Should mods make a post to justify why they locked a thread? - page 2.

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Quote from: LoyceV on May 18, 2024, 02:50:46 AM

I don't remember any of my topics ever being locked by a Mod, but I do think you have a point: if a spam megathread is locked because it's a spam megathread, it might be good for users to see. Then again, most of them were deleted, and there's no notification for anyone other than the OP.

Yeah I would think a mod could lock and pick from a list of why the lock

1. super spam
2. threats of violence
3. other

obvious the list could be longer but the effort to pick one of 3 or 4 or 5 on the list is pretty much zero. the effort to lock is much more as the mod has to read a few or more than a few posts to decide if thread should be lock. so adding a reason from a predetermined list is not much to ask for.

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Quote from: Lucius on May 18, 2024, 05:05:52 AM

Quote from: Findingnemo on May 17, 2024, 02:30:59 PM

The only reason for a thread to be locked is " There's nothing more to discuss further ", so I guess someone reported that to mod and they took the action or atleast that's what my assumption about locking threads by mod.
~snip~

If you had read at least a few posts in this topic, then you wouldn't have guessed what happened - too many people only read the titles and the first post in the topic, and that's why their posts look like yours.

You know what, I read all the replies and decided to make this as my reply along with an added opinion. I mean it's just simple and obvious if a thread is locked and AFAIK no one highlighted that point in this thread so I did.

I have never seen any mod giving any sort of explanation for a locked thread until they have been asked here in meta.

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Quote from: joker_josue on May 18, 2024, 08:39:58 AM

Quote from: Lucius on May 18, 2024, 05:05:52 AM

Based on what you wrote, do you think that repetitive content is completely acceptable and that regardless of what someone wrote before you, you have some sort of "right" to express yourself and repeat it in your own way? No offense, but I didn't expect such an answer from someone like you.

In addition, the topic has 12 pages.

It doesn't offend me, we are just analyzing the situation from several perspectives. Wink

The fact that someone explains the same thing in a different way does not mean that they are repeating it. It can bring a different perspective on the subject, highlight a point that was not highlighted before and other details. And this other way of analyzing the topic can bring other points to the debate that have never been mentioned before.

What I mean by this is that for me it makes more sense to eliminate posts that are spamming (or repeating what has already been said in a clear way, without adding anything), than closing the topic.

Regarding big topics, it all depends on the topic. It should always be analyzed on a case-by-case basis. There are cases where a topic can get very large, but never be a source of spam. But this usually only works in local tabs, with smaller communities.

A perfect example of what you talking about would be this particular thread in speculation BUY THE DIP AND HODL. For sometime it feels as if the whole discussion is being repeated over and over again but if you just tend to keen in closely you will actually get that sometimes most of the repeated talks convey new info that needs be debated by others and that's why the thread itself is still powering till date although I won't lie sometimes it feels like deja Vu (feeling that you read same thing over and over 😁)

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2024, 04:52:57 PM

I know sometimes mods lock threads at their own discression, especially at boards where they are a local moderator. At least when s thread gets moved there's some forum notice being posted. But for locking a topic there's nothing to signify it was a moderator action.

I just think it would be a nice courtesy if mods would just add a post before locking a topic to justify why they felt it should be locked. It's good to put this info on the record for future reference. And also ~~from what I understand, since the OP can unlock a topic locked by a mod,~~ a post by the staff member that took the action would prevent misunderstandings.

Yea, I support what you have said alani123. The OP of a topic have the right to lock their topic, a moderator also have the right to lock a thread for a good reason that is best known to them but before moderators must lock a topic of another OP, they should state a reason below the topic, so that users and the OP can know the reason why the topic was locked. If the moderators does not also keep a reason for locking a topic, the OP can send them DM to ask why the topic was locked.

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Quote from: Lucius on May 18, 2024, 05:05:52 AM

Based on what you wrote, do you think that repetitive content is completely acceptable and that regardless of what someone wrote before you, you have some sort of "right" to express yourself and repeat it in your own way? No offense, but I didn't expect such an answer from someone like you.

In addition, the topic has 12 pages.

It doesn't offend me, we are just analyzing the situation from several perspectives. Wink

The fact that someone explains the same thing in a different way does not mean that they are repeating it. It can bring a different perspective on the subject, highlight a point that was not highlighted before and other details. And this other way of analyzing the topic can bring other points to the debate that have never been mentioned before.

What I mean by this is that for me it makes more sense to eliminate posts that are spamming (or repeating what has already been said in a clear way, without adding anything), than closing the topic.

Regarding big topics, it all depends on the topic. It should always be analyzed on a case-by-case basis. There are cases where a topic can get very large, but never be a source of spam. But this usually only works in local tabs, with smaller communities.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on May 17, 2024, 02:30:59 PM

The only reason for a thread to be locked is " There's nothing more to discuss further ", so I guess someone reported that to mod and they took the action or atleast that's what my assumption about locking threads by mod.
~snip~

If you had read at least a few posts in this topic, then you wouldn't have guessed what happened - too many people only read the titles and the first post in the topic, and that's why their posts look like yours.

