but there are still cases where people gets trafficked and used for some random experimental purposes even though it's not as open as it use to be during the slave trade era.

Animal right is mostly a thing in a civilized society that consideres the well being of some animals as part of the responsibility of humans. In some other places, experimenting with animals is the least form of torture they are exposed to as they normally get preyed by scavengers and humans who eats them or even use them for sacrifices. The believe that all animals are subject to the wish of the owner is still predominant in most part of the world and for most people, as long as you're the owner, you can choose to do to your animal whatever you think it's best to be done to it and if it's qualified to be used for an experimental purpose, it's even a plus to the worth of the animal.

Subjecting animals to torture is inhumane for me regardless of the process of the experiment but if through the outcome of the experiment, The results could help humans or other animals, death is death and iether way, they will eventually be preyed on and uselesed by another predator who lacks the ability of using them for the right purpose hence, experimenting with animals ought not be illegal.

we now have human/animal rights
try not to use examples of stories you read from history(pre rights) to debate todays reasons.
things done in the past are not the same as situations today and so referencing the past is moot..
standards today are nothing like the past so why mention the past.. its the past, you were not alive during that era to experience it. its not relevant today

its like this
did you know cavemen used to club their wives to death if the wives cheated.. but today we have divorce..
dont compare the pain and stress of divorce now to the caveman days, to argue that divorce is bad and is a painful event for those involved.. yes divorce is painful and emotional but not to the same standard as history of how people separate
killing your wife today for cheating is not an acceptable standard, its a crime

I am not against using animals for experiments as long as the animal doesn't suffer from excruciating pains caused by the operation. You shouldn't be cruel or torture animals because you want to experiment. This research should maintain the highest research or experiment standards. They shouldn't be careless about the process because they are just animals, thereby using more animals than required. 

You are even talking about animals, it is on record that some researchers used humans forcefully for their experiments. The stories of how African slaves were brutally used for experiments by developed nations bring so much sorrow and pain to my heart. These slaves were dissected alive for research purposes. Others were used for drug tests and were made to suffer terrible effects.         

let me touch on the touchy subject many are too afraid to say outloud

alot of woke idiots are stuck in their childish colouring book fantasy/social media scripts of thinking that rabbits in wild are happy free living bunnies that live on green pastures, eating carrots and talking to their bunny friends... where domestication is the vile horrific life.. well here is your wake up call

[trigger warning, get a vegan/recycled tissue ready]
rabbits in the world are prey, everyday they are chased by predators like foxes, wolves and even birds of prey. rabbits get infections and injuries and usually end up dying in horrific SLOW painful deaths by disease or injury where they are ripped apart savagely whilst still alive by predators... they dont die peacefully of old age surrounded by bunny friends in the wild
 yep sorry folks rabbits and other similar animals dont have the peaceful heavenly life in the wild you are taught in childrens books.. the books lied to you

now then when you look at domestication which does come with certain animals rights standards, does actually care for the animals and when in pain(lesser than being ripped apart by a wolf) they are euthanised humanely

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too many woke animal rights advocates dont actually care about the short-long term well being of a domestically reared animal compared to an animals wildlife/feral counterpart.. infact they forget that when raised domestically they get vet checkups, medicines and their breeding is controlled by separating the genders and controlling breeding..
unlike their feral counterpart where if all animals were left to be feral the woke people will notice how their feral animal pals would overpopulate and start raiding the vegan vegetable fields destroying crops and suddenly the vegan woke army will be desiring to cull the same animals they pretend to love

so woke people, wake up to the feral reality of the predator-prey circle of life, wake up to how feral animals actually and realistically experience real world life and death in the wild.. then realise using animals domestically is not as bad as the bunny vs wolf scenario

because we all know if all the wokies were to get what they pretend to wish for due to social media scripting, not long after they will be calling for a culling as they suddenly see euthanasia via needle or gunshot is far more humane than the sharp claws, teeth or infections from natural predators

A sensitive topic and I think I slightly disagree with your instance on how animals would be treated. I am against of the suffering of animals and people for the sake of scientific advance, it is cruel to assume the life of a single individual is suitable to be sacrificed for the well-being of others of the same species. If anything, those experiments would be secure enough for them to be considered to be non-lethal.
In the case of meat consumptions, usually butchers are required by law to inflict death as painless and humane as possible to livestock, there are very norms about it in developed countries, otherwise it would be considered to be animal abuse.

It is kind of scary and depressing to realize much of the medical advance and product development we see today in the world could have come to reality because of the suffering of anonymous animals and people.

If an animal is your property, you have authority over it. If you are not the property of a government, you don't have to obey the laws of a government. However...

We are all the property of God. And God tells us in the Old Testament to treat our animal-property with justice and mercy. You can find this info in the Torah, the first 5 books of the Bible.

How deep does this go? Consider that we all have microbes and parasites that might be considered to be our property. Some of these are beneficial to the lives of our bodies. Others are not. But we don't even think of how badly we are treating many kinds of them by killing them off with antibiotics.

The point is that we should be good to our animal property. But we are the authority. And if we have agreed to be 'owned' by a government, then obey the agreement by doing what our government owner tells us to do.

In the US, we are only 'owned' by the government by unwittingly becoming 13th/14th Amendment slaves. We don't have to remain this way. And we don't have to continue to let government consider that we are this way. But it means that we have to start taking responsibility for our lives rather than attempting to leach off government.

Certain experiments are like gambling, full of very risky trials and errors with no gurantee of success. Then they continue to try and try with more animals until success, else they probably won't stop experimenting on the animals.
Well, if this is done mostly for selfish reasons like for riches, it becomes very immoral, but doing it for the sake of saving human life or more lives, could be considered fair. Afterall animals were permitted to be used in form of sacrifice to save humans from burden of crime. And there were no trial and error with the sacrifice. .

There wouldn't have been such experiment in the first place if humans were living in strong bubbles strengthened by the good things they consume. The bubbles are also filled with knowledge and understanding that help eliminate uncertainty, helping the humans know for sure the cures for diseases without necessarily experimenting

I know some people might not agree with me on this particular topic but i strongly believe it shouldn't be illegal to use certain types of animals for experiments and other research purposes that could better our lives.

Experimentation and research are very important aspects that have preserved the lives of many animals, since without them, we wouldn't know how to treat animals when they fall sick or understand the best ways to ensure their proper development.

If an animal is likely to die during an experiment and then we use that knowledge to better our society, then it's acceptable to conduct experiments on it, provided there's a probability that such an experiment can heal the animal or be useful in treating another animal in the near future.