Should the difference in size between normal and quoted text be smaller?

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Quote from: Peanutswar on November 29, 2022, 07:32:01 AM

It is good if reduce by 1px only to identify it as a quoted reply or make an Italicized font to see immediately but the people here are already used to the default quote so for sure most of them preferred this already, if this might be implemented its ideal if there's a feature of old and new so people would like to stick which they would like to prefer with.

I think the slight difference of the background color of quoted post to the actual reply is sufficient enough to notice that context is a quote. The main issue here is the readability of the quoted statement.

The improvement is good because it’s just a minor tweak on the font size and theymos can definitely change it quickly like the the additional (OP) tag for thread starter. This suggestion will be good if the improvement will have an option to adjust the size base on user preference because I don’t need to increase the text of the quote word if I’m the author of it since I know what I wrote.

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It is good if reduce by 1px only to identify it as a quoted reply or make an Italicized font to see immediately but the people here are already used to the default quote so for sure most of them preferred this already, if this might be implemented its ideal if there's a feature of old and new so people would like to stick which they would like to prefer with.

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Never really thought about this but I don't think it would make a big difference in how I interact and use the forum though.

What I think is important with the quoting system is the highlighting of the quoted text and it pretty much does the job for me.

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I even did not notice that text size in quoted part will be smaller than non-quoted parts. Looking at OP, your example and your proposal, honestly, I think the forum default is better because it gives a smaller text size in quoted parts, even it is only a little bit bigger than yours.

Anyway, in all cases, normal size for all, smaller or bigger size for quoted parts are not big matters. I feel almost the same with three options but if I make a choice, I choose 13px/11px/10px version.

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Quote from: PowerGlove on November 29, 2022, 05:07:05 AM

If you or anyone else decides to give 13px/12px/11px a try then here's a little advice (if I may):

Like I said, I don't need it.
I can however imagine that changes when I buy a new monitor with higher resolution (and smaller pixels).

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 29, 2022, 03:35:52 AM

[...] I think this means your patch will never be applied. By adjusting it client-side for the users who want it, the forum can remain unchanged for anyone else.

Yep. You're probably right.

If you or anyone else decides to give 13px/12px/11px a try then here's a little advice (if I may):

Make sure to give it a fair shake. If you've been using the forum for a long time or even only ~5 months like I have, then you've gotten very used to how things look right now and your initial reaction is likely to be: "No, I don't like that."

Force yourself to use it for a full forum session (i.e. browse a few boards, write a post or two, get up-to-date on what's happening in reputation, answer some PMs, etc.) and when you're done I think you'll find that you've changed your mind. If not, then rinse and repeat until you do. Tongue

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Quote from: PowerGlove on November 28, 2022, 06:52:38 PM

running it locally (without having to install browser extensions)

I think this means your patch will never be applied. By adjusting it client-side for the users who want it, the forum can remain unchanged for anyone else.

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Quote from: PowerGlove on November 28, 2022, 06:52:38 PM

Yup. I'm hoping theymos will merge the member filtering patch at some point, because it's very useful and I think most people will agree once/if they get to see it in action. Wink

This is great. I'm going to test it.

Can you put a screenshot before and after modification, with more changes to the CSS, then your argument will be stronger and closer to implementation.
Have you tried it on the local boards, because we will hear an opposite complaint if it is worse and has been applied to the entire forum.

I find that the quotation line is much smaller is a logical reason. Mostly the quotation is citing the source and therefore you will return to the source or it is part of a previous discussion, I think it is logical for it to be smaller in size (13px/11px/10px).

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Quote from: dkbit98 on November 28, 2022, 03:35:19 PM

Oh, we have one more patch suggestion from PowerGlove, but last one is still not approved by lord theymos.

Yup. I'm hoping theymos will merge the member filtering patch at some point, because it's very useful and I think most people will agree once/if they get to see it in action. Wink

Back to this patch though, if anyone is curious (and tech-savvy) enough to want to experiment with running it locally (without having to install browser extensions) then here are some instructions (for Firefox, or Firefox-derived browsers like Tor Browser):

Step 1: Browse to "about:support" to figure out where your "Profile Directory" is (should be near the middle of what's listed under "Application Basics").

Step 2: Create a folder (if it doesn't already exist) named "chrome" within the directory from the previous step.

Step 3: Create a file (if it doesn't already exist) named "userContent.css" within the directory from the previous step.

Step 4: Browse to "about:config" and enable the setting named "toolkit.legacyUserProfileCustomizations.stylesheets".

Step 5: Close your browser.