Quote from: joker_josue on May 18, 2024, 02:35:21 AM

Not wanting to call into question the analysis you made, I ask:
Why does a topic have to be closed, just because you think everything has already been discussed on the subject?

Looking at the topic you gave as an example. The topic has 10 pages, I can read the OP and the following two or three pages, and be interested in saying something about it. Maybe even ask something. What would be the problem if I made a post, 10 pages after the debate?
You will say that the answer to my question or the point I wanted to highlight has already been mentioned before. Yes, it may be true, but that's no reason for me not to be able to express myself.

Based on what you wrote, do you think that repetitive content is completely acceptable and that regardless of what someone wrote before you, you have some sort of "right" to express yourself and repeat it in your own way? No offense, but I didn't expect such an answer from someone like you.

In addition, the topic has 12 pages.

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I don't remember any of my topics ever being locked by a Mod, but I do think you have a point: if a spam megathread is locked because it's a spam megathread, it might be good for users to see. Then again, most of them were deleted, and there's no notification for anyone other than the OP.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on May 16, 2024, 11:48:52 PM

It shouldn't only limited to reason why they lock the topic.

It also needs:
1. Explanation why someone post got deleted.
2. Notification to non-original poster when the topic from original poster got deleted.
3. Different logo for locked thread (locked by OP and locked by moderator).
4. Hyperlink to the reported post when someone got banned.
5. Explanation why moderator mark your report as bad.

It would be nice, but it would mean quite an amount of extra work for them and also for somebody adding new features to this forum (which some would call pointless since this one was meant to be replaced by the new-forum-software; but I no longer believe/expect that)

And somehow, you people, seem to take into account the few of your topics/posts and forget about the sheer number of spam posts from people or bots who will not care at all about the feedback.
I will also tell that some years ago I could have agreed with this. But now I know that in time you can learn to see the signs for "what was the reason".

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Quote from: Lucius on May 17, 2024, 06:16:40 AM

Quote from: Xal0lex on May 16, 2024, 08:06:01 PM

alani123, What is the purpose of your inquiry? Did a moderator block your topic or did this idea come to you just by chance?

I believe that this is the topic that caused him to ask the question. Given that I am the one responsible for the report, I can also explain why I think the topic should have been locked.

I personally think that the topic has reached its maximum and has turned into a signature spam megathread - and the moderator who handles the report obviously agrees with that. @alani123, just so you know, I have nothing against you personally, but I think you'll agree that there are very few topics that can generate some kind of meaningful discussion after 10 pages of discussion.

Not wanting to call into question the analysis you made, I ask:
Why does a topic have to be closed, just because you think everything has already been discussed on the subject?

Looking at the topic you gave as an example. The topic has 10 pages, I can read the OP and the following two or three pages, and be interested in saying something about it. Maybe even ask something. What would be the problem if I made a post, 10 pages after the debate?
You will say that the answer to my question or the point I wanted to highlight has already been mentioned before. Yes, it may be true, but that's no reason for me not to be able to express myself.

Furthermore, over time more information and other details about the topic may emerge, and the OP may prefer to add this information to this topic instead of creating a new one.

I also noticed that the last post in this topic had a merit, so I believe it was not an out-of-context or spam post.

There are thousands of topics on the forum, with several years of existence, and have never been closed. Why close recent topics?

As I said, I'm not calling into question any analysis, I just want to understand the logic applied.

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Quote from: alani123 on May 16, 2024, 04:52:57 PM

I know sometimes mods lock threads at their own discression, especially at boards where they are a local moderator. At least when s thread gets moved there's some forum notice being posted. But for locking a topic there's nothing to signify it was a moderator action.

I just think it would be a nice courtesy if mods would just add a post before locking a topic to justify why they felt it should be locked. It's good to put this info on the record for future reference. And also ~~from what I understand, since the OP can unlock a topic locked by a mod,~~ a post by the staff member that took the action would prevent misunderstandings.

I have had my post locked also for no clear reasons sometime back also, but it seemed like the mod understood I had gotten enough satisfactory response for the question I asked and did some good to lock the post, I guess.
I love the fact that this came up here and in my opinion, even if a justified post isn't created, at least, a dm or email with a good reason for locking the post should suffice as a courtesy to the person who put in the effort to create the post.

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The only reason for a thread to be locked is " There's nothing more to discuss further ", so I guess someone reported that to mod and they took the action or atleast that's what my assumption about locking threads by mod.

I am sure there are certain instances the decision by mod could be wrong but it doesn't happens everyday so if we ask them to give explanation for every thread they lock then it's gonna add buttload of work for them when they used to deal hundreds or even thousands of reports requires their attention.

