Should miners collude to steal funds from wallet confiscated by US government? - page 6.

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Quote from: BTCLuke on October 07, 2013, 09:51:28 PM

You will have aggressed not only against my personal savings by trying to destroy the bitcoin network, but also the savings of every other bitcoiner alive, and ultimately humanity itself since bitcoin is what is going to help mankind survive the coming global turmoil.

So in my mind, conspiracy against the blockchain is literally WORSE than conspiracy to detonate a nuclear weapon.

You guys are batshit.

These are still internet funbux, no matter how "srs bizns" we want to get about it. We are not "there" yet, nothing "depends" on Bitcoin.

If you compare a 51% attack unfavorably to the thermonuclear vaporizing of millions of my fellow humans, you are a sociopath and asshat of the highest magnitude.

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Quote from: darkmule on October 08, 2013, 01:14:09 AM

Quote from: Gordon Bleu on October 07, 2013, 11:32:57 PM

Let's say you ordered something absolutetly legal, from a webshop, then webshop gets shut down your Money sized because the Webshop also sold Drugs, the FBI stole our Money and they will use cheap Tricks to keep it

you say DPR is bad guy, the Government did way worse they constructed a Case that wouldn't have happened
if the FEDS wasn't involved,

HOW MANY FUCKING GUVERNMENT SHILLS ARE IN THIS THREAD ?

i' am pro Steal Team 6, let's create some havoc

If anyone is a government shill, it is anyone urging people to participate in an illegal criminal conspiracy that cannot possibly end well. Agents provocateurs, anyone? Not that it's going to happen, or that anyone here is actually a provateur, since the scheme is so transparently idiotic that nobody in a position to do it (the mining pools) would actually do it. But anyone taking this seriously, rather than joking around about it, has clearly been consuming too many research chemicals from SR.

+1

The only ones that want the coins stolen is the little junkies that lost their drug money. Yeah, let's undermine the whole integrity of Bitcoin to please the butthurt druggies.

Mods please lock this dumb arse thread.

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Quote from: Gordon Bleu on October 07, 2013, 11:32:57 PM

Let's say you ordered something absolutetly legal, from a webshop, then webshop gets shut down your Money sized because the Webshop also sold Drugs, the FBI stole our Money and they will use cheap Tricks to keep it

you say DPR is bad guy, the Government did way worse they constructed a Case that wouldn't have happened
if the FEDS wasn't involved,

HOW MANY FUCKING GUVERNMENT SHILLS ARE IN THIS THREAD ?

i' am pro Steal Team 6, let's create some havoc

If anyone is a government shill, it is anyone urging people to participate in an illegal criminal conspiracy that cannot possibly end well. Agents provocateurs, anyone? Not that it's going to happen, or that anyone here is actually a provateur, since the scheme is so transparently idiotic that nobody in a position to do it (the mining pools) would actually do it. But anyone taking this seriously, rather than joking around about it, has clearly been consuming too many research chemicals from SR.

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Thank you to all the morons on this thread who are completely economically illiterate and just outed themselves as such... My "Ignore" list has been waiting for you for a long time.

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Has it occurred to anybody that maybe FBI is mining, and could process the transaction themselves? Hell, they may even be running a major pool for all we know.

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Quote from: ArticMine on October 07, 2013, 11:40:43 PM

Absolutely not. It is not the role of a Bitcoin miner to pass judgement on individual Bitcoin transactions and destroy Bitcoin in the process.
PS: I pledge the hash power under my control (two Avalons) against this insane scheme and ask other miners to do the same.

In my opinion, Bitcoins are a moral judgement. That aside, I agree that the mining network must remain neutral in how it processes transactions. Interference would only undermine Bitcoin. On the other hand, I personally do not have to accept any coins originating from certain addresses. If other people want to show their displeasure over Silk Road or anything else, they can refuse to accept those coins also. If everyone refuses to accept them, then those coins become worthless to the government but priceless to those who cherish their personal sovereignty.

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Absolutely not. It is not the role of a Bitcoin miner to pass judgement on individual Bitcoin transactions and destroy Bitcoin in the process.
PS: I pledge the hash power under my control (two Avalons) against this insane scheme and ask other miners to do the same.

