Should merit be disabled on Bitcoin Wall Observer?

SwayStar123

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Quote from: nutildah on September 04, 2020, 07:34:29 AM

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 07:00:53 AM

closing the thread wouldnt do much as they can just make a new thread, thats why i went from "should we delete" to "should we disable merit on WO"

Even if we all voted "yes," I don't think theymos would change it. It could be a bit more work than he wants to do, plus it doesn't make much sense, plus there's no way everybody would vote yes in the first place, plus there won't be an official vote on the matter.

I feel like you are still operating under the assumption that this statement is true because nobody bothered to correct you:

Quote from: ?? on ??

id say the majority of merit being holed up and distributed within a single thread is pretty harmful Undecided

This isn't true -- not by a longshot.

According to the official Merit sources stats:

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 07:11:57 AM

massive merit inflation on WO

Uh... merit is deflationary... I don't think you even understand what the concept of "inflation" means. We'd need to sucker more merit sources into WO culture at an exponential rate in order for merit to be truly "inflationary."

Stop and take a breath unless your goal is to have 100 merits before you go to sleep, which might very well be possible.

You know what thats actually a good arguement for once, thank you, your quite right on that part

Although on the merit inflation subject, even though merit is technically deflationary you can still exchange your merit between each other in order to double the total merit on a user, ie if 2 users had 100 merit (so 50 smerit) they could both merit each other and end up with approx 199 merit and 0 smerits each. But now that you have made it clear for me that only 14% of newly generated merit goes to WO, i still think thats a large amount considering the type of content that is made there, but i suppose it was a much smaller issue than i imagined, it appears i was looking at the wrong figures (i was looking at the highest merited threads list)

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Quote from: actmyname on September 04, 2020, 07:07:55 AM

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 07:06:06 AM

I kinda dont want the merits to spiral down and turn into glorified like buttons

The other thing is, to like someone's post, doesn't it automatically have to have something of substance that connects with you? I'm not going to merit something randomly, am I?

Yes but because of the massive merit inflation on WO, you can basically "like"(merit) every message you see, hence the memes which have nothing to do with bitcoin and such getting merited in WO, which just furthur increases the inflation problem

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Quote from: actmyname on September 04, 2020, 07:03:56 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Its not a hypothetical, people have been banned and flagged and distrusted for merit farming before.

There it is! The equivalence between 'merit farming' and the WO thread!

Tell me... what do these users without any merit-based incentives plan on doing with their merit other than to use it in the form of "likes" on the WO thread?

I kinda dont want the merits to spiral down and turn into glorified like buttons, thats kinda the point of stopping the inflation of merit in WO

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Quote from: FullNode on September 04, 2020, 06:56:41 AM

Your registration date is from mar 2018 and you are suggesting to close one of the best threads with the most visits Roll Eyes

in a forum with:
55,085,986 Posts
1,259,723 Topics
2,834,026 Members
Check some of the WO profiles and look at the registration dates, some of them are part of Bitcointak and Bitcoin
Find another topic that is a real problem on the forum and help solve it,you will earn merits and recognition, it is a better idea than attacking WO Cheesy

Wall Observer has a life of its own

closing the thread wouldnt do much as they can just make a new thread, thats why i went from "should we delete" to "should we disable merit on WO"

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Quote from: actmyname on September 04, 2020, 06:54:26 AM

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 06:52:48 AM

In that same scenario around 1000 sMerit got sent to Mr. Punkass for posting memes rather than being distributed on the rest of the forum.

Dope. That means that whoever sent the merit decided that it was a proper use of their merit.

Are you going to now start commandeering the merit system to restrict certain people from getting it? How about, let's prevent all Legendary users and above from receiving merit since it's clearly not going to the other members who obviously deserve it.

Thing is, if me and my friends did the same thing but outside of WO we would definitely get banned, thats my problem here

What Lauda said sums it up well

Quote from: Lauda on September 04, 2020, 02:10:13 AM

It is a very easy way for the inner circle to farm merits by content which would otherwise get you banned for posting it in that quality and quantity elsewhere

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Quote from: actmyname on September 04, 2020, 06:49:02 AM

Scenario:
Some punk-ass loser posts memes all day in WO thread.
Punk-ass loser is trying to get merit in order to rank up so they can farm signature campaigns.
Punk-ass loser spends all his time on the WO thread since they maximize their merit.
Punk-ass loser has no useful posts outside of WO.
Punk-ass loser applies for signature campaign.
Punk-ass loser does not get in.

Usually, people can follow the flow of merit. If a user is accumulating merit and they produce shitty posts, the posts will be reported. If a user produces quality posts, then it is no longer a problem.

In that same scenario around 1000 sMerit got sent to Mr. Punkass for posting memes rather than being distributed on the rest of the forum.

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Quote from: gentlemand on September 04, 2020, 06:29:11 AM

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 06:26:00 AM

I was not the one who stated that WO would die without merit, it was eddie who thinks such

Like I said it's your inference that WO folks are somehow the embodiment of evil short cutting that hasn't gone down well.

Well considering half of them came here to tell me to fuck off rather than actually make any points i still think im right to call most of WO toxic

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Why only BWO thread when similar "problem" also happened on other places such as Meta section or any threads where someone makes good joke/meme that reflect actual condition?

Even theymos give merit to memes and artwork (9991 merit according to https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52793373)

bruh that entire thread was about art, so it makes sense for art to be posted there

On 1st page, you're quoting theymos quote about merit purpose to to reward quality contributions. So my question is, does artwork have significant contribution?

It was an art contest, so obviously art is going to be a quality contribution. I dont understand what your getting at here Huh

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Quote from: gentlemand on September 04, 2020, 06:22:47 AM

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 06:12:55 AM

tell that to your fellow WO member not me

The merit stuff is a fun addition that they make liberal use of for their own amusement, not the be all and end all. If it was gone the conversation would continue in the exact same way. The conversation would be the same if it had never existed, but there would be no asshole no marks making an occasional appearance fishing for merit.

exactly so disabling merit would not hinder the preexisting WO community at all, i have an issue with the over inflation of merit on WO, and you also seem to have some problems with people coming and trying to fish for merit, disabling merit would solve both of our issues

I was not the one who stated that WO would die without merit, it was eddie who thinks such

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Quote from: bitcoinPsycho on September 04, 2020, 06:13:39 AM

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 06:12:55 AM

Quote from: gentlemand on September 04, 2020, 06:09:38 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

If removing merits causes WO to die then am i not correct to assume its a merit farming factory?

It wouldn't make any difference at all.

tell that to your fellow WO member not me

We already know

Apparently eddie doesnt agree

Quote from: d_eddie on September 04, 2020, 05:57:47 AM

Disable merits?
Kill the Wall Observer thread?
Can't see it happen.

#haiku

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 05:58:34 AM

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The fact that we throw merits at each other the way we do (many of us are Merit Sources) is none of your fucking business. It's a community unto itself, on Bitcointalk.

Its the business of this entire forum, and i am trying to bring attention to it

Who the fuck died and made you Theymos ?

Ignoring you now.

Fuck off, and buh-bye.

since when do you need to be theymos in order to think of the forum Huh

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Quote from: gentlemand on September 04, 2020, 06:09:38 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

If removing merits causes WO to die then am i not correct to assume its a merit farming factory?

