Topic: Should merit system be kept? (Read 1561 times)

Unfortunately this is the one way to reduce the quantity of low-quality posts on this forum.

The rest of us need to get behind it. If only sr plus members are getting merit then so be it, at least it is being used

I'm just quoting what theymos already said:
I'm not sure why all these spammers are against Merit system :/

The shitposting platoon will never see (or reap) the benefits, and they will forever feel persecuted and discriminated against, and for as long as they're around, they'll keep making theads to voice their frustration--but they'll also never figure out that it's because they keep posting unintelligible garbage in spam threads that nobody is ever going to read.  That's the uncomfortable truth.

I'd also like to reinforce something that Vod has said, which is that it's too early to tell whether the merit system is going to weed out shitposters and account farmers, or to what extent. 

Everyone is still getting used to the system, but I do think these fools are going to realize the futility of just mindlessly shitposting, that bitcointalk ain't what it used to be.   That'll take some time--maybe months, or even a year.  It's too early to assess the benefits and waaay too early to declare failure.

Yes, i don't understand for what they do this but i'm watching an army of newbies attacking the forum by low-quality posts)) And yes, i think such votes will not have enough influence for to broke up merit system, but the system definitely have to be improved. Hope that it will be soon coz i don't see that people merit each ether for good content, they all just keep saving their sMerits or give it to their multiaccounts. And this thread may be just a trying to collect a few merits too))

It is desirable to provide more summary statistics: rank - the ratio of the pros and cons of people of this rank! This way users can evaluate who wants to leave the system-beginners or old users!

But there will be no use even if they continuous to do so with new and Jr.member accounts.The only way to increase the quality posts by merits system and I like the system too but in the system some changes will be made in the future but I don't think it will be completely taken off again.

Yeah still there is no changes but there will be changes will comen when the time passes shit posters will fade away once they can't join in the signature campaigns.So lets wait for the new system to do its work.

I think that the merit system must be kept, else too many people on the forum will be Legendary in the near future. Yes, the accepted rules is pretty severe, but we all need to observe a subordination, because the old users made this forum founded by Satoshi Nakamoto grow during ten years. The bounty signature campaigns is not a primary reason why we are here. This forum is the best source of information concerned to cryptocurrencies and is even the good marketplace to buy or sell coins.

i didn't support this system from the first day and respect people who have their own opinion and not just do what was said to them by high-ranked members.
And of course i don't see any benefits of merits, the quantity of low-quality posts didn't reduce and instead that we are watching thousands of newbies which are making very low-quality posts for to rank-up to Jr.'s and than they register new accounts and do this again and again)

I think the merit system should be kept even though it does make it harder to "rank up".  I believe that was part of the reason it was put in place.  This forum does get quite crowded with poor quality posts, and to the extent that those posts are made solely to rank up, the merit system will help alleviate that problem.  I view that as a positive as there are some really good discussions on here and it will be easier to find them without all the garbage posts.

Over some period of time, as long as people keep rewarding good posts with merit, the kinks should work themselves out.  The initial distribution would have had problems no matter how it was done, there's an adjustment period of any change of this nature.  I just think that the moderators and management should keep an eye on how it's being used over time, and make adjustments if needed.

It looks like they're doing that, when my organization profile, BTRIC, bought the copper membership it was so it could post images and have a signature.  When the merit system came into place, the link part of the signature stopped working but it seems to be enabled again.

One thing that I learned about BCT is that I should have made an account long ago.  I've been dabbling in crypto here and there for years and a long-time lurker of this board, well before I made an account.  I'm sure there are many others that did the same.  So when I made the account for BTRIC I did it pretty much as soon as I formed the organization.

Best regards,
Ben

Nice try, already voted and hope that it will help for administration to make a right decision.

Hi guys, what I see at the moment: 27% on and 73% is not.
More than 2/3 of the number voted against such a system of dignity. I see that 27% basically includes already established on the forum of personality, but think about the fact that if there were not the remaining 2/3 who vote against - our forum would only get worse .
P.S. Enter then and the system of negative actions, so that there is a balance

"the well-fed don't understand the hungry" Russian proverb

we all started with a set number - total newbies 0.. Legendary members got 1K... oh and I see VOD has amassed a further 300 merit.. that's not from shitposting is it fella?

