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Topic: Should merit be disabled on Bitcoin Wall Observer? (Read 1478 times)

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closing the thread wouldnt do much as they can just make a new thread, thats why i went from "should we delete" to "should we disable merit on WO"

Even if we all voted "yes," I don't think theymos would change it. It could be a bit more work than he wants to do, plus it doesn't make much sense, plus there's no way everybody would vote yes in the first place, plus there won't be an official vote on the matter.

I feel like you are still operating under the assumption that this statement is true because nobody bothered to correct you:

id say the majority of merit being holed up and distributed within a single thread is pretty harmful  Undecided

This isn't true -- not by a longshot.

According to the official Merit sources stats:

massive merit inflation on WO

Uh... merit is deflationary... I don't think you even understand what the concept of "inflation" means. We'd need to sucker more merit sources into WO culture at an exponential rate in order for merit to be truly "inflationary."

Stop and take a breath unless your goal is to have 100 merits before you go to sleep, which might very well be possible.

You know what thats actually a good arguement for once, thank you, your quite right on that part

Although on the merit inflation subject, even though merit is technically deflationary you can still exchange your merit between each other in order to double the total merit on a user, ie if 2 users had 100 merit (so 50 smerit) they could both merit each other and end up with approx 199 merit and 0 smerits each. But now that you have made it clear for me that only 14% of newly generated merit goes to WO, i still think thats a large amount considering the type of content that is made there, but i suppose it was a much smaller issue than i imagined, it appears i was looking at the wrong figures (i was looking at the highest merited threads list)
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I kinda dont want the merits to spiral down and turn into glorified like buttons

The other thing is, to like someone's post, doesn't it automatically have to have something of substance that connects with you? I'm not going to merit something randomly, am I?
Yes but because of the massive merit inflation on WO, you can basically "like"(merit) every message you see, hence the memes which have nothing to do with bitcoin and such getting merited in WO, which just furthur increases the inflation problem
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Its not a hypothetical, people have been banned and flagged and distrusted for merit farming before.
There it is! The equivalence between 'merit farming' and the WO thread!

Tell me... what do these users without any merit-based incentives plan on doing with their merit other than to use it in the form of "likes" on the WO thread?

I kinda dont want the merits to spiral down and turn into glorified like buttons, thats kinda the point of stopping the inflation of merit in WO
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Your registration date is from mar 2018 and you are suggesting to close one of the best threads with the most visits Roll Eyes
 in a forum with:
55,085,986 Posts
1,259,723 Topics
2,834,026 Members
Check some of the WO profiles and look at the registration dates, some of them are part of Bitcointak and Bitcoin
Find another topic that is a real problem on the forum and help solve it,you will earn merits and recognition, it is a better idea than attacking WO Cheesy
Wall Observer has a life of its own
closing the thread wouldnt do much as they can just make a new thread, thats why i went from "should we delete" to "should we disable merit on WO"
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In that same scenario around 1000 sMerit got sent to Mr. Punkass for posting memes rather than being distributed on the rest of the forum.
Dope. That means that whoever sent the merit decided that it was a proper use of their merit.

Are you going to now start commandeering the merit system to restrict certain people from getting it? How about, let's prevent all Legendary users and above from receiving merit since it's clearly not going to the other members who obviously deserve it.

Thing is, if me and my friends did the same thing but outside of WO we would definitely get banned, thats my problem here

What Lauda said sums it up well

It is a very easy way for the inner circle to farm merits by content which would otherwise get you banned for posting it in that quality and quantity elsewhere
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Scenario:
Some punk-ass loser posts memes all day in WO thread.
Punk-ass loser is trying to get merit in order to rank up so they can farm signature campaigns.
Punk-ass loser spends all his time on the WO thread since they maximize their merit.
Punk-ass loser has no useful posts outside of WO.
Punk-ass loser applies for signature campaign.
Punk-ass loser does not get in.
Usually, people can follow the flow of merit. If a user is accumulating merit and they produce shitty posts, the posts will be reported. If a user produces quality posts, then it is no longer a problem.

In that same scenario around 1000 sMerit got sent to Mr. Punkass for posting memes rather than being distributed on the rest of the forum.
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I was not the one who stated that WO would die without merit, it was eddie who thinks such
Like I said it's your inference that WO folks are somehow the embodiment of evil short cutting that hasn't gone down well.

Well considering half of them came here to tell me to fuck off rather than actually make any points i still think im right to call most of WO toxic
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Why only BWO thread when similar "problem" also happened on other places such as Meta section or any threads where someone makes good joke/meme that reflect actual condition?

Even theymos give merit to memes and artwork (9991 merit according to https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52793373)

bruh that entire thread was about art, so it makes sense for art to be posted there

On 1st page, you're quoting theymos quote about merit purpose to to reward quality contributions. So my question is, does artwork have significant contribution?

It was an art contest, so obviously art is going to be a quality contribution. I dont understand what your getting at here  Huh
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tell that to your fellow WO member not me
The merit stuff is a fun addition that they make liberal use of for their own amusement, not the be all and end all. If it was gone the conversation would continue in the exact same way. The conversation would be the same if it had never existed, but there would be no asshole no marks making an occasional appearance fishing for merit.

exactly so disabling merit would not hinder the preexisting WO community at all, i have an issue with the over inflation of merit on WO, and you also seem to have some problems with people coming and trying to fish for merit, disabling merit would solve both of our issues

I was not the one who stated that WO would die without merit, it was eddie who thinks such
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If removing merits causes WO to die then am i not correct to assume its a merit farming factory?
It wouldn't make any difference at all.

tell that to your fellow WO member not me
We already know

Apparently eddie doesnt agree

Disable merits?
Kill the Wall Observer thread?
Can't see it happen.