It wouldn't make any difference at all.

tell that to your fellow WO member not me

SwayStar123

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Quote from: BobLawblaw on September 04, 2020, 05:42:46 AM

SwayStar123 shifting the goalposts from "Should we delete the thread" to "Should we disable merit in thread" speaks volumes to his true grievance. He's jealous of our fruitty little hat gang.

Yes your right, my true grievance is the massive inflation of merit in WO, i couldnt care less if the thread stayed up if the merit issues are fixed

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Just fuck off to Reddit or something. Who the fuck are you to dictate what happens in one of the most interesting threads on these forums ?

If what some of you are saying is true (you dont care about merit) that would change absolutely nothing to the thread

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Maybe instead of complaining about the Wall Observer thread, you could have tried to add something to it other than your tears.

I posted infrequently on WO before, if all i was after was merit I would never had made this thread, it wouldve been in my best interest to continue posting.

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The fact that we throw merits at each other the way we do (many of us are Merit Sources) is none of your fucking business. It's a community unto itself, on Bitcointalk.

Its the business of this entire forum, and i am trying to bring attention to it

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Quote from: El duderino_ on September 04, 2020, 05:07:59 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: El duderino_ on September 04, 2020, 04:46:42 AM

Its pity, cause imo this thread is nothing more as an attempt for merit fishing and attention seeking....

Just try to create something thats about BTC or helpful for this place.

If i wanted merit I wouldve just participated in WO and tried to farm merit that way

No that where you're wrong... if thats the only reason, you would be detected and receiving way less as you would think.

The WO isn't filled with idiots, keep that in mind, most of them are people with a lot of knowledge and very very good in detecting abusers of systems, as they are all contributors for a healthy and good working environment.

Don't just think I participate there and merit will follow.

What I was posted was getting merits, if i was solely after merits why would i have stopped? You say that you would have caught me if i was solely after merits but thats alot easier to say than do

nutildah

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Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 07:00:53 AM

closing the thread wouldnt do much as they can just make a new thread, thats why i went from "should we delete" to "should we disable merit on WO"

Even if we all voted "yes," I don't think theymos would change it. It could be a bit more work than he wants to do, plus it doesn't make much sense, plus there's no way everybody would vote yes in the first place, plus there won't be an official vote on the matter.

I feel like you are still operating under the assumption that this statement is true because nobody bothered to correct you:

Quote from: ?? on ??

id say the majority of merit being holed up and distributed within a single thread is pretty harmful Undecided

This isn't true -- not by a longshot.

According to the official Merit sources stats:

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 07:11:57 AM

massive merit inflation on WO

Uh... merit is deflationary... I don't think you even understand what the concept of "inflation" means. We'd need to sucker more merit sources into WO culture at an exponential rate in order for merit to be truly "inflationary."

Stop and take a breath unless your goal is to have 100 merits before you go to sleep, which might very well be possible.

Erumo

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Isnt the fact that "signatures are not shown in WO and it is impossible to spam in this megathread for signature campaign" enough?
Merit is not moderated. Anyone can merit anything, even posts with single pictures, bounty reports and proof of registration. It is they own will. So why disabling merit in WO ?

First we disable merit in WO, then we hide members reputation in Goods, Services and Lending. Mark my words Cheesy

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Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 07:11:57 AM

Yes but because of the massive merit inflation on WO, you can basically "like"(merit) every message you see, hence the memes which have nothing to do with bitcoin and such getting merited in WO, which just furthur increases the inflation problem

Just to toss a stick in the pile.

Quote from: theymos on October 21, 2018, 09:28:55 AM

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

This one should relate to those cases you mentioned.

Quote from: theymos on October 21, 2018, 09:28:55 AM

Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that. You don't need to stress about it or defend yourself constantly. It's conceivable that someday you and I will end up disagreeing too much about this stuff and I'll remove your source status, but it's really not a big deal.

And this is on merit sources, but it seems general enough to apply to most people. After all, the standards of those that are sources vs. those that are not (in a perfect world) would be equally high.

suchmoon

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I think we should cancel the rest of the forum and leave only the WO thread so that there is less confusion what this forum is about.

El duderino_

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My dude hat says so....

Flying for BTC-ATH mean’t merit ATH Kiss

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Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 07:06:06 AM

I kinda dont want the merits to spiral down and turn into glorified like buttons, thats kinda the point of stopping the inflation of merit in WO

Kind of too late for that. People aren't given restrictions on merit, and therefore merit can be sent arbitrarily. I don't tag anymore for merit abuse except in clear-cut egregious cases because of that fact: you cannot accurately determine subjective values via merit resulting in an excess of merit from circumstantial evidence resulting in a conclusion of abuse.

The other thing is, to like someone's post, doesn't it automatically have to have something of substance that connects with you? I'm not going to merit something randomly, am I?

El duderino_

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Quote from: actmyname on September 04, 2020, 06:57:35 AM

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 06:55:59 AM

Thing is, if me and my friends did the same thing but outside of WO we would definitely get banned, thats my problem here

You are incorrect because you are proposing a result to a hypothetical. For one, I have seen posts outside of the WO thread that are not of "high quality". Shitposts, even, that were merited.

Nobody really gives a shit anymore about merit, do they?

It's also a bit strange to be meriting people like El duderino_ when they have >4000 merit. What are they going to do with it? Roll Eyes

(case in point: merit doesn't matter to a lot of these users)

Howhowhow.......don’t point at me, I only entered this thread to gain merit bruh.... I’m in love with my merit whoreacracy.....

Life = merit.... that’s what the guy is pointing out isn’t it....

>4000 still isn’t >5000

Cool

actmyname

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Its not a hypothetical, people have been banned and flagged and distrusted for merit farming before.

There it is! The equivalence between 'merit farming' and the WO thread!

Tell me... what do these users without any merit-based incentives plan on doing with their merit other than to use it in the form of "likes" on the WO thread?

Quote from: ?? on ??

also if merit really doesnt matter to them i dont understand why they would be so opposed to disabling merit on the thread

"I could live with or without an extra lamp. I would like to keep it, though."

actmyname

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Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 06:55:59 AM

Thing is, if me and my friends did the same thing but outside of WO we would definitely get banned, thats my problem here

You are incorrect because you are proposing a result to a hypothetical. For one, I have seen posts outside of the WO thread that are not of "high quality". Shitposts, even, that were merited.

Nobody really gives a shit anymore about merit, do they?

It's also a bit strange to be meriting people like El duderino_ when they have >4000 merit. What are they going to do with it? Roll Eyes

(case in point: merit doesn't matter to a lot of these users)

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Your registration date is from mar 2018 and you are suggesting to close one of the best threads with the most visits Roll Eyes

in a forum with:
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2,834,026 Members
Check some of the WO profiles and look at the registration dates, some of them are part of Bitcointak and Bitcoin
Find another topic that is a real problem on the forum and help solve it,you will earn merits and recognition, it is a better idea than attacking WO Cheesy

Wall Observer has a life of its own

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Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 06:52:48 AM

In that same scenario around 1000 sMerit got sent to Mr. Punkass for posting memes rather than being distributed on the rest of the forum.

Dope. That means that whoever sent the merit decided that it was a proper use of their merit.