Excuse me?  I've spend the last five years of my life making this forum a better place.  I was busting scammers when you were discovering you had fingers and toes.

I deserve recognition and privilege for my sacrifice.  I don't get paid you know!

And again question. Why actually they need to rank up? Why do people care about it so much?
The answer is obvious. Signature camp ... and if this is the main aim then such people are not welcome here.

I don't have any problem to sacrifice my rank as I don't need it ...  putting links in signature and posting pictures is sufficient for me.

I would have smashed your face, but Zarathustra did not allow it.

It is obvious that people, that allready have rank member+ likes merit system - prise of signature and bounty bonus is higher.  Newbies with new system lose the opportunity to get at least a full member.

Ha! look at the poll: No ( ) with 97 votes..the shitposters spammers are having a hard time ranking up, arent' they? funny thing is, they probably think something's gonna change because of the poll results  

fixed.

the only thing that makes a 'forum rank' any relevant is a sig campaign, other than that, they hold no value whatsoever. So, if you're here to talk about bitcoin and other stuff, you shouldn't have a problem with the merit system or how nearly impossible it is to to rank up. If you still care about ranks, then make an effort to write quality posts, simple as that.

Merit is great - we need to bow down to the merit gods...

Hillarious is catching multi account farmers. Pajeet posters are moaning - QS is having to change his tampon every 30 seconds.. all is well in Bitcointalk....

long live merit

I think this is useless if admins change the new rule in merit system into this rules the account farmers will have feast if they know.
The merit system is okay but if ever they change the rule i can suggest that lower the required amount of smerit receive in able to rank up, yes you are right it is hard now to achieved that requirements in order to rank up.
I admitted my self here that i also poor in english comprehension because that was not my native language but i tried to have a good looking post even if not much constructive. 

My 2 newbie cents here. Merit would be indeed great if it was given objectively by the system, which is now how it works now. It is given on a whim by people how like a post or not, I have seen many that do not deserve any merit and many that do, that are correct and detailed answers to someone's problem that go unmerited. It needs to be changed to be fairer if not removed. It does not stop spam if that was what it was meant for but makes 90% of people remain Jr Members forever imho.


Not really, ranking higher is a form of making money derived from signature bounties, it seems by the number of people that use them at least.

I say YES it should be kept. Continuous complains of many users just proves it works well. If anything I would rather remove whole rank system.

It's simple: We should be here to discuss, share info, teach and learn from each other .. not to hunt glorious hero or legendary ranks (it' sounds good but it's actually meaningless/misleading).

If you guys really think that everybody who deserves merit will get it - you are wrong! Ranking up becomes nearly impossible for some users. I also do not notice much higher posting quality in the forum following the merit system. The only new thing is people daily bashing and praising the merit system and a ton of newbies asking how to get merit.

I am ok with the merit system staying if the requirements for merit are lowered a bit.

I certainly do not oppose raising the grade, I also participate in campaigns bounty) I Think that over time I have and increase. I also don't enjoy a lot of spam on the forum, I'm trying not to abuse it. Not let us be much more widespread, I think we understood each other. You really are a worthy opponent and many should learn from You)

I think that is pretty obvious. Thank you.

The main flaw with your argument is that: Normal users who can post constructively isn't suffering. Even if they aren't given merits, they don't care about their rank. The only people caring about it is account farmers and those who eagerly wants to join a signature campaign but can't contribute actively. There is an issue if you care about your rank so much.

In my opinion, the system is good and it is working. The forum is for people who truly wants to engage in conversations regarding Bitcoins and cryptocurrency in general. It isn't a place for people to post rubbish and spam up the forum with gunk. If you don't like the merit system, you probably are more interested in ranking up than discussion on Bitcoin.

I'm not advocating Merits and do not complain about the lack of them) You misunderstood me. I just don't think the system is good and expressed his opinion. But for some reason many took this aggressive)))

Anyhow, that isn't an excuse for you to receive merits for them. Someone in the Russian subforum might give it to you but I personally wouldn't.

The way I see it, you seem to be extremely sensitive with your rank. If you can post constructively, you would probably rank up the same time as you get your merit. But alas, we both know it isn't going to happen with your current state of posts.

I mean posts in topics Airdrops. Such messages I have very little. I may not know English very well, but I'm trying to learn it. I have a lot of useful posts, but alas, it was rewarded only one of them.

opponents? this place is for BTC.. I was reading this place when there was only BTC/LTC/FTC and PPC.. BTC-E was the height of altcoin trading and we were all getting scammed investing in securities.