#haiku
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The fact that we throw merits at each other the way we do (many of us are Merit Sources) is none of your fucking business. It's a community unto itself, on Bitcointalk.
Its the business of this entire forum, and i am trying to bring attention to it

Who the fuck died and made you Theymos ?

Ignoring you now.

Fuck off, and buh-bye.

since when do you need to be theymos in order to think of the forum  Huh
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If removing merits causes WO to die then am i not correct to assume its a merit farming factory?
It wouldn't make any difference at all.

tell that to your fellow WO member not me
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SwayStar123 shifting the goalposts from "Should we delete the thread" to "Should we disable merit in thread" speaks volumes to his true grievance. He's jealous of our fruitty little hat gang.
Yes your right, my true grievance is the massive inflation of merit in WO, i couldnt care less if the thread stayed up if the merit issues are fixed

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Just fuck off to Reddit or something. Who the fuck are you to dictate what happens in one of the most interesting threads on these forums ?
If what some of you are saying is true (you dont care about merit) that would change absolutely nothing to the thread

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Maybe instead of complaining about the Wall Observer thread, you could have tried to add something to it other than your tears.
I posted infrequently on WO before, if all i was after was merit I would never had made this thread, it wouldve been in my best interest to continue posting.

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The fact that we throw merits at each other the way we do (many of us are Merit Sources) is none of your fucking business. It's a community unto itself, on Bitcointalk.
Its the business of this entire forum, and i am trying to bring attention to it
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Merit: 147
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Its pity, cause imo this thread is nothing more as an attempt for merit fishing and attention seeking....

Just try to create something thats about BTC or helpful for this place.

If i wanted merit I wouldve just participated in WO and tried to farm merit that way

No that where you're wrong... if thats the only reason, you would be detected and receiving way less as you would think.

The WO isn't filled with idiots, keep that in mind, most of them are people with a lot of knowledge and very very good in detecting abusers of systems, as they are all contributors for a healthy and good working environment.

Don't just think I participate there and merit will follow.

What I was posted was getting merits, if i was solely after merits why would i have stopped? You say that you would have caught me if i was solely after merits but thats alot easier to say than do
legendary
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closing the thread wouldnt do much as they can just make a new thread, thats why i went from "should we delete" to "should we disable merit on WO"

Even if we all voted "yes," I don't think theymos would change it. It could be a bit more work than he wants to do, plus it doesn't make much sense, plus there's no way everybody would vote yes in the first place, plus there won't be an official vote on the matter.

I feel like you are still operating under the assumption that this statement is true because nobody bothered to correct you:

id say the majority of merit being holed up and distributed within a single thread is pretty harmful  Undecided

This isn't true -- not by a longshot.

According to the official Merit sources stats:

massive merit inflation on WO

Uh... merit is deflationary... I don't think you even understand what the concept of "inflation" means. We'd need to sucker more merit sources into WO culture at an exponential rate in order for merit to be truly "inflationary."

Stop and take a breath unless your goal is to have 100 merits before you go to sleep, which might very well be possible.
member
Activity: 564
Merit: 50
Isnt the fact that "signatures are not shown in WO and it is impossible to spam in this megathread for signature campaign" enough?
Merit is not moderated. Anyone can merit anything, even posts with single pictures, bounty reports and proof of registration. It is they own will. So why disabling merit in WO ?

First we disable merit in WO, then we hide members reputation in Goods, Services and Lending. Mark my words Cheesy
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Merit: 2510
Spear the bees
Yes but because of the massive merit inflation on WO, you can basically "like"(merit) every message you see, hence the memes which have nothing to do with bitcoin and such getting merited in WO, which just furthur increases the inflation problem
Just to toss a stick in the pile.
If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.
This one should relate to those cases you mentioned.

Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that. You don't need to stress about it or defend yourself constantly. It's conceivable that someday you and I will end up disagreeing too much about this stuff and I'll remove your source status, but it's really not a big deal.
And this is on merit sources, but it seems general enough to apply to most people. After all, the standards of those that are sources vs. those that are not (in a perfect world) would be equally high.
legendary
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I think we should cancel the rest of the forum and leave only the WO thread so that there is less confusion what this forum is about.
legendary
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BTC + Crossfit, living life.
My dude hat says so....

Flying for BTC-ATH mean’t merit ATH  Kiss
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Merit: 2510
Spear the bees
I kinda dont want the merits to spiral down and turn into glorified like buttons, thats kinda the point of stopping the inflation of merit in WO
Kind of too late for that. People aren't given restrictions on merit, and therefore merit can be sent arbitrarily. I don't tag anymore for merit abuse except in clear-cut egregious cases because of that fact: you cannot accurately determine subjective values via merit resulting in an excess of merit from circumstantial evidence resulting in a conclusion of abuse.

The other thing is, to like someone's post, doesn't it automatically have to have something of substance that connects with you? I'm not going to merit something randomly, am I?
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