So the solution should be, when someone feel.a thread is locked by a mistake they're free to raise their concern in meta perhaps we can create a specific thread to post such kind of queries and mods can keep then in their tracked threads, this may not be what OP is looking but its the realistic solution for it.

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 17, 2024, 09:26:11 AM

Yes.

Having said that, I would like to see not just mods giving some sort of explanation for their actions in certain cases, I would also like to see either a special board for people's complaints or at least mods answering them in Meta in a reasonable timeframe.

Yes it does make sense however I think that board should be the reputation board. For me I think if a mod should give reasons why they locked or moved every single topic to different boards or why they nuked different topics, there will be way more topics on the forum daily.
I think the best alternative is that when a mod moves a topic or deletes a topic there should be a feedback text space where he would briefly fill the reason for his actions instead of creating unnecessary topics. They when someone tries to visit the post you get a a message saying for example;

This post has been nuked because of suspected spam or scam

I think if the user is not satisfied with the remark he can probably go ahead to create a reputation thread about it.

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Yes.

Having said that, I would like to see not just mods giving some sort of explanation for their actions in certain cases, I would also like to see either a special board for people's complaints or at least mods answering them in Meta in a reasonable timeframe.

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Quote from: Xal0lex on May 16, 2024, 08:06:01 PM

alani123, What is the purpose of your inquiry? Did a moderator block your topic or did this idea come to you just by chance?

I believe that this is the topic that caused him to ask the question. Given that I am the one responsible for the report, I can also explain why I think the topic should have been locked.

I personally think that the topic has reached its maximum and has turned into a signature spam megathread - and the moderator who handles the report obviously agrees with that. @alani123, just so you know, I have nothing against you personally, but I think you'll agree that there are very few topics that can generate some kind of meaningful discussion after 10 pages of discussion.

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Quote from: PX-Z on May 16, 2024, 06:03:07 PM

I don't think it is based on their "own discreation" rather its based on forum rules.

Mods are allowed to act based on their discretion. The have their personal interpretation of the rules based on the case that is up for consideration.

If there is no human touch you could as well have automated bots make predetermined actions.

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Quote from: Churchillvv on May 16, 2024, 08:27:59 PM

It's up to the mod to decide whether to leave a text or post before locking a thread.

I'm my local board, I have seen @Igebotz make a post to inform the @OP of thread his reasons for locking thr thread. That shows that it's a personal decision of the moderator to share his reasons for locking the thread.

Additionally, if for sure you know that you made a thread or post and didn't lock the thread then find out that it's locked them you should know it doesn't follow one or more rules or there most be a good reason for it getting locked. And I haven't seen a scenario where an op open a thread that was locked by a mod.

I don't necessarily give explanation to why I lock a topic.

For obvious spam/low quality posts= Lock/delete without explanation.

For duplicate topics= Lock with a link to the original discussion thread.

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I think this should be something that should be implemented from the beginning. They wouldn't even need to write, there should be a pre-defined list of reasons and they would just have to choose which one applied. I know that other forums have this capability. I don't know if it's a software issue or if it was something that was disabled. But it is something that makes sense to exist.

It could be something strange, when we see a post deleted or a topic blocked, or any other moderation action, and in the end we are not sure what really happened.

Now, I also think it's difficult to change this, especially if it's a software issue. But, yes, there should be more information about moderation actions, regarding this aspect.

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It shouldn't only limited to reason why they lock the topic.

It also needs:
1. Explanation why someone post got deleted.
2. Notification to non-original poster when the topic from original poster got deleted.
3. Different logo for locked thread (locked by OP and locked by moderator).
4. Hyperlink to the reported post when someone got banned.
5. Explanation why moderator mark your report as bad.

Administrators and moderators reaction after they read my post:

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Sometimes I also ask moderators to close a topic because it is no longer relevant and the author of the topic no longer responds. What's the point of keeping an open topic whose problem has already been solved many times? Having received the report, moderators often agree to close it. But I think that an explanation about closing a topic is not necessary, since a careful look and some thinking will help a person understand why and for what reasons the topic is closed. Most often, this is the irrelevance of the question and the prevention of a megathread.

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Actually, because of I am an active member of the political section of the forum, I have noticed that when the mod there decides to lock a thread for some reason, they decide to leave a post before locking the discussion there. I have seen it happening when there are two or even three threads which are about the same topic (the criminal trials of Donald Trump) and could perfectly be discussed in the first thread opened.
I have also noticed the moderator of the section offers some warning when they realize the thread is lacking of actual value for discussion and makes clear their consideration on locking it in the future if the topic continues to devolve.

I am not aware whether it is something a couple of moderators do by their own will and etiquette or if it is something which only is supposed to happen within the political section of the forum, for the sake of keeping censorship at minimum. Huh

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