I have every right to mug off account farming scum, if it wasnt for them then sig campaigns would be higher - there would be less shady ICO's and we wouldn't have to trawl through pages of..

yes Bitcoin is great, bitcoin feeds my kids, bitcoin is new but i love it..

all that shit would be gone, the rest of us could then trade, invest and chat in a great environment

There's no need to write interesting posts. Your posts are neither interesting nor constructive. It's no wonder you're complaining so much about the merit system. It shouldn't work for those unable to post constructively. I fail to see how would you gain by asking that to every airdrop that you see. If you can't produce a single constructive post, you have no rights to be complaining about systems that are supposed to fix this problem.

I wouldn't want to see people starting to copy and paste the same stuff over and over again while wearing a signature.
Sweet. His plan is backfiring.

This posts in Airdrops, there is no point to write interesting posts, so You're not really right)

Op sent a merit to an account that has the same registered date as him: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/maingtoled1958-1200534 Maingtoled1958 October 09, 2017

Coincidence? 


Yeah, there's huge amounts of farming going on with Russians. Chinese are the worst though as there's a Chinese farmer with hundreds if not thousands of accounts. He was botting them though in the Chinese section but once they hit their rank they migrate out of there to join campaigns. I don't have a full list of them but I've banned hundreds over the years and just found another batch of them (40+) because they're now farming merit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mass-merit-abusefarming-on-tubi-campaign-2998032

I think ur poll doesn’t help to change rules. But for sure Merit system is not so good idea for up rank. No one with high rank interesting to give merits and make competitors

but you are a spammy cunt...

no arguments needed - just the facts

I think the definition of spamming is to post something that is the exact same in consecutive posts:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--2992336
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30749357
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30702941
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--2057994
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30664893

I think we could take you seriously if you weren't speaking nonsense with zero statistics to back your points.
For what? What would we gain by giving merits to each other? I'm more compelled to give merits to those whom I truly feel deserves and a lot of them are Full member and below.
See the comments in this and similar topics? They are all made by people who can't post constructively and expect the red carpet to be laid out for them. Speak for yourself, the only reason why you are posting this is because you want to rank up for signature campaigns.
Okay, trust abuse isn't very nice though.

No one cares enough to give you a negative trust, to be honest.

OP: lock this thread by going to the bottom left. The thread has degraded to nothing but pointless arguments by shitposters and there is enough of similar thread to discuss in.

Really got some intresting answers here.











Thanks!

You are posting in the Russian section. You are a spammer. The same applies for multiple users in this thread. Data =/= attacking nationality. Go away already.

Attacks because of nationality? It seems to me that You have no arguments and therefore You acting like this)

Russian spammers are quite annoying. I'm waiting for someone to top the *~200 office employees* Russian spammer. Go whine somewhere else.

scumbags gonna scumbag... those 3rd world ballers got to earn those satoshi!

0.01 a week for a sig campaign x 20 accounts.. it soon adds up I guess, so much so that you would think they would evolve and learn English - at least then this place wouldn't be a cesspool of cancer posts

you write a good informative post, but no one says" thank you", especially not merit. High ranks put merit each other, they are not motivated to do it for others. See the comments in this topic. All high ranks agree with the system merit. But a year later this forum will not have many high ranks.
It's simple.The system of merit is protection against competitors in Signature companies

p.s. Do not be surprised if after this post I will put red trust

You just don't perceive the opinions of others that differ from yours and immediately call them spammers, it makes no sense to continue the discussion.

Stop spamming this thread with lies. Go away.

Lol, you said that simply because you can not contribute to the forum with high-qualitied posts; hence can not earn merit points. That's all. Keep spamming, complaining, crying about merit system; no one will pay attention to such a thread and never give it merits. Accept both the merit system and the fact. Good luck.

So I propose to encourage people not to freeze the rank of the bulk. It turns out because of spammers and suffer normal people, merity can earn very, very few)

IMHO, People interested in and interested in cryptocurrencies, in general, ranks are not are important). To write a good post, it is enough to have the necessary information, and to understand it. Just need diligence.