Are you going to now start commandeering the merit system to restrict certain people from getting it? How about, let's prevent all Legendary users and above from receiving merit since it's clearly not going to the other members who obviously deserve it.

theymos himself barely even fucking cares about merit abuse.

nutildah

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Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 06:26:00 AM

exactly so disabling merit would not hinder the preexisting WO community at all, i have an issue with the over inflation of merit on WO, and you also seem to have some problems with people coming and trying to fish for merit, disabling merit would solve both of our issues

I was not the one who stated that WO would die without merit, it was eddie who thinks such

Now you're being completely irrational. Eddie in no way said that and I don't think you'll convince anybody here that he did.

Regardless of the loose camaraderie that indeed exists in the WO thread, I find some of the most intriguing and intellectual conversation of the entire forum happening there and will readily disperse merits upon those who add something somewhat insightful to any discussion currently taking place there.

As gentlemand mentioned earlier, its obvious to us when someone forces their way onto the scene looking to cheese their way into some merits, and we don't appreciate it. And if we don't agree with your opinion, we're under no obligation to give you merits either. We're not obligated to do jack shit actually.

Wait a minute.

This whole thread is ridiculous.

First you want the WO thread - the most famous thread of the whole forum - deleted, THEN you say you want merits taken away from the thread, something that has never been done for any other thread since the merit system started, all the while feigning a nonchalant attitude of not caring about merits? You obviously care to an unhealthy agree. What you're asking:

1) isn't feasible
2) is selfish of you
3) won't happen
4) theymos would never implement it in a million years
5) won't change the dynamics of the WO in the slightest
6) did I mention its not going to happen? because its not

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 06:31:54 AM

Well considering half of them came here to tell me to fuck off rather than actually make any points i still think im right to call most of WO toxic

And that is your right, just as it is their right to tell you to fuck off. If you think that thread is toxic I encourage you to spend more time in Politics & Society to get a better gauge of what forum toxicity actually looks like.

I feel like I've said this many times already, maybe about once every 6 months, but theymos isn't about to abandon his libertarian ideals regarding forum governance in order to prevent your delicate sensibilities from being offended.

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Scenario:
Some punk-ass loser posts memes all day in WO thread.
Punk-ass loser is trying to get merit in order to rank up so they can farm signature campaigns.
Punk-ass loser spends all his time on the WO thread since they maximize their merit.
Punk-ass loser has no useful posts outside of WO.
Punk-ass loser applies for signature campaign.
Punk-ass loser does not get in.

Usually, people can follow the flow of merit. If a user is accumulating merit and they produce shitty posts, the posts will be reported. If a user produces quality posts, then it is no longer a problem.

gentlemand

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Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 06:26:00 AM

I was not the one who stated that WO would die without merit, it was eddie who thinks such

Well, I think he was more interested in making the right haiku rather than a point.

I personally couldn't give a shit if merit was gone from there and most of it is totally frivolous but there is also high quality content which would be deserving of plenty of merit regardless of where it's posted.

Like I said it's your inference that WO folks are somehow the embodiment of evil short cutting that hasn't gone down well.

gentlemand

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Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 06:12:55 AM

tell that to your fellow WO member not me

I think what has irritated people is that you somehow think WO people are 'cheating' whereas they themselves don't regard it as a contest or struggle. The merit stuff is a fun and useful addition that they make liberal use of for their own amusement, not the be all and end all.

If it was gone the conversation would continue in the exact same way. The conversation would be the same if it had never existed, but there would be no asshole no marks making an occasional appearance fishing for merit.

Some lower ranked members constantly have one eye on upping their merit score and it makes them come over as stiff, and then there are those who spend their lives whining about why their score isn't higher. If you jettison that and just get on with enjoying and learning then it arrives naturally.

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Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 04, 2020, 06:12:55 AM

Quote from: gentlemand on September 04, 2020, 06:09:38 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

If removing merits causes WO to die then am i not correct to assume its a merit farming factory?

It wouldn't make any difference at all.

tell that to your fellow WO member not me

We already know

gentlemand

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Quote from: ?? on ??

If removing merits causes WO to die then am i not correct to assume its a merit farming factory?

It wouldn't make any difference at all. Proper merit farmers wouldn't last more than a handful of posts before being told to bugger off. That thread has the most experienced members who've seen every behaviour under the sun on here and they instantly see through empty members. If you don't fit in with the spirit of the thread you're not going to last.

d_eddie

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Disable merits?
Kill the Wall Observer thread?
Can't see it happen.

#haiku

BobLawblaw

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SwayStar123 shifting the goalposts from "Should we delete the thread" to "Should we disable merit in thread" speaks volumes to his true grievance. He's jealous of our fruitty little hat gang.

Just fuck off to Reddit or something. Who the fuck are you to dictate what happens in one of the most interesting threads on these forums ?

If it wasn't for the Wall Observer thread, I would have no interest in these forums otherwise. Even after nuking all my posts in a fit of rage, I'm glad I still hang out there, albeit not as much as I have before.

The fact that we throw merits at each other the way we do (many of us are Merit Sources) is none of your fucking business. It's a community unto itself, on Bitcointalk.

Maybe instead of complaining about the Wall Observer thread, you could have tried to add something to it other than your tears.

In closing...

fillippone

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I have been summoned into this thread by @El duderino_ , whose post I fully agree with, but after 5 pages I still cannot understand what is the OP's point.
The fact that he had the majority of his merits from the WO thread, as per @tranthidung analysis, adds to my confusion.

I said many times whatever accusation on the WO could legitimately be made (meriting circles, back scratching, immorality, toxic-ism or whatever else) is vastly overwhelmed by the utility of that single pearl-like post I usually find from time to time. So I also legitimately ignore those criticism.

My interest for this thread stops here.

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Quote from: El duderino_ on September 04, 2020, 04:46:42 AM

Its pity, cause imo this thread is nothing more as an attempt for merit fishing and attention seeking....

Just try to create something thats about BTC or helpful for this place.

If i wanted merit I wouldve just participated in WO and tried to farm merit that way

All I understood from these 5 pages is that instead of one Bitcoin Wall Observer topic, the OP will receive two. All heroes from that topic will move to this topic.
The only thing that the OP can please be constant attention only to him.
OP, just click “ ignore this topic” if you're worried. Benefits for the forum can be brought in other ways, do not worry about the merits.
It is not good to count ~~money~~merit in other people's wallets.

El duderino_

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Actually most important is, you have said you're thing, maybe close this thread?? Seems like 99.7% of the forum disagree.... Number high enough?

Little Mouse

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I do not think merit should be disbaled in that thread. May be a lot of users merit posts which are funny, meme or enjoy reading regardless of high quality. However, that's what also happened in the main board. I have seen a lot of cases where merits were put in memes in other boars/threads. So, it does not make sense to disable merit there. Also, quality of post can differ person to person.

El duderino_

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: El duderino_ on September 04, 2020, 04:46:42 AM

Its pity, cause imo this thread is nothing more as an attempt for merit fishing and attention seeking....

Just try to create something thats about BTC or helpful for this place.

If i wanted merit I wouldve just participated in WO and tried to farm merit that way

No that where you're wrong... if thats the only reason, you would be detected and receiving way less as you would think.

The WO isn't filled with idiots, keep that in mind, most of them are people with a lot of knowledge and very very good in detecting abusers of systems, as they are all contributors for a healthy and good working environment.

Don't just think I participate there and merit will follow.

tranthidung

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Quote from: ?? on ??

As tranthidung stated above, WO is where i have gotten most of my merit, i could have just continued to post whatever i posted before

You did not read again, did you?

