Should trust system spammers be banned? - page 2.

jimmothy

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Quote from: fsb4000 on April 07, 2014, 06:16:16 AM

Quote from: jimmothy on April 07, 2014, 06:01:04 AM

Don't you understand that accepting bribes to spam fake trust ratings is untrustworthy? That is why you have

Trust: -1083: -8 / +3(3)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

You were fooled by josh.

Are you really so stupid?? If Josh would want to increase his trust rating he would'nt create the topic...
Turn on your brain!!!

Josh knows his customers are stupid enough to do something like this. Anyone with a brain knows there is no way any trust system can avoid paid shills.

Let me repeat that: there is no way to avoid shills like yourself. But you were stupid enough to shill openly so we all know that you are untrustworthy.

Josh knew you shills/spammers would get banned/ratings removed and he will end the contest and you will have sold your sole for literally nothing.

fsb4000

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Main goal of Josh's contest is - show people that trust system is broken.

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negative trust doesn't automatically make someone a scammer. It just tells people to do a little extra research, and to see if the claims have any validity before doing business.

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POSITIVE trust doesn't automatically make someone a reliable. You should do a little extra research, and to see if the feedbacks have any validity before doing business.

I started to participate Josh's contest because I share Josh's goal.

I'm still me. One of the most honest people at this forum. And your trust ranking only confirms that trust system is broken.

You have no reasonable arguments. So you are trying to ban people who are keen to show the truth.

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Quote from: jimmothy on April 07, 2014, 06:01:04 AM

Don't you understand that accepting bribes to spam fake trust ratings is untrustworthy? That is why you have

Trust: -1083: -8 / +3(3)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

You were fooled by josh.

Are you really so stupid?? If Josh would want to increase his trust rating he would'nt create the topic...
Turn on your brain!!!

jimmothy

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Don't you understand that accepting bribes to spam fake trust ratings is untrustworthy? That is why you have

Trust: -1083: -8 / +3(3)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

You were fooled by josh.

fsb4000

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real trust spamming:

Quote from: fsb4000 on April 06, 2014, 08:57:17 AM

Spammers as of 08/04/2014:
Bicknellski
LittleD
Xian01
dogie
dropt
jimmothy
tysat NEW!
jambola2 NEW!
They copy - paste their trust feedbacks...
If any actions will be taken against the accounts in the first message, than the same actions should be taken to these accounts. They do the same things.

Although practice double standards is alive... This is sad Sad

Quote from: fsb4000 on March 31, 2014, 06:01:46 PM

Quote from: LittleD on March 31, 2014, 04:54:25 PM

Leave Negative feedback for these three accounts:

Inaba: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=8198

BFL_Josh: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=63314

BFL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=44366

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/8203-win-butterfly-labs-imperial-monarch.html

and

Leave Positive feedback for these three accounts:

Theymos: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35

Dogie: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=87869

Bicknellski: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=76550

This post is the best evidence(demonstration) that "bitcointalk trust rating" is not real trust rating and just popularity rating.
Thank you LittleD Wink

LittleD did the same like Josh.

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There were some sending random altcoins to others and making them give them +trust for it.

I reported the dude and he did get banned in the end, but it sure took some time.

What was funny was that no one was caring about what was happening. Posting away like headless chicken to get their coins which are probably worthless by now.
While someone else was building up trust to get away(scam) a lot of coins of some poor soul in the future.

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18.

And most certainly 50% of them are multis created by BFL.

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Quote from: theymos on April 05, 2014, 10:08:38 AM

But Inaba is hiring multiple people to create these ratings. It is impossible for me to determine whether these ratings are "real" or not, so I'm not going to delete them.

I disagree with it being impossible. It is blatantly obvious who is spamming trust. Looking at inaba's profile it takes me a few seconds to see which people are posting fake positive feedback daily.

There are only like 10 of them.

In fact a list has already been compiled of the spammers:

Quote from: Bicknellski on April 05, 2014, 02:27:26 AM

Spammers as of 07/04/2014:

BFL
Inaba
BFL_Josh
dmelj
Anonymailer
hardhouseinc
Cassey
criminalben
Pry4u
fsb4000
Pokokohua!
securo
Flyeye
BTCJack
stevenmicah
Raw-H
JoRoidx
alphabetacanary
monsterblitz
huj
Rapturoso NEW!

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It wouldn't be necessary to permanently ban them as the community has proven it will punish those who abuse/try to game the trust system. There's no reason not to have some sort of temp ban though. Also, I think the rate at which can place trust should be limited based on your site ranking.

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I'm not for or against your proposition, but theymos isn't going to do anything about this.

Quote from: theymos on April 05, 2014, 10:08:38 AM

Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings. But Inaba is hiring multiple people to create these ratings. It is impossible for me to determine whether these ratings are "real" or not, so I'm not going to delete them. (Obviously all negative ratings are very likely to be fake, but I'm not going to guess about this.)

I agree that it is a little annoying to see a wall of negative ratings, but this is in the "untrusted" section. The way things are set up currently, untrusted ratings can be easily spammed in a number of ways. That's why those ratings are hidden by default.

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I think they should be banned, but it may not be feasible for the mods, who would have to sift through ratings and try to determine the legitimate feedbacks from the spammy ones. It shouldn't be too hard for us to go through the feedback of people we want to deal with unless they have tons of phony feedback.

jimmothy

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As many of you already know, josh (inaba) is running a contest to win a monarch if you post positive trust on 3 bfl accounts and leave negative trust on 3 critics accounts every day. This is not a temporary problem because the contest is never ending so it needs to be dealt with. (ends when they begin shipping)

More about the contest: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-bringing-down-the-trust-rating-549403

I think this is spam and abuse of the trust system. Josh seems to think this proves that the system is flawed but I disagree. Blatant trust manipulation can be dealt with by mods/administrators with little effort.

So should those who have sold their sole and dignity for the chance to win some vaporware be banned?

Maybe they should be banned until monarchs finally ship?

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