Topic: Should speculation about satoshi's identity be subject to doxxing rules? - page 2. (Read 1005 times)

I've been asking since 2015 for people to respect satoshi's privacy, so it's not exactly a sudden or unexpected change in my position:


The more I think about it, the more it seems like an injustice that people are being so disrespectful, so I don't think I'm taking things too far in disrespecting them a little and firing off a few insults.  I've been asking politely for a while.  

Noticing the similarity in potential consequences of mistakenly accusing someone of being satoshi and doxxing someone is definitely a more recent thing.  It was something that warranted a conversation, but I honestly thought more people would be on board with the idea.



There's nothing in this for me.  It's just a question of ethics.  Right and wrong.

Why does Satoshi's identity matter (if it gets revealed), since Bitcoin is decentralized?

Maybe it would matter back in 2009-2010 when the network was small (and thus prone to 51% attacks), but not anymore...

Why do you think he went to such length to hide his identity?


That's not true as I definitely don't want to know he actually is and I am sure that there are many more who think the same. One of the advantages bitcoin has over other cryptocurrencies is that we don;'t know the idenitty of the creator, meaning one less vector of attack on bitcoin.


You remind me of the people who say that only those who are doing something wrong should care about their own privacy.

Surely you know public figure usually have more protection, right? And personally i'd rather not see "news" which attempt to discredit Bitcoin based on Satoshi identity (e.g. nationality and religion).

I must have missed this thread due to my busy schedule these days. Though the OP is entitled to his opinion, nonetheless, the opinion looks too serious compared to the actual fact. The doxxing of a thing may be enforced against users on this forum but I can assure you that it can't be more than here, what's the point? As we speak, do you know how many investigative journalists are on this trail? You can't know until their success. Your point is however conceived because this is a Bitcoin forum, but if enforced strictly, then it means that neutrality is still not strong here in my opinion. Even in law, in most countries, doxxing is forgivable, and in many other places, it "may" be lightly punished depending on the reason for it, not to mention an online forum.

Fine, based on how this forum was created, we might collectively respect the privacy of the person who created Bitcoin and also opened this forum, it makes sense like that. But when we are now taking it too seriously, I do not see it so neutral to prove the freedom of expression.

I really would love it if Satoshi Nakamoto could reveal his/their identity to reap the fruits of his/their labour. The project is too honourable for the brain(s) behind it not to be known. I believe what people are doing is out of curiosity, but what I don't condone is too many threads pointing to the same fact here, that must stop. But for people to try and relate something to it, I do not have so much concern about that.

Let them continue to try, it will only be the case of "catch me if you can."

Well, I think you're exaggerating a lot, and feeling excessive pain.

Everything that has been done so far makes it impossible to know who or where Satoshi is from. And you will probably never know that. Know why? Because the only way you can maintain your anonymity is from the first day to do everything you can to make it that way. And that Satoshi did very well, it was all planned from day 1. They will discover the identity of ME or YOU faster than we will find out which country Satoshi lived in.

I'm not saying that it's good or bad to research to find out who Satoshi was. But, all the information that exists is available to everyone inside and outside the forum. And therefore, talking about her within the forum should not be something prohibited or something to be regretted.





Don't mix things up. Speculating who Satoshi is is not doxxing. Starting from this idea is wrong.

I will completely (without any form of objection or whatsoever) agree with the op, for over years, some users on this forum have actually taken it upon themselves to unravel the true identity of who Satoshi Nakamoto is, and since this is a very hot topic in the entire crypto currency ecosystem, it often feels like there is some kind of heavy bounty placed on Satoshi, and that bounty goes to who ever is able to unravel his true identity, and even if the outside crypto currency or bitcoin community are zealously trying to dox Satoshi, this forum is different, and I agree that users of this forum should not engage themselves in doing such, for it is indeed an act of disrespect, and disregard for or on Satoshi's privacy, for forum users to want to dox him, when we ourselves who are here and using the forum today, don't want any other forum user to know who we are, or our true identity.

It's like a saying in my place, which states that, before you punch another in the face, first punch yourself and feel how painful it Is first - if Satoshi is still amongst us, I can feel how disappointed he or they must be, seeing how hard some users of this forum are trying to dox him or them, this is something we honestly have to stop and I hope theymos and the forum mods read this thread and agree as well.

And how is it that you got that great idea just now to the point of insulting those who don't think like you, after being on the forum for 10 and a half years? Come on, enlighten us.

The owner clearly does not think like you, otherwise he would have taken steps to do so a long time ago. Nor does anyone else who has discussed Satoshi's possible identity in the many threads about it.

You expect to go down in history as the protector of Satoshi's privacy or something? 14 years after he has disappeared and none of the speculation about him has turned up anything that could identify him?

I think humanity needs more people with cool ideas like yours, otherwise I don't think we'll survive another year.

Even if Satoshi is still alive (highly unlikely), there's no chance he's going to send his enormous BTC stash to a CEX or even BlackRock. Chances are they're going to confiscate his coins if he tries to crash the market (try putting a spot sell order of 1100000 BTC and see what happens next ).

So yeah, he's a billionaire, but more like a "theoretical" billionaire. I'm pretty sure he'll become the first trillionaire as well (next to Elon Musk perhaps), but still, he'll be a theoretical one.

Maybe you're lucky enough to live in a democracy (or, at the very least, a nation trying to masquerade as one).  But there are some places on Earth where human rights are at a premium.  Some authoritarian nations go ballistic if you do anything that might impact their economy.  If the government don't like what you're doing they'll 'disappear' you or straight up have you executed.