Quote from: tranthidung on September 04, 2020, 03:15:25 AM

People can complain about how merit is distributed in WO but please remember that even if you earn thousand of merit in WO but you simply earn it from shitposts and you are a shitposter, you will not get acceptances from managers of good campaigns. It makes sense to stop complaining about merit in WO.

I congratulate you in advance because you might become a Full member but you will have to wait ~ next 6 months to get the legendary activity count and maybe years to hit the Legendary rank.

I did some quick search and gave you 2 threads but I have a disclosure for you, if you dyor you will know that your thread is not the first one complains about WO. Let it is as it has been, please. Cheesy

Steamtyme

legendary

Activity: 1554

Merit: 2037

Quote from: ?? on ??

If i wanted merit I wouldve just participated in WO and tried to farm merit that way

I don't think you have the memes for it.

El duderino_

legendary

Activity: 2688

Merit: 13334

BTC + Crossfit, living life.

Its pity, cause imo this thread is nothing more as an attempt for merit fishing and attention seeking....

Just try to create something thats about BTC or helpful for this place.

Steamtyme

legendary

Activity: 1554

Merit: 2037

Imagine if we just stopped looking at others and giving a shit about how or why they are doing things that don't affect anyone else. It's merit and jokes, and dildos galore let's just calm down and move on. Don't like it take your ball start another. I rarely venture there and don't think I've ever posted, but do pop in from time to time for a laugh.

gentlemand

legendary

Activity: 2590

Merit: 3015

Welt Am Draht

Is merit crazily distorted on that thread? Most certainly. Is it doing any harm? Nope.

A no mark scumbag with evil intentions to rank up wouldn't get anywhere. I doubt it would make any difference to WO poster behaviour if it was gone. It was handed to them and they ran with it. Many were already the most senior rank before the system arrived.

I've no idea what everyone's stats are about handing them out but hopefully some use that excess to splurge on helping lowlier members outside the thread to rank up.

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

It is your earned merit, categorised by thread IDs and the thread ID of Wall Observer is 178336. Data is last Friday merit data dump.

In both sum or frequency stats: you earned most of your merit in WO.

In sum:

Code:

     +------------------------+
     |   topic   emerit_topic |
     |------------------------|
  1. | 4745089             15 |
  2. | 4758313             15 |
  3. |  178336             12 |
  4. | 5222343             11 |
  5. | 5193860              6 |
     |------------------------|
  6. | 5229611              3 |
  7. | 5159576              3 |
  8. | 5231762              2 |
  9. | 5226139              2 |
 10. | 5191989              2 |
     |------------------------|
 11. | 5267500              2 |
 12. | 5255102              1 |
 13. | 5231766              1 |
 14. | 4707054              1 |
 15. | 5037973              1 |
     |------------------------|
 16. | 5245061              1 |
     +------------------------+

In percent

Code:

      topic |      Freq.     Percent        Cum.
------------+-----------------------------------
     178336 |         10       19.23       19.23
    4707054 |          1        1.92       21.15
    4745089 |          7       13.46       34.62
    4758313 |          9       17.31       51.92
    5037973 |          1        1.92       53.85
    5159576 |          2        3.85       57.69
    5191989 |          1        1.92       59.62
    5193860 |          5        9.62       69.23
    5222343 |          7       13.46       82.69
    5226139 |          2        3.85       86.54
    5229611 |          1        1.92       88.46
    5231762 |          1        1.92       90.38
    5231766 |          1        1.92       92.31
    5245061 |          1        1.92       94.23
    5255102 |          1        1.92       96.15
    5267500 |          2        3.85      100.00
------------+-----------------------------------
      Total |         52      100.00

Summary stats for WO:

emerit_topic: Sum of earned merits in each topic
cmerit_topic: Frequency (count) of merit transactions in each topic
pemerit_topic: Percent of sum of earned merits in each topic / total earned merits
temerit: Sum of earned merits till last Friday data dump

Code:

       +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
       |   topic   emerit_topic   temerit   pemerit_topic   cmerit_topic |
       |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
    1. |  178336          53976    737258             7.4          38972 |
    2. | 5193860          22280    737258               3           6378 |
    3. | 1006631           9402    737258             1.2           6313 |
    4. | 2818350           3483    737258              .4           1609 |
    5. |  313900           3303    737258              .4           2016 |
       |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
    6. |   26136           3190    737258              .4           2561 |
    7. | 5105163           1887    737258              .2           1480 |
    8. | 2360806           1821    737258              .2           1658 |
    9. |       5           1670    737258              .2            209 |
   10. | 2827596           1622    737258              .2            188 |
       |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
   11. | 2840438           1609    737258              .2           1004 |
   12. | 1458034           1582    737258              .2           1006 |
   13. | 5095156           1398    737258              .2            702 |
   14. | 5156376           1375    737258              .2            352 |
   15. | 2818398           1242    737258              .2            782 |
       |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
   16. | 2823701           1097    737258              .2            705 |
   17. |  753252            990    737258              .2            602 |
   18. | 4871955            967    737258              .2            498 |
   19. | 2683530            932    737258              .2            316 |
   20. | 1976285            883    737258              .2            556 |
       |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
   21. | 5044331            856    737258              .2            185 |
   22. | 4415262            834    737258              .2            662 |
   23. | 5053833            830    737258              .2            322 |
   24. |  750446            787    737258              .2            477 |
   25. | 1608859            784    737258              .2            348 |
       |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
   26. |  569449            779    737258              .2            399 |
   27. | 5157696            772    737258              .2            226 |
   28. | 1935179            761    737258              .2            568 |
   29. | 1883902            759    737258              .2            339 |
   30. | 5149062            737    737258               0            451 |
       |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
   31. | 1336682            735    737258               0            418 |
   32. | 2820637            733    737258               0            326 |
   33. |  155054            731    737258               0            113 |
   34. | 2874360            728    737258               0            397 |
   35. |  317658            705    737258               0            154 |
       |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
   36. |  570886            691    737258               0            417 |
   37. |  583449            682    737258               0            309 |
   38. | 3015517            645    737258               0             91 |
   39. | 2818404            642    737258               0            268 |
   40. | 2544574            632    737258               0            403 |
       |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
   41. | 4742257            632    737258               0            210 |
   42. |  628413            619    737258               0            488 |
   43. |  615953            616    737258               0            329 |
   44. |  421615            613    737258               0            234 |
   45. | 4657305            595    737258               0            406 |
       |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
   46. | 2897545            575    737258               0            160 |
   47. |       0            571    737258               0            354 |
   48. | 5236380            569    737258               0            113 |
   49. |  375643            561    737258               0            101 |
   50. | 2040221            542    737258               0            297 |
       +-----------------------------------------------------------------+

El duderino_

legendary

Activity: 2688

Merit: 13334

BTC + Crossfit, living life.

*It isn't hard to get in the WO-thread, there are plenty of bearish people in there (or with slow growth, new bottom or whatever perspective), when they post and they don't troll then other engage with serious talk and answer... Only a moron would say that this isn't the case...
There is a very big different in the WO for those who enter with trolling intentions and breaking down BTC and disrespect the environment, to those who have an opinion and talking about a lower bottom or a slow growth etc like majormax for example ---> he always talks slow and not parabolic but on a normal way and not trolling (merited him a lot even when I didn't agree, but I he's just reasoning as all of us).

*True there are many OG posters there those who are core BTC'ers and whom are active from the very start of BTC-talk, please show some respect for the piece of BTC-history they have build and just see that this thread is a piece of BTC-history as well.