It's really unfortunate that we can't even hold an honest poll at this point. It was something like 20 votes Yes and 1 vote No last time I checked. Now all of the sudden it is overwhelmingly No, which tells me that the merit system has abusers on their heels. If the merit system is making a lot of people upset, well good, that was an expected outcome of this.

It's not like a poll of "public" opinion is going to matter, when it is the public we are attempting to adjust and improve; also, it matters less when the "public" could just be 3-people in total. The poll is irrelevant, and especially unfortunate when we can't even do that honestly.

What are you talking about? Are you mad? Merit system help the forum, makes it better day by day. Since it's launch, the system has performed well and demonstrated it's impacts on bitcointalk users, both lower- and higher-qualitied users to be more constructive.
Spammers seems to reduce posting spamming threads and might give up when they realize that they got nothing from spamming the forum. Account farmers feel hard to survive and keep their farm running. It is much more difficult for them to earn money from the forum.

Please check the date for that post. That time i even didn't knew the forum rules and even i made a another post recently about it and also i will never ever try it again. Also you can check my posts after that. I don't even look at the threads encouraging spam now. I just find various ICO projects intresting now and always try to go there. The post there can't be deleted so it is untill now but i have reported it to the moderator a way back. I always try to improve my mistake. Hope the forum and you too would like to give me a chance to prove my self.
Thanks.

I'm not sure whether you've noticed, but even OP is an account farmer: https://archive.fo/zbTtG. I just found this myself.

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So the no votes should be divided by 10 (guestimate at average farmer accounts) looking at that it's a surprising yes. Keep merit

People interested in and interested in cryptocurrencies don't necessarily have an opinion that coincides with Yours) Many of them do not have literary talent, but this should not make their people second-class citizens.

Shitposters and account farmers ganging up to vote No. What a joke this place has become.

"NO" voting will win. The reason is simple: very few people, who are really interested in crypto-currencies on the forum.

I do not like this system, I do not see the point of it. Who has a lot of merit and good grades consider themselves almost gods, few will crawl to them now. I fundamentally do not want to give anyone a measure now, I'm afraid, as a friend told me how he gave a measure to a person for the post he liked, he thanked all his posts in gratitude and also gave for what he liked, so both of them were painted in a red trust and called "multi" . On how many in the course, the disassembly does not give any results and to prove at this forum its validity in general is unrealistic. I found out that the forum has its own "mafia", which is called chezhoschikami, which everyone can accuse of anything, as someone can give them a measure for such work. It would be better if the forum made a normal appeal service and clear rules that you can write on the forum, do and what not.

Let's remove the signature campaigns and bounties. I'll be interested in seeing how the quality of post would be.
A simple scenario: Oh no, I don't agree with his point of view, DEMERIT HAMMER! / Oh no! I don't like him! DEMERIT HAMMER!

It's not easy for the community to function this way. It's a lot easier to find some of the more constructive posts than all of the shitposts. Either you get loads more whining or leave the mods with a huge mess to deal with.

The system Мerit only harms the forum and stimulates competitors to create an alternative. I think you need to reward truly useful and quality posts, possible early grades, and not to freeze grade 90%, as happened in fact with the introduction of merit points.

bright idea!

for ex., delete all posts with the bounty reports after paying tokens



I agree! Conditions for all must be equal! and to ban multiacc.

Just follow the rules, after all, it is a privilege to be actually here in this forum because we can really earn and learned a lot here and it is just the right thing to give them some quality post or information in return, after all, we live in a world where equivalent exchange is important in order to receive you must give something in returned first. And adjustment is a must.

Let's zero out the ranks, and see how the people on top again reach the legend.

IMHO merit system did not make forum better. We should have some system to prevent shitposters from make their work. Better to have anti-merit system. When you could give negative mark to a shit or useless posts. All know that more than half of all posts here is made for signature campaign. And a lot of this posts is useless for all. I know that there are possible to push 'report to moderator' on posts. But it can't be used for every seond posts at forum.
For example, if I read tread and see useless post I press 'useless' button. If 5 or 50 member or above  press this button post should be deleted at all. IMHO it will be cool.

I am concerned a great deal you have no idea what you are typing.. then again I am ecstatic we have the merit system in place as it fucks up shitposters like you as you will never level up..

Much love xxxx

Merit system is still developing and all of us are still adopting to this kind of change, merit system should be kept for me it motivates a lot of people here to post with quality but the problem is some people are selfish they don't appreciate quality post and keep their merits on their own, i mean they don't give away their merit they're just saving it for nothing. This is just my opinion.

