Shouldnt we be funding/supporting a mesh network ?

Stephen Gornick

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Quote from: Elwar on March 27, 2013, 09:50:39 PM

To create a mesh around the ISPs but can still connect to the Internet is the way to go.

Here's what you are describing:

Quote from: Elwar on March 27, 2013, 09:50:39 PM

I believe that Bitcoin is the key to funding such a thing.

I would be fine with becoming an Internet repeater that generates Bitcoins on a pay per use type of structure.

This has nothing to do with mesh but it is a method that a wifi hotspot can charge in bitcoins:

- http://www.coindesk.com/raspberry-pi-used-to-power-bitcoin-funded-wifi-hotspot/

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Quote from: shamaniotastook on March 27, 2013, 09:23:53 PM

it really isn't worth arguing, but just one more question and then i'll leave it alone...how long you think you're power will be on if the 'Internet' fails? again, i should just shut up, but talking about proposing any network to simply act as a 'backup' for the internet just doesn't make sense in my world...but who knows what works in your world...

I was once an electritian in a former life, and I have experience with solar arrays, dc power conversion & ham radio. So, yeah, I think I can manage it.

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Quote from: Elwar on March 27, 2013, 09:50:39 PM

The trouble these days with the Internet is the ISPs. They are the weakest link in between us and the government.

To create a mesh around the ISPs but can still connect to the Internet is the way to go.

I believe that Bitcoin is the key to funding such a thing.

I would be fine with becoming an Internet repeater that generates Bitcoins on a pay per use type of structure.

And like many who have been looking at the pirate boxes, setting up solar powered repeaters all over town (on top of light poles, tall trees, water tower, etc.) to create a full mesh would bipass the whole need for an ISP.

If people can set up repeaters and get paid like people are getting paid to mine, we could reach the point where the mesh grid is more widely accessed than ISPs.

now this is starting to make some sense

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The trouble these days with the Internet is the ISPs. They are the weakest link in between us and the government.

To create a mesh around the ISPs but can still connect to the Internet is the way to go.

I believe that Bitcoin is the key to funding such a thing.

I would be fine with becoming an Internet repeater that generates Bitcoins on a pay per use type of structure.

And like many who have been looking at the pirate boxes, setting up solar powered repeaters all over town (on top of light poles, tall trees, water tower, etc.) to create a full mesh would bipass the whole need for an ISP.

If people can set up repeaters and get paid like people are getting paid to mine, we could reach the point where the mesh grid is more widely accessed than ISPs.

shamaniotastook

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honestly, if the Internet goes dark, i don't think anyone will be willing to trade anything of true value (e.g. food, water, medical supplies, alcohol, guns, tobacco, drugs, etc) for BTC, USD, gold, silver, nothing...and i dont' care if someone has a backup power supply or not, if the Internet goes down all hell breaks loose and even if you had 30kw generator and solar cells, food stocked to the nuts, everything...what good with BTC do you then? You going to whip out your mesh android and sell some beans and grits to mr. needy cause he has nothing but bitcoins?

the truth is, even the most die-hard doomsday survivalist is going to be strapped to even exist beyond a few months without infrastructure...too late to go back now, we're all globally interconnected and interdependent.

now i'm really done posting on this thread as i am messin' with all-ya-all's zen

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on Molecular's suggestion regarding a amateur packet radio setup, I wonder how many individuals there are in the wild with those capabilities?

I actually am a ham operator, and have a packet terminal and radio's.. I have no idea how on earth I could try and get that to work with a bitcoin client though.

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Quote from: shamaniotastook on March 27, 2013, 09:23:53 PM

it really isn't worth arguing, but just one more question and then i'll leave it alone...how long you think you're power will be on if the 'Internet' fails? again, i should just shut up, but talking about proposing any network to simply act as a 'backup' for the internet just doesn't make sense in my world...but who knows what works in your world...

You dont have a solar array and/or a generator in case your power goes out ?

newb.

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Quote from: MoonShadow on March 27, 2013, 09:05:31 PM

Quote from: shamaniotastook on March 27, 2013, 08:18:34 PM

I'm talking about the Internet...seriously, maybe you have some secret knowledge i'm not aware of, but what are you going to overlay 'your' particular flavor of mesh onto?

Nothing. We're talking about backup infrastructure for bitcoin.

Moonshadow is correct.

shamaniotastook

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it really isn't worth arguing, but just one more question and then i'll leave it alone...how long you think you're power will be on if the 'Internet' fails? again, i should just shut up, but talking about proposing any network to simply act as a 'backup' for the internet just doesn't make sense in my world...but who knows what works in your world...

MoonShadow

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Quote from: 01BTC10 on March 27, 2013, 09:07:40 PM

Slightly related. I wonder what happened to this project : http://vimeo.com/40711689

It's been a couple of months since I last email those guys, but last I checked, they claim that they are still only a couple months away from release.