*There are many different posters in the WO and probably more whom doesn't post at the WO, but read it daily to gain knowledge around what is happening in BTC-land, and probably can have a good laugh with some A+++ jokes and good GIF usage etc

*Just a few examples myself, VB1001, fillippone, JSRAW, ivomm, exstasie, toxic2040 and many more are all people started on BTC-talk as a newbie, started at the WO as a newbie but all have gained much more respect and been way more rewarded as for example you are ...
We all made useful threads in English sections as in our own sections and we have all helped out new members, all contributed in our own way.

*Contribute, don't try to break some community and community spirit where we all build upon as people with similar interest BTC

*Also I know a lot of very quality posters who I have helped to rank up a bit... but never trolling or non contributing members. I write this cause your first lines in the OP are posting to a few members who are granted legendary recently... Those are more than deserved legendary members, sometimes a small merit boost is very appropriate as long as it is send for good reasons, those members are more as well deserved and they all resent there gained merit to quality members as well.

*The OP of the WO is very known and doesn't need a closer look from a bitter person who can't handle it that some others members are receiving some merit... when you're jealous at fellow people on the same boat, then better don't be on it please.... it only ruin the good healthy spirit for others.
The whole forum or relevant people that are familiar with the WO-thread already knows that its more as the OP... Its a seed that has been planted in the forum, where everyone can write and talk BTC among others... As long if its a bit respectful and a bit about BTC then there is a lot to discus, serious matters and as well with some kind of humor and a bit of hang out ....

I can't read your whole OP cause I know the rest will all be the same and drama for some send merits....

Please don't be that guy, join the BTC-community and respect its history and the people involved in it and those that have build on it, its the soul of the whole thing.

posi

hero member

Activity: 2268

Merit: 579

Vave.com - Crypto Casino

First, I have once raised an issue like this acoupke of months ago before I later understand that there are a lot of real bitcoin hodlers and traders who are not after merit and campaign in the WO but there are some which seize the thread the rank up either.
Second, WO is an independent thread but managed by @infofront and could be change according to Theymos message in the year 2017 if hes not moderating the thread verywell or if the thread is complicated complicated by cause I also believe the thread rules are follow in terms of multi-posting (except obvious spam), trolling and off-topicness.

Cryptotourist

hero member

Activity: 1190

Merit: 755

Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis

Hey theymos, please disable merits on WO.
For SwayStar God damn it.

Quote from: ?? on ??

~ as much as i hate the toxicity in WO i dont mind it being open if the merit issue is solved. ill rename the thread now

This sounds so obnoxious.
Nice to see you master ~~logic~~. Tongue

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021

Although you have a point Merit always seems easy to get in the Wall Observer topic, I don't think that topic harms the forum. Merit was introduced to stop spammers, and I see no harm in a bunch of guys posting in one very big topic.
There are a lot of Merit sources active in that topic, just like in Meta, which makes it easier to earn Merit. I would love to see technical topics earn more Merit than WO or Meta posts, but I think less people read those, or the people who do read them have less sMerit to share.

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 03, 2020, 11:04:18 PM

Well i think you get the point, lets now look at the merit flow for one of the WBO regulars..

You forgot to compare this data to their actual posts: if 95% of their posts and reading happens in the WO-thread, it's not surprising their Merit activity happens in the same thread too.

I wish the WO-topic had a summary, because there are interesting posts, but there's just far too many other posts to read too.

For anyone who likes scrolling, I made WallObserver.tk

To answer your questions:
Should Bitcoin Wall Observer thread be deleted? No.
Should merit be disabled on Bitcoin Wall Observer? No.

kurious

legendary

Activity: 2604

Merit: 1748

The WO is a huge and (arguably) historic thread with millions of views.

Personally, I see it as the beating heart of the forum. Yes it is populated by the OG bitcoiners, people who have been around for years, been through the crypto winters and hung on through rain and shine. For many people it is the best old school bar in town. Sometimes they let off steam, sometimes soak up the heat for everyone with a quip.

Old warriors who have seen it all are indeed scathing of those who have yet to learn, but it is also the place where news often surfaces first, and where the mood of the entire community of the forum is displayed. The memes can encapsulate the mood, the jokes offer gallows humour when things are grim. It is welcoming of new members who 'get it' and gives short shrift to those who don't.

There are indeed a lot of merit sources there, inevitably they are people who are always checking in on the WO - for many who have been around a long time the WO is their home page. Sources do have to use merits (or lose them) and it is entirely up to them where they send them.

It will not change and personally I don't think it should. It is an open and tough debating forum - yes, with humour and chat. But if you look closely there is much to learn.

I did.

bitcoinPsycho

legendary

Activity: 2632

Merit: 2386

$120000 in 2024 Confirmed

Should merit be disabled on Bitcoin Wall Observer?

No .....I mean Yes I really don't care

Cryptotourist

hero member

Activity: 1190

Merit: 755

Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis

Quote from: ?? on ??

If your not gonna bother using logic, im not gonna bother replying

Good. Stop crying then.
This subject has been discussed multiple times before, and you think it's logical to bring it up again?
For what? What do you think you can accomplish?

Just fuck off sweetheart.

bitserve

legendary

Activity: 1862

Merit: 1530

Self made HODLER ✓

Quote from: ?? on ??

Theymos' clarifications change absolutely nothing from my argument, the fact that the mods stopped caring about the off topic posts doesnt change the fact that the posts are off topic and low effort and are getting merited if they really just wanted to talk with each other they wouldnt care if merits were disabled on WO

Well, then make up your fucking mind and open a new thread for that. This one (per the OP) is about if the WO thread should be deleted or not.

I say NO.

Cryptotourist

hero member

Activity: 1190

Merit: 755

Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis

Arguments?
Nah, I thought we were trying to impose our personal opinion(s) to others. Tongue

bitserve

legendary

Activity: 1862

Merit: 1530

Self made HODLER ✓

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: tranthidung on September 04, 2020, 03:15:25 AM

The forum is the bitcoin forum and the Bitcoin Wall Observer thread is unique on the forum. It's the place to visit for bitcoin enthusiasts.

Signature is disabled in Wall Observer thread and posters can not get their post quota in WO. No advertisement in WO.
People can complain about how merit is distributed in WO but please remember that even if you earn thousand of merit in WO but you simply earn it from shitposts and you are a shitposter, you will not get acceptances from managers of good campaigns. It makes sense to stop complaining about merit in WO.

Next, please read to know the history of Wall Observer thread:

In the last link you posted, the poll option "Transfer ownership of the current thread to someone active, and trust them to enforce on-topicness." Won the most amount of votes, and well clearly the on topicness is not very high, so i dont get what kind of arguement you are trying to make here, if anything you just supported me

You are not too good researching a subject, are you? Ok, will spoonfeed you: Keep reading the links provided. Maybe even a couple post beyond the OP... including the Theymos posts/clarifications.

NeuroticFish

legendary

Activity: 3668

Merit: 6382

Looking for campaign manager? Contact icopress!

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 03, 2020, 11:04:18 PM

This was my original motivation to write this thread

I think that the real motivation is jealousy.
WO is different from most of this forum and it's OK as it is.
Quite a number of people from there don't even read or post in the rest of the forum.
Quite some people from there don't even care about merits (long time legendaries).

So all this crying / useless drama only makes you ... look small.