Merit system has demonstrated its strong impacts on the forum users. No one can deny the fact, hence we should give merit system more time to be more matured (and, of course, several necessary adjustments). I strongly believe that such a amazing system will help us to keep the forum as clean as possible from spammers, fudders, shitt-posters. Let build it up as a place for discussions, for sharing knowledge, for helping each other.

I've found that the merit system has brought to my attention posts and posters that I have quite enjoyed reading and learning from. Even though to a degree this is an offshoot purpose of the system, as the primary is quality posts, I've found it to be the best output. While I havent been on the site for a decent period of time, I think that more shitposts and threads are started now than compared to pre-The System times. That includes newbie bashing that follows a good number of threads, I dont see that helping anyone but i guess it shows people that you care.

Two phrases that don't usually go together - "looking forward to" and "concern".

I suggest if you want to earn merit you stick to your local sub boards.  :/

I am very much looking forward to my concern for getting merit.

Which is so sad since Bitcoin Discussion used to be one of the most informative sections. 

I noticed the amount of sMerit sent at the start was incredible.  Then it tapered off as most people ran out.  So many good posts get ignored.

This is why I am hoping Theymos is staggering the dates for sMerit replenishment.  I'd like to see new Merits every day of the month. 

I just sent my last sMerit to jackg for an idea that I really liked, but I would have sent you multiple merits for this one, because you're right on the money here.  However, I do so enjoy the squealing from the shitposting crowd, and the deafening silence from theymos.  There have been some good suggestions for minor tweaks, but this system is pretty much fine as it is.

I for 1 am getting sick and tired of seeing 20 threads a week about merit. It was created for a reason. Get over it. It's supposed to make you push yourself to up the level of quality in your posts. If we just adjust the damn activity limits, then every shit poster who has been posting junk since joining will never have to change their habits and keep being paid for junk.

Look at most of the guys complaining about merit. Most of their posts are found in 3 sections of the forum. Bitcoin discussion, Trading discussion, Altcoin discussion. Usually in topics that offer 0 quality to the forum and usually just making their weekly post totals to be paid.

If you cannot make a quality post and earn merits, then maybe it's time to go out and get an actual job? Hate to be the prick here but this is the truth.

It seems that the merit system might not be good for the "general population", because it actually puts some personal responsibility and accountability onto the user for them to rank up. That being said, it seems that it is good for the forum and that would seem a better indicator of whether or not it should stay. As others have said, give it time, if after some time goes by and it appears that members which deserve merit/rank-ups are not receiving them, then it would be time for protest or adjustment.

The poll speaks for itself

Right now everyone is masturbating over "merit" and half the posts receiving merit are the ones talking about it.

Eventually, every single little point and example will be made, and people will move on to other subjects.   Might take another month though.  :/

Appreciated
But the problem which usually occurs is that most of the peoples just concentrate on getting smerits and they actually forget to send those forward. I am not against this system and also it would be a pleasure for me to accept this system but it would be great if the smerits would be shared approximately to good posters to really make this forum a better one with low scam percentage.
Also the merit system has just been started so perhaps it may take some time to settle up. Hope everything ends up well. Also i am aware thay the poll won't work due to account farmers, shitposters, etc as they would vote for their benefit and not for the forum but the amount of voters who insist to keep this system will prove that the merit system is really worth to be in circulation for the betterment of this forum.

I hate to have to keep repeating myself, but give the system a chance before you ask for it to be removed!

It's not hard to earn merit at all if you have the right mindset - someone who is interested in bitcoin.

Don't be in such a hurry to grow up - YONO - You only newbie once!

Yes.

FTFY.

Wrong. The opinion of the public, currently mainly consisting of shitposters, account traders, farmers and sockpuppets is not relevant.

Hello folks.


Because it is really hard for everyone here i guess to rank up. No matter what you think, please do vote above so that we could know the public response. Actually i noticed that not everyone is giving merits even for quality posts and that really makes being a reputed and higher rank member harder.
Instead, to avoid scam and protect the forum, the developers can adjust the activity level for each rank.

My suggestion to rank up is somehow common but can prove effective. Below should be the activity level to rankup without merits.

The above is just a suggestion and any kind of response will be appreciated.