Step 6: Put the following inside the "userContent.css" file, from step 3:

Code:

@-moz-document domain(bitcointalk.org) {

    .quote { font-size: 12px !important; }

    .quoteheader, .codeheader { font-size: 11px !important; }
}

Obviously, you can put whatever stylesheet overrides you like in there (take a look at the forum's main stylesheet for ideas) but I'm only concerned (at the moment) with what I wrote about in the initial post (i.e. making quoted text slightly bigger).

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Oh, we have one more patch suggestion from PowerGlove, but last one is still not approved by lord theymos.

I am fine with current current font sizes settings and sometimes I am adjusting zoom level myself, according to device and screen size I amusing.
It would be nice if quoted text could be shown in slightly different lighter color (maybe grey) but this is just my personal preference.

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts, everyone. I appreciate it!

I'm browsing the forum with the second option (13px/12px/11px) implemented as a local stylesheet override, and although it did take some getting used to, I have to say: it's very pleasant! I don't think I could go back to the old way, now (13px/11px/10px).

Quoted text shows up so often on Bitcointalk and in so many contexts that having it be just a little bigger (but still a tiny bit smaller than normal text) is quite an improvement (to my eyes).

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It all depends on screen size, resolution and browser settings (zoom).
I don't think that it makes much of a difference (both are small, lol!). I am not against it, but I also don't think it worth the hassle for the change.

I somewhat agree with SFR10 here: a more interesting change could be to also increase a little the size for normal post text too.

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Quote from: PowerGlove on November 27, 2022, 05:53:37 AM

Anybody else prefer the second one?

The second one is marginally better, but when I'm using the default scale, it's still a bit smaller than I'd like it to be ^{[I wish we had various presets for different resolutions (especially for higher ones)]}.
^{- For what it's worth, sometimes I use the magnifier tool in windows, in lens view (apart from increasing the zoom level in my browser).}

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For me, the difference between the two samples of quoted texts you used are infinitesimal. I can zoom in on texts if I'm reading and think the prints are tiny for my eyes. I believe it's same for most users here too. Most users don't even care. However, I think what could be an issue is the wall of texts some users resort to when quoting comments. On my part, that's disgusting. I don't like reading such wall of quotes. Expectedly, I skip such and move over to the next comments.

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Honestly I'm fine with the quoted text is smaller since we're should be focus on the next reply rather than the quoted part, which make me think it's make sense why the quoted text is smaller than the normal text size.

Actually I'm more want to see an improvement on the signature space, usually if I open this forum on my device, the signature will not appear very well just like in laptop or PC. Although it can be solved by deleting few part/line of the signature to make it shorter r, but as I can see there's many signature is still long.

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The layout we have now and the layout you are proposing does not make any difference for me. It's been years I am with the forum and I can even locate text tools without having their icons LOL. So the reading difficulty of the quoted text is not a difficulty at all.

Quote from: Upgrade00 on November 27, 2022, 03:59:45 PM

This is not really any major inconvenience to users,most of which who might not have noticed any size difference.

There are size difference of the text which is easily noticeable but I don't think anyone have any complain about it. It's in fact better to read long wall of text like JJG posts.

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 27, 2022, 08:45:06 AM

I'm okay with the current font sizes, and I like that quotes are a tad smaller.

I also appreciate the difference in font sizes between quoted texts and unquoted. It helps one to skim through the quotes a bit easier, particularly for users who quote walls of texts and those who quote full replies which are just right above theirs.

This is not really any major inconvenience to users,most of which who might not have noticed any size difference.

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I'm okay with the current font sizes, and I like that quotes are a tad smaller. When using my laptop screen (high resolution and small size), I usually zoom to 110%. On my big screen, I usually use 100%, but 90% would be okay too. So no need to change it.
Increasing the font in quotes would also make the entire quote bigger, which means more scrolling.

Quote from: PowerGlove on November 27, 2022, 05:53:37 AM

I'm aware that I can fix this for myself by making things bigger with browser settings and whatnot

Back in the days, I used to set a minimum font size in my browser.

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I also prefer 2nd one (13/12/11px), it could be handy when reading in-depth/long discussion. Although i agree people could just use zoom in on their browser or use browser setting/addons to override font size manually.

Quote from: Findingnemo on November 27, 2022, 06:23:16 AM

But is there any other way for users to enable font sizes for quoted posts and their comments if they want too? Instead of making changes in the whole forum?

Either by using add-ons or custom script to modify the CSS (which added on either addons such as Tampermonkey or Violentmonkey).

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I used to the existing font size for years so it looks a bit odd to me so it is kind of stressing to read them, just from my experience on the above proposed example so I am completely okay with old font sizes. But is there any other way for users to enable font sizes for quoted posts and their comments if they want too? Instead of making changes in the whole forum?

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