PS. Merit is not everything.
PPS. Beware, addiction to Facebook likes is studied as disorder, try to not get something similar about merits.

bitserve

legendary

Activity: 1862

Merit: 1530

Self made HODLER ✓

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Poker Player on September 04, 2020, 03:01:40 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Last of the V8s on September 04, 2020, 02:38:49 AM

It was a conditional statement.
There's no need for any change. It's harmless.

id say the majority of merit being holed up and distributed within a single thread is pretty harmful Undecided

Most threads last a day or two at most. That thread has been going on for years, so your categorical statement does not make sense.

the difference is that in WO if you are a member of the upper echelon you can get merited for posting ameme that has absolutely nothing to do with bitcoin! far from bitcoin price discussion dont you think

This (yours not WO) thread would be completely worthless except for that "upper echelon" meme worthy statement. We had Wealthy Elite before, now we have Upper Echelon too. Thanks whinyboy.

gappie

member

Activity: 65

Merit: 121

The WO thread is the ONLY thread I have been visiting for many years now on bitcointalk.org. I always have a tab open in my browser and try and keep up to date on the pages of posts. I don't post often there, although I read it on a weekly basis. I have been visiting bitcointalk since 2011, although my username was only registered in 2013. There are many of us who find comfort in reading WO when the HODL gets tough and celebrate together when the bull gets going. The merits are also useful to identify the quality posts from the perspective of like minded WO readers when scanning pages of posts trying to catch up to the latest posts. If you remove WO thread, you kill bitcointalk.org for me and others.

Cryptotourist

hero member

Activity: 1190

Merit: 755

Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis

Love your recommended exchanges btw.
I think you should delete them, and put Bitstamp and Kraken instead.

In fact, I demand that you do. Your choice of exchanges is toxic.

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

The forum is the bitcoin forum and the Bitcoin Wall Observer thread is unique on the forum. It's the place to visit for bitcoin enthusiasts.

Signature is disabled in Wall Observer thread and posters can not get their post quota in WO. No advertisement in WO.
People can complain about how merit is distributed in WO but please remember that even if you earn thousand of merit in WO but you simply earn it from shitposts and you are a shitposter, you will not get acceptances from managers of good campaigns. It makes sense to stop complaining about merit in WO.

Next, please read to know the history of Wall Observer thread:

Edit:
I appreciate them that they have kept their market observations despite of what's going on the market. Pump or dump, bull or bear they still keep their observation going/

Poker Player

legendary

Activity: 1372

Merit: 2017

Quote from: ?? on ??

id say the majority of merit being holed up and distributed within a single thread is pretty harmful Undecided

Most threads last a day or two at most. That thread has been going on for years, so your categorical statement does not make sense.

Karartma1

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 1422

I wonder why people always remembers of the Wall Observer thread during heavy market conditions. Why don't you come hanging out when the market is doing sideways? You guys could find some good pearls in it.
I know it's hard to keep up with the overall thread speed but most of the times the WO is the place to get first hand news, tips and tricks about Bitcoin.
If you don't like it, just do not post inside. And we will be friends.

Last of the V8s

legendary

Activity: 1652

Merit: 4392

Be a bank

oh god now cue the statisticians. can't bear those people personally. very dry sticks imo

Last of the V8s

legendary

Activity: 1652

Merit: 4392

Be a bank

It was a conditional statement.
There's no need for any change. It's harmless.

Last of the V8s

legendary

Activity: 1652

Merit: 4392

Be a bank

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Last of the V8s on September 04, 2020, 02:24:29 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Lauda on September 04, 2020, 02:10:13 AM

It is a very easy way for the inner circle to farm merits by content which would otherwise get you banned for posting it in that quality and quantity elsewhere. The way they are, things have always been.

exactly, if i were to merit my friends memes on a offtopic thread and vice versa, id very likely get flagged and distrusted by everyone, but somehow its fine in WO

that's the spirit

I hope you realize you are basically admitting to merit farming

I said before, it seems a low priority for the admin. If he wants to, he can change it and I for one will be willing to adapt. Until then, and it seems unlikely to happen, your whining is just that.

Last of the V8s

legendary

Activity: 1652

Merit: 4392

Be a bank

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Lauda on September 04, 2020, 02:10:13 AM

It is a very easy way for the inner circle to farm merits by content which would otherwise get you banned for posting it in that quality and quantity elsewhere. The way they are, things have always been.

exactly, if i were to merit my friends memes on a offtopic thread and vice versa, id very likely get flagged and distrusted by everyone, but somehow its fine in WO

that's the spirit

P_Shep

legendary

Activity: 1795

Merit: 1208

This is not OK.

LoL @ this thread. Cheesy

Some things, SwayStar, are bigger than you. Roll Eyes

Lauda

legendary

Activity: 2674

Merit: 2965

Terminated.

It is a very easy way for the inner circle to farm merits by content which would otherwise get you banned for posting it in that quality and quantity elsewhere. The way they are, things have always been.

Last of the V8s

legendary

Activity: 1652

Merit: 4392

Be a bank

Quote from: infofront on April 16, 2013, 05:32:22 PM

Disclaimer: All posts in this thread are for entertainment purposes only.

this covers it fine.

the new rules are somewhere in meta, you could search for them

special rules for special people. so unfair

Last of the V8s

legendary

Activity: 1652

Merit: 4392

Be a bank

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: aesma on September 04, 2020, 01:38:16 AM

While participants of the thread are mostly bullish, they're bullish about BTC, not just the price. You can discuss the day to day moves in the price (purpose of the thread), news about BTC in general, and express bearish sentiments after a while, you can't just do it like dumping a shit on a doorstep "BTC will go to 0" and expect to be welcomed.

i never said bitcoin is going to 0 or anything like that, i only made a few small time frame TA, which was for the day to day movement in price, sufficient to say they were not pleased. The purpose of the thread is to discuss the day to day price movements, i agree with you on that, but the community members there dont, theres barely any TA there apart from the TA that toxic2040 posts, its mostly just jokes and chitchat

That's the original purpose of the thread (roughly). The original post has been preserved out of respect for the former original poster. The purpose now after the rule change is much more liberal; jokes, chitchat and calling people a doofus are all positively encouraged. Price talk is also welcome.

Which you would know if you had done any research.

Poker Player

legendary

Activity: 1372

Merit: 2017

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Poker Player on September 04, 2020, 01:32:58 AM

But on that thread signatures are not displayed so I don't think they are getting paid for their posts there.

A question for veteran members: did that thread change a lot since the merit system was introduced? If so, it means OP is right, if not, OP is wrong.

Asking WO members to prove themselves guilty is quite a pointless task dont you think Tongue

I'm not asking just WO members. I am asking all veterans.

aesma

hero member

Activity: 2548

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fly or die

While participants of the thread are mostly bullish, they're bullish about BTC, not just the price. You can discuss the day to day moves in the price (purpose of the thread), news about BTC in general, and express bearish sentiments after a while, you can't just do it like dumping a shit on a doorstep "BTC will go to 0" and expect to be welcomed.

Poker Player

legendary

Activity: 1372

Merit: 2017

When I go to the WO thread I only see people enjoying themselves and this makes the thread unique. It seems to me it is a much better thread than most threads on the Bitcoin Discussion or Gambling sections.

As for you analysis on merit, AFAIK, merit is not only given for quality posts it is many times for being funny and I see it is given for that reason there many times.