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Let's say you ordered something absolutetly legal, from a webshop, then webshop gets shut down your Money sized because the Webshop also sold Drugs, the FBI stole our Money and they will use cheap Tricks to keep it

you say DPR is bad guy, the Government did way worse they constructed a Case that wouldn't have happened
if the FEDS wasn't involved,

HOW MANY FUCKING GUVERNMENT SHILLS ARE IN THIS THREAD ?

i' am pro Steal Team 6, let's create some havoc

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Quote from: wolverine.ks on October 06, 2013, 11:29:11 PM

51% or hard fork maybe. I'm sure it could be done with the top three pools pretty easily.

Oh... good explanation. I nominate you for president of the team which oversees this operation. I call it Steal Team 6.

Once the possibility of this is out I declare Bitcoins to be broken.

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Quote from: mb300sd on October 07, 2013, 02:18:08 AM

No, not steal it.

It would be funny to see all the major pools refuse to include any transactions to/from that address though... make them wait days/weeks for a confirmation

I think it would be hilarious if everyone banned those coins. Force the feds to launder the bitcoins in order to cash them out, that would be soooo frickin ironic.

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Let's see. Stealing fund from the wallet owned by the US government. That would help boost the legitimacy and credibility of Bitcoin how?

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Quote from: Rassah on October 07, 2013, 02:43:30 PM

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Quote from: Oldgamer on October 07, 2013, 11:05:33 AM

At first, who said that money is still there?

The block chain?

lol
money in a wallet, not chain
lol
And also, good luck to get money back if it is already converted
lol

Uh... wait... are you saying that money is currently being stored in a bitcoin wallet, and not in a bitcoin blockchain? Tongue

What I meant is control of the money.

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I believe in the NAP, & that means I will never initiate aggression against any of you nitwits...

But if I hear of some miners out there trying to start up a movement to conspire to steal coins, mark my words I will HUNT YOU DOWN AND KILL YOU ALL.

...Totally in defense.

You will have aggressed not only against my personal savings by trying to destroy the bitcoin network, but also the savings of every other bitcoiner alive, and ultimately humanity itself since bitcoin is what is going to help mankind survive the coming global turmoil.

So in my mind, conspiracy against the blockchain is literally WORSE than conspiracy to detonate a nuclear weapon.

Comprende? Don't even joke about this stuff.

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I vote NO!

I assume the feds wont be able to access most wallets and those coins will no longer be in circulation.
That means all other bitcoins becomes worth more since we will have 2,8% less coins in circulation, making each coin worth 2,8% more. (21M - 0.6M coins)

The scenario of miners stealing those 600K coins results in:
a) the seized coins will be transfered to a few miners, not to everyone - not fair.
b) it will hurt the goodwill of the bitcoin community if the action of 51% succeeds, what prevents the miners from doing it again?

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Quote from: DPoS on October 07, 2013, 12:01:05 AM

of course but we should use big magnets like in breaking bad

I support the big magnet approach.

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If they haven't been moved yet, just get DPR to divulge the key to someone he trusts for the non-personal wallets.

For his coins, if they were a brain wallet, they could just hold him until he remembers.

Quote from: Rassah on October 07, 2013, 11:20:25 AM

I think the coins should be stolen, but that it should be done using the good'ol method of simply stealing the private keys for that wallet. That may involve some more difficult work of actually hacking FBI's computers to find out where their keys are stored at. Miners and futzing with the blockchain should definitely be left out of it.

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Quote from: j68r on October 07, 2013, 11:11:31 AM

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First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

You really need to get a sense of perspective.

Police arrest drug dealer.
Film at 11.

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Quote from: Oldgamer on October 07, 2013, 01:58:12 PM

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Quote from: Oldgamer on October 07, 2013, 11:05:33 AM

At first, who said that money is still there?

The block chain?

lol
money in a wallet, not chain
lol
And also, good luck to get money back if it is already converted
lol

Bitcoins are technically just stored in the blockchain ledger. Your wallet holds the private key(s) giving you the power to amend the ledger.

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most likely scenario: some sneaky fed agents will get access to this wallet and later they will tell the public those coins were accidently "erased"/destroyed etc. Wink

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@OP:
That would be funny, wouldn't it?
The answer is still no.

It would need most of the community (not only the miners) to pull that off.
If someone manages to steal 1/4 of all Bitcoins (cracked the encryption) it might be time to do stuff like this.

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