I've grown accustomed to disapointment.

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Slightly related. I wonder what happened to this project : http://vimeo.com/40711689

MoonShadow

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Quote from: shamaniotastook on March 27, 2013, 08:18:34 PM

I'm talking about the Internet...seriously, maybe you have some secret knowledge i'm not aware of, but what are you going to overlay 'your' particular flavor of mesh onto?

Nothing. We're talking about backup infrastructure for bitcoin.

MoonShadow

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Newbs!

Bitcoin doesn't require internet access to transact, but it does require a connection. A packet radio connection, or modem connection over ham radio would work fine for spending. It wouldn't work as well for mining.

BTW, I wasn't talking about the "web" either. Try reading a bit more before you display your ignorance, please.

EDIT: A pair of android based bitcoin apps connected across a piratebox (http://wiki.daviddarts.com/PirateBox_DIY) and two people can transact in meatspace miles from a working 3G signal.

shamaniotastook

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one more thing...how's your 'mesh' going to connect a merchant in chicago to a buyer in australia?

shamaniotastook

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I'm not talking about 'The Web'

I'm talking about the Internet...seriously, maybe you have some secret knowledge i'm not aware of, but what are you going to overlay 'your' particular flavor of mesh onto?

what's the difference between the Internet and an Intranet? how are mesh topologies accomplished in an enterprise, using which communication protocol stacks, etc., and even remote db access, etc., all over INTERNET PROTOCOLS

whatever...yeah, i'm the idiot...bitcoin doesn't need the internet, you all have it all figured out! ha! have fun with your meshes boys.

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I'll just leave this here....

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fnf-now-accepts-donations-in-bitcoins-159617

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Quote from: Zeilap on March 27, 2013, 06:21:27 PM

Quote from: shamaniotastook on March 27, 2013, 06:02:42 PM

don't mean to rain on your parade, but the fact is that the Internet is indeed the largest mesh network even possible and to propose a 'supporting' network is almost ludicrous, because by definition, such a network would simply become an extension of the network. in fact, there is NO WAY that bitcoin itself could operate without the Internet....again, setting up a 'second' or 'supporting' Internet is not really technically correct way to see it, because by definition this 'extension' or 'supporting' network would simply be another part of the Internet.

anyway, you can't really create an 'internet' backup, and your question demonstrates you don't really know how the Internet works, or what it means. I'm just trying to help clarify so you don't waste years on a dream that is fruitless. The Internet is just that INTER-NET, it's not just one network, but literally millions or billions of nets all tied together, and even the BitCoin network is just another extension. amazing right, when you really stop to think about it.

Actually, it's pretty clear that you're the one who doesn't know how the internet works nor what a mesh network is.

Or that bitcoin can work without the Internet.

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Quote from: shamaniotastook on March 27, 2013, 06:02:42 PM

don't mean to rain on your parade, but the fact is that the Internet is indeed the largest mesh network even possible and to propose a 'supporting' network is almost ludicrous, because by definition, such a network would simply become an extension of the network. in fact, there is NO WAY that bitcoin itself could operate without the Internet....again, setting up a 'second' or 'supporting' Internet is not really technically correct way to see it, because by definition this 'extension' or 'supporting' network would simply be another part of the Internet.

anyway, you can't really create an 'internet' backup, and your question demonstrates you don't really know how the Internet works, or what it means. I'm just trying to help clarify so you don't waste years on a dream that is fruitless. The Internet is just that INTER-NET, it's not just one network, but literally millions or billions of nets all tied together, and even the BitCoin network is just another extension. amazing right, when you really stop to think about it.

Actually, it's pretty clear that you're the one who doesn't know how the internet works nor what a mesh network is.

shamaniotastook

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don't mean to rain on your parade, but the fact is that the Internet is indeed the largest mesh network even possible and to propose a 'supporting' network is almost ludicrous, because by definition, such a network would simply become an extension of the network. in fact, there is NO WAY that bitcoin itself could operate without the Internet....again, setting up a 'second' or 'supporting' Internet is not really technically correct way to see it, because by definition this 'extension' or 'supporting' network would simply be another part of the Internet.

anyway, you can't really create an 'internet' backup, and your question demonstrates you don't really know how the Internet works, or what it means. I'm just trying to help clarify so you don't waste years on a dream that is fruitless. The Internet is just that INTER-NET, it's not just one network, but literally millions or billions of nets all tied together, and even the BitCoin network is just another extension. amazing right, when you really stop to think about it.

Stephen Gornick

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Quote from: CharlesPonzi on March 26, 2013, 10:06:52 PM

A small bitcoin node that doubles as its own mesh node.

Or a small mesh node that doubles as a bitcoin node:
- https://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/FreedomNode

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