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 03, 2020, 11:04:18 PM

This basically means that merit has become insanely inflated in WBO and legendary rank has become relatively easy to earn, really demeaning the value of the rank, legendary rank was supposed to be reserved for people who get merited alot due to their contributions to this forum, but due to WBO, there have been alot of new legendaries who really just got alot of merits because they pleased the WBO community and participated in the echoing of their opinions between each other, This is problem is also exaggerated due to signature campaigns, legendary rank members can gain a very high price for their signature, which also rewards the members of WBO and provides them incentive to continue this practice.

But on that thread signatures are not displayed so I don't think they are getting paid for their posts there.

A question for veteran members: did that thread change a lot since the merit system was introduced? If so, it means OP is right, if not, OP is wrong.

Vectra

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Activity: 345

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Just tell them to fuck off whenever they try to bully you to post what they would like you to post or not post whatever they don't like you to post. And you can bet whatever you post someone will try it, so be prepared to send lot of fuck offs.

Last of the V8s

legendary

Activity: 1652

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Be a bank

Hello. Welcome to the world. It is not fair.

For example, there are special rules for that thread about topicality, ones you clearly haven't researched.

And we are indeed unfairly liberal with merit compared with other threads. This has come up many times, as you'd have found if you'd researched it before launching your self-destructive tirade, and the administration has never seen fit to react. It is just a low level priority it seems.

It is mostly that we merit people for their character and overall contribution more than their specific post, which is within the meriting guidelines. You'd know that if you'd researched it.

Not supplying you any links because #dyor

Cryptotourist

hero member

Activity: 1190

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Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis

Quote from: ?? on ??

this explains perfectly why i think WO is a toxic community which doesnt deserve its 11000+ merit

So, you think this is constructive in ANY way?
Merits, really? Talk about toxic.

You don't get to say your opinion on where I stick them. Makes sense?

goldkingcoiner

legendary

Activity: 2240

Merit: 1993

A Bitcoiner chooses. A slave obeys.

First of all, thank you for cherrypicking my comment. Roll Eyes

I think Bitcoin Wall Observer is a fascinating place to always keep track of what the price is doing and occasional banter or memes is given merit as everywhere else on Bitcointalk wherever people find posts that deserve merit.

Also,
I was defending against a troll spreading misinformation but ok. I never asked for the 2 merits.

How about this: We will make a new thread for you. We can call it charts only observer.

edit: oh and I do post TA. So don't think of me as some time wasting nocoiner.

edit 2: Roach? That you?

JSRAW

legendary

Activity: 2184

Merit: 1540

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Pffrt on September 03, 2020, 11:35:05 PM

Hello WO gang, although I'm not active here, I love to visit WO thread times to times and enjoy reading the posts.
Here is a thread about deleting this thread, I would love you guys to defend on why you think this thread should be here, immutune forever.
Should Bitcoin Wall Observer thread be deleted?

agreed, i am willing to change my opinion if there are any good arguements against it

Quoting my old reply to you during your first meltdown in WO.....

Quote from: JSRAW on May 10, 2020, 12:22:56 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Welp im glad i didnt listen to u all and kept my shorts open, im outta here now

Good for you Sway. I suggest stay and keep posting.

Thick skin + humility is key.. Just saying.

--------------------

If you are so insecure and can't take few insults in the internet, then Mr Sway_I know it all_Star...... Fuck off respectfully Tongue

, no one cares.

bitcoinPsycho

legendary

Activity: 2632

Merit: 2386

$120000 in 2024 Confirmed

Looks like a bad case of Merit Envy

envy

/ˈɛnvi/

noun

a feeling of discontented or resentful longing aroused by someone else's possessions, qualities, or luck.

"she felt a twinge of envy for the people on board"

Cryptotourist

hero member

Activity: 1190

Merit: 755

Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Cryptotourist on September 04, 2020, 12:46:17 AM

Goodness me, such swaying bullshit.
Only gets exponential outside the WO.
Now you know.

-∞ WO's merits

baseless insult.
no constructive criticism

-∞ WO's merits

Oh I'm sorry I insulted you sweetheart.
Baseless thread. Have a banana.

Cryptotourist

hero member

Activity: 1190

Merit: 755

Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis

Goodness me, such swaying bullshit.
Only gets exponential outside the WO.
Now you know.

-∞ WO's merits

explorer

legendary

Activity: 2016

Merit: 1259

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: explorer on September 04, 2020, 12:19:58 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: explorer on September 04, 2020, 12:10:46 AM

~snip~

but I am opposed to taking something away from a majority to appease a minority. Too much of THAT shit going on already.

What majority? I am proposing taking something away from the ~20 people that are active on the thread, in order to help the merit flow back into the entire forum, which is the majority.

Disabling merit on WO would help the majority

What makes you think the same group won't congregate somewhere else, Barely disrupting the flow? Post your TA, with explanations. Be proven over time. You can't expect to just pop up with no history or rapport and bask in glowing praise for your vision. Every poster there started with their first post. True, its more of a news/hangout these days, but there will be more TA when more TA is posted. If that is your goal, get started, and don't quit after your first try.

explorer

legendary

Activity: 2016

Merit: 1259

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: explorer on September 04, 2020, 12:10:46 AM

WO frequent posters (a small number, as earlier referenced) tend to be rabidly anti alt and anti bear. Always been that way. I doubt a blind vote would skew that way, but I don't really care. I guess we could start WO3, with the same high morals WO2 strove for before it was shut down( and started again) but it always ends up the way it is. Embrace it. or don't. Shutting it down because you don't like it or understand it is probably not happening.

Start your own thread with more sober content. If you are after praise, post praiseworthy ~~memes~~ content.

Shutting it down wont work, your right, perhaps merit should be disabled on the thread instead

Funny, I thought it had been, at some point, but I can't remember. I couldn't give 2 shits about merit points one way or the other, but I am opposed to taking something away from a majority to appease a minority. Too much of THAT shit going on already.

pooya87

legendary

Activity: 3472

Merit: 10611

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 03, 2020, 11:04:18 PM

but if you post ANY bearish TA on the thread, you will be absolutely ostracized,

well if people don't want to see others criticize, oppose or even attack their opinions then they shouldn't have posted them on the internet in first place. specially in such a controversial matter such as Technical Analysis which is not reliable to begin with, not to mention posting a bearish TA during a bull market but that's another discussion (it is the same as being ostracized for posting a bullish TA in the first quarter of 2018 when bitcoin was in bearish mode).

as for merit and what else is going on there, merit is not moderated and people can give it to whoever they want for whatever reason they think is fit.

explorer

legendary

Activity: 2016

Merit: 1259

WO frequent posters (a small number, as earlier referenced) tend to be rabidly anti alt and anti bear. Always been that way. I doubt a blind vote would skew that way, but I don't really care. I guess we could start WO3, with the same high morals WO2 strove for before it was shut down( and started again) but it always ends up the way it is. Embrace it. or don't. Shutting it down because you don't like it or understand it is probably not happening.

Start your own thread with more sober content. If you are after praise, post praiseworthy ~~memes~~ content.

One thing to remember here, is that English is often not the first language of your target audience. Sarcasm and humor is often twisted or lost in translation...

Pffrt

sr. member

Activity: 1372

Merit: 322

Quote from: ?? on ??