Take, for example, one of our own forum members who wanted to live off-grid in a 'seastead' and live off their Bitcoin.  They built their new home off the coast of Thailand.  The Thai government then declared them a threat to national security, called for the death penalty and had the military come along to destroy their home.  And that's just for someone wanting to use Bitcoin near Thailand  (thankfully they're okay last I heard).

So, could you imagine what the consequences might be if Satoshi turned out to be living in Thailand?  What kind of threat do you suppose the Thai government might perceive them as?  Maybe they keep their identity secret because their life quite literally depends on it.

I don't think anyone considers any of this when they're having fun poking their noses in the private affairs of others. 

I'm sorry to be blunt, but if you're still publicly speculating about who satoshi is you're being inconsiderate jackasses here.  It's that simple.

First and foremost? Because he's probably a secret billionaire.

Yes. A lot.  I think I've only seen him once being in a non-conference room, and that was with bodyguards surrounded.

Yes... They are all rich and public figures? However, I don't see how is that relevant with the question. Satoshi (or the person behind that name) is not a public figure.

Has it crossed your mind that Satoshi might be alive and sitting on top of a billion worth of bitcoin?

There are varying definitions of doxxing. Some define it as linking real life information to an anonymous online personality. As an example;
• the address of Mr. Thomas is 124 wallet street, this is a public information on their community register.
• hooded hacker is a online personality who doesn't post any personal information online,
• a link is made between Me. Thomas and hooded hacker and everyone now knows where "hooded hacker" lives, even those who do not like his anonymous work.

No, it's not.
What is prohibited or should be, is trying to unearth personal information about satoshi which they did not make public.

Having the right to ask is not the same as having the right to get an answer.

Why should it be dangerous to know who Satoshi is? Since when do we hide that information? Is Vitalik Buterin in danger since we know that he created ETH? Is SEC chairman in danger since we know he is the chariman? Is JP Morgan CEO in danger? Is Elon Musk in danger because we know that he owns Tesla?

Did Satoshi ever say that we should remove every post on this forum to protect his privacy? And if he thought that he would be in danger, then he shouldn't have created a Bitcoin. Absolutely everyone wants to know who is Satoshi and that's a fair question. The wrong question and danger is if someone figures out his address and posts it in public.
Satoshi didn't create anything wrong or illegal, so why should he be in danger even if his full name and photo becomes available? By the way, no one can obtain that, he is probably dead, only god knows.

Is it prohibited to ask and try to find who Satoshi is?

Okay but I strongly believe anyone has a right to ask the question Who is Satoshi? and search for answers or open a discussion thread on this forum.

Well, if I say that I think Satoshi is the mathematician XPTO (a person already famous or well-known in the world), I'm not doxxing.

We must understand that doxxing involves disclosing personal private information, such as a person's address, phone number, financial information, or other real data. Speculating about someone's true identity is not doxxing as long as it does not involve disclosing private personal information.

So I think things are getting mixed up. One thing is doxxing, the main objective of which is to harm and humiliate someone. Another is to speculate about someone's identity.

But as I said before, I understand the point raised by the OP. Although I don't think what's happening to Satoshi is doxxing, speculation about identities should be handled with care to avoid defamation or violation of privacy.

I mean, I'm not absolute on that particular topic as Satoshi is seen as sort of a mythical being now more, but it frustrates me when people miss the point. Just because we don't know with certainty the person behind Satoshi, doesn't mean that we can start pointing into anyone, writing their real names in Internet boards, expecting to face no penalties.

No, he didn't, unless there's a post from him that points to Dorian Nakamoto. It is curious speculators (who attempted to) dox Dorian.

So you know the real Satoshi name?  

Than you can blame Satoshi for that, because according to you he ''doxxed'' Doran Nakamoto, that is his actual legal name - Dorian Prentice Satoshi Nakamoto.  
Maybe you also want to accuse Satosh for stealing his name.  

You are the one who is confused here, not me.

Real-world names are very much personally identifiable.  How is this so difficult for people to comprehend?

When the media mistakenly claimed that Dorian Nakamoto was Satoshi, that had a serious negative impact on his life.  They published his name without his consent.  And then the rest of the media hounded and harassed him for weeks.  If someone has not given you consent to connect their real name to the Satoshi pseudonym, you are potentially causing them harm by claiming that they are Satoshi.  This is immoral.

You're trying to claim that because Dorian isn't Satoshi, he wasn't doxxed.  But he clearly still suffered all the consequences of being doxxed, because people were led to believe that he was someone he wasn't.

I would argue that mistaken and inaccurate doxxing is still doxxing.  It causes exactly the same problems for the person wrongly accused.  If you are linking a real name with a username and do not have permission to do so, I maintain the stance that you are in the wrong.  These aren't my special definitions, it's the definition you just used.

Can I make that any clearer for you?


//EDIT:  And the Investigations board is only for scam accusations.  If you are not claiming satoshi has scammed you, you should not be trying to breach their privacy (or the privacy of whoever you might be speculating is Satoshi) by assigning a real-world, personally-identifiable name to that pseudonym.

I'll paraphrase.  I was doxxed by a user.  Merit sources merited that user's post doxxing me.  Now I'm being extorted by that user and default trust members are including him in their trust networks.

Is that simple enough for you to follow?

Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think merit sources and default trust members should be meriting doxxing posts and including extortionists in their trust networks.  I get that's a hot take though.  I can see why you'd want another example.  That's super hard to follow. 

What you mean to ask is can I provide an example that doesn't implicate the largest merit sources and most included default trust members in very clear wrongdoing.

Honestly. I wouldn't care at all about that, and I can't prevent other people to do whatever they want to do.

I will repeat again, this has nothing to do with doxxing, unles you want to have your own definition and special rules for that.
And even for doxxing there is exception in forum, so you can post personal information for others in Investigations board.

https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Doxing