@jdbtracker: I agree. You have a conviction, humility, and energy that we should all appreciate. Personal responsibility and so many other ideas have been midwived by people like you. I was a libertarian at age 22 (44 now) and saw bitcoin as the separation of money and state in 2010 (later than many).
You spent time creating an agenda (a structure) for a distributed effort to tackle one of the most recent assaults to our individuality. I respect that immensely. The individuals that feel what we feel are innumerable. While your long and well-thought-out post may have not taken much of your time, it was more than what most of us contribute and more than I have contributed in the 4 years I have lurked on this forum.
I have significant resources but what would you like to see first? Currently I am running full nodes at two IPs and 1.2 terrahashes but I can write, blog, and do a variety of other things.
Topic: Shrem to jail for two years!!! Holy shit! - page 4. (Read 8191 times)
I just don't want to see the movement we have developed here falter. Bitcoin is important in so many ways, Businesses need to know where they stand, Organizations need legal guidance, no wonder the banks are cautious; I just think we need to solve these problems so that Bitcoin can grow, without Fear, Uncertainty or Doubt. And even go beyond it, using the technology to provide low cost, Quality Information... this could do amazing things.
If you must do something it is just to learn. Everything that is written on this forum is searchable by Google; So it will never disappear. When an idea is needed it will be here somewhere, each according to their own will in their own time. At the moment I just feel that some structure is needed on being able to tackle these things as a community and have good, accurate information, that does a service to the people in real time. Just, that what I am thinking is out of this world, monumental, but we will get there. I just see so much possibility with this technology, Distributed Consensus, Censorship Resistant Databases, and some other crazy stuff, that we can't even imagine yet.
And besides, It was just a matter of time before the Big Data Revolution began Data Mining Everything.
If you must do something it is just to learn. Everything that is written on this forum is searchable by Google; So it will never disappear. When an idea is needed it will be here somewhere, each according to their own will in their own time. At the moment I just feel that some structure is needed on being able to tackle these things as a community and have good, accurate information, that does a service to the people in real time. Just, that what I am thinking is out of this world, monumental, but we will get there. I just see so much possibility with this technology, Distributed Consensus, Censorship Resistant Databases, and some other crazy stuff, that we can't even imagine yet.
And besides, It was just a matter of time before the Big Data Revolution began Data Mining Everything.
This is a important factor that needs to be addressed, what is the legality by territory of Freedom? What amount of Freedom is allowed, is Freedom of Speech allowed? What level of Freedom of Action is allowed?
I would recommend that someone help out the community by creating a relational database in Neo4j of related laws affecting Bitcoin and which organization has say in the Enforcement and decision making of those laws, their mandate and global effects throughout their history. There is no need to Gimp the Community by spreading FUD... we need to tackle this in a scientific and replicable manner... we believe in p2p lets use our collective minds, actions and Dreams in our favor.
so scope would be global
1: Figure out Global organizations that can affect Bitcoin
2: Continental Organizations
3: Country specific ones
4: Provincial, State, Department, etc organizations within individual governments
next we figure out how they interact with each other starting from largest to smallest
1: Which Global Organizations have legal structures over-seeing smaller ones?
2: What mandate do these large and small organization have in common with each other?
3: Is there any breaks in the legal structures? Do smaller autonomous Regional organizations have conflicting interests?
4: Who are these Organizations accountable too and do they have legal structures for their Constituents/representatives to put motions forward?
Now we figure out the history of the organizations and spot anyone s that used to exist but no longer do and what effect they have had on global events.
1: Begin researching original mandates of these organizations and how they have changed over time and why.
2: How have they interacted with other known organizations over time?
3: What effect have these Organizations had on Global events?
4: What factors have lead to these decisions and changes in mandate?
last we measure the psychological, physical, social effects that these organizations have had on their Constituents/Citizens
1: What effect have the histories of these organizations had on the population of the World?
2: What changes in the way that people have interacted changed?
3: How has the mass media been affected? are they self censoring, have their been major changes in their staff? Any major dissidents and what has happened to them?
4: What are the intentional and unintentional along with interesting effects that these organizations have had?
This all would have to be done in an open source manner so as many people as possible could read from it, query it and find how their individual ideas are affected by these organizations, preferably to be done on a blockchain to maximize Censorship resistance so that we may get a clear understanding with verifiable information traceable back to the source, just like in an academic paper. Use what already exists, categorize it and draw the connections between all the known factors. All searchable and open source for anyone to use, expand upon and discuss. This will allow anyone to see if their Governments give them the opportunity to participate in their own Governance or if it is nothing more than a Facade with no opportunity for Citizens to meaningfully put concerns forward... Basically: Are you living in a Oligarchy? Has your entire Legal Structure been setup to support an Elitist control structure, with no means of Personal Sovereignty?
I would recommend this Blockchain Database to be verified with hashes of original materials, to be setup as a side-chain for the Bitcoin mining protocol to protect it's integrity. so, academic papers, the written mandates, individual forms for submission and their hierarchy, Books, Historical documents, anything relevant has to be included into the Blockchain in as broad a scope as possible to make sure all points of view are accounted for.
The key words here are: Organizations, Governments, Businesses, Conglomerates, Cartels, Corporations, Courts, Markets, Laws, Mandates, Policies, Legal Structures, Mass Media, Sociology, Currencies, Populations, Demographics, Education, Psychology, Individuals, Forms, History, Lobbyists, Scientific Analysis, hierarchies, etc...
We have no choice at this point, we have to begin mapping out these systems and drawing correlations between them in a way that regular people can search through and be able to know what forms they must fill out and who they must speak to, with known historical outcomes of different actions.
I would recommend that someone help out the community by creating a relational database in Neo4j of related laws affecting Bitcoin and which organization has say in the Enforcement and decision making of those laws, their mandate and global effects throughout their history. There is no need to Gimp the Community by spreading FUD... we need to tackle this in a scientific and replicable manner... we believe in p2p lets use our collective minds, actions and Dreams in our favor.
so scope would be global
1: Figure out Global organizations that can affect Bitcoin
2: Continental Organizations
3: Country specific ones
4: Provincial, State, Department, etc organizations within individual governments
next we figure out how they interact with each other starting from largest to smallest
1: Which Global Organizations have legal structures over-seeing smaller ones?
2: What mandate do these large and small organization have in common with each other?
3: Is there any breaks in the legal structures? Do smaller autonomous Regional organizations have conflicting interests?
4: Who are these Organizations accountable too and do they have legal structures for their Constituents/representatives to put motions forward?
Now we figure out the history of the organizations and spot anyone s that used to exist but no longer do and what effect they have had on global events.
1: Begin researching original mandates of these organizations and how they have changed over time and why.
2: How have they interacted with other known organizations over time?
3: What effect have these Organizations had on Global events?
4: What factors have lead to these decisions and