The guy who made that post himself was a legendary in WO

Then that was a sarcastic post as they know there are some people who pretend to be WO thread lover and hunt for merits to achieve higher rank. I have seen a few people to receive merits from that thread but in reality they are just having focus to achieve the rank. Hope you got the sarcasm.

cryptoaddictchie

legendary

Activity: 2268

Merit: 1379

Fully Regulated Crypto Casino

Quote from: ?? on ??

Guide to becoming a bitcointalk legendary-
1. Hangout on Wall Observer thread

Im sure the WO guys are not created for merit farming. Those who tried to post there are mostly failed to grab some merits. Especially its a trading hub for people who are really into trading. Im beginning to wonder why you think that hanging out there would gain some merits to rank up.

Quote from: ?? on ??

Perhaps merit should be disabled on that thread? it has become sort of a big issue that needs an answer, people are getting merited for posting memes

I dont think there is something wrong there. People merited some for humor also not just quality post. If they found it meritable then its not a problem. Merit isnt moderated and WO is a very old thread that has been respected by most users here.

cabalism13

legendary

Activity: 1428

Merit: 1166

🤩Finally Married🤩

Quote from: ?? on ??

people are getting merited for posting memes

Not a bad thing IMO. Besides Memes in majority are used to express many things in funny way that is, but for the what nots that you're referring, that could be the one I'm opposing with.
Anyways, in majority on WO, there are less things to be considered abuse... Don't get me wrong here, somethings should be left as is.

Pffrt

sr. member

Activity: 1372

Merit: 322

At least, active poster in WO thread are the real interested users/investors of bitcoin. Others outside WO thread are just here to get few bucks (most cases) by participating in signature campaign. Who are better? Of course WO gang in my opinion. They do not write shit for filling requirements of signature campaign, rather they post shit (may be or may not be) because they enjoy posting here.

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 03, 2020, 11:04:18 PM

"Guide to becoming a bitcointalk legendary-
1. Hangout on Wall Observer thread

I believe whoever has posted that was sarcastic or jealous of not getting merit. Sarcastic because WO gang knows there are some people who lurk in WO thread to hunt merits.
A side note- Very few I mean very very few people from WO thread participates in signature campaign. So, merit is just a number to them.

cabalism13

legendary

Activity: 1428

Merit: 1166

🤩Finally Married🤩

Quote from: SwayStar123 on September 03, 2020, 11:04:18 PM

"Guide to becoming a bitcointalk legendary-
1. Hangout on Wall Observer thread

🤔🤔🤔
I reached Legendary without hangin out on that thread.

Also its been years already for the WO, so basically it won't get deleted. Even if you're seeing some large Merit Circulation on that thread, well it does goes with senses and how they're understanding each other. But yeah, it's true that Merit should be atleast be given to Posts that has Qualities, but we really can't moderate this kind of things, just let them be IMO. If the admin sees it wrong he would just go and remove Merits into that page.

SwayStar123

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Quote from: sirazimuth on August 26, 2020, 04:25:05 PM

Congrats to both JSRAW and d_eddie. Well deserved and welcome to the club.
Toxic on deck.

Lesson 1 on how to become a bitcointalk legendary...

-Hang out in the wob thread.
-don't spam,
-don't commit shitcoinery....
-and don't be a dick.

(I know... I can be a dick, but I was grandfathered in...)

This was my original motivation to write this thread, I have not engaged in the BWO thread much, but from my limited engagement of that thread, I can tell it was an extremely toxic community, its hard enough to get into their community of <20 people, but if you post ANY bearish TA on the thread, you will be absolutely ostracized, especially if you are not part of their upper echelon. So I have come here to make my case on whether or not this community really deserves their 11000+ merits that has been circulating between each other.

Lets look at original intent of the Wall Observer thread and how it holds up now

Quote from: infofront on April 16, 2013, 05:32:22 PM

Wall Observer
A free service brought to you by the bitcoin community

Whenever there is a significant change in market depth, please update this thread with a new depth chart, and a good price chart with some TA is also welcome, feel free to comment on these if you have something to worth contributing, ( if your post is not at all TA it will be deleted )

Posting guild lines:
Please lets keep this thread clean. ( I will be removing any off topic posts )
Do not post random comments on this thread, unless it is directly related to the last wall update (ex. The 20K ask was was NOT sold into, it was removed after being tested)
When you post a chart please use bitcoincharts.com, mtgoxlive.com, btccharts.com or bitcoinity.com (This information may be out of date)

Recommendations
Do: Post TA and news items related to Bitcoin, engage in friendly debate and banter, ignore people who offend or insult you
Don't: Be a drama queen

lets look at the first line for now

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 03, 2018, 11:09:30 PM

What is Merit?

Merit is a new system created in order to reward quality contributions to the forum.

The original purpose of merit was to reward quality contributions to this forum... Let us now see how this holds up on BWO

I will now share the last few merited posts from WBO, im not gonna be picking and choosing.

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on September 03, 2020, 08:00:31 PM

Quote from: proudhon on September 03, 2020, 06:35:31 PM

Once more for the people in the back...bitcoin cannot sustain prices greater than $10k. It's nothing more than a fantasy. Proven by science and maths.

Idiots like you is why I am proud of having suffered through an actual physics degree instead of lying to people on internet forums about what math and science have "proven". And I think you meant to say disproven. Because the first thing they tell young scientists: you cannot prove something. You can only disprove something.

2 merits, irrelevant to bitcoin price, does not add anything to the actual arguement for any price movement, and is mostly just random. I would not deem this a quality contribution.

Quote from: strawbs on September 03, 2020, 07:31:33 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 03, 2020, 06:38:06 PM

Quote from: proudhon on September 03, 2020, 06:35:31 PM

Once more for the people in the back...bitcoin cannot sustain prices greater than $10k. It's nothing more than a fantasy. Proven by science and maths.

Finally!!!!!!

A positive sign.

aka... proudhon

Wink

This never really gets old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7TuFy0fcuw

The proudhon song (bitcoin is a bubble)

1 merit, again irrelevant to bitcoin price, its just mainly banter, i dont see how this would qualify as a quality contribution.

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 03, 2020, 06:38:06 PM

Quote from: proudhon on September 03, 2020, 06:35:31 PM

Once more for the people in the back...bitcoin cannot sustain prices greater than $10k. It's nothing more than a fantasy. Proven by science and maths.

Finally!!!!!!

A positive sign.

aka... proudhon

Wink

1 merit, once again, just banter

Well i think you get the point, lets now look at the merit flow for one of the WBO regulars..

this is not an isolated case, nearly all the WBO regulars get all their merit from WBO and send all their merit back into WBO, this is basically due to a feedback loop, WBO members meriting each other because "haha funny joke" rather than any posts being of actual significance which add something to the discussion or forum

This basically means that merit has become insanely inflated in WBO and legendary rank has become relatively easy to earn, really demeaning the value of the rank, legendary rank was supposed to be reserved for people who get merited alot due to their contributions to this forum, but due to WBO, there have been alot of new legendaries who really just got alot of merits because they pleased the WBO community and participated in the echoing of their opinions between each other, This is problem is also exaggerated due to signature campaigns, legendary rank members can gain a very high price for their signature, which also rewards the members of WBO and provides them incentive to continue this practice.

If any of you disagree with me and think im wrong for any reasons, feel free to reply here, I would like to hear your arguements.

edit: changed title from "Should bitcoin wall observer thread be deleted" to "should merit be disabled on bitcoin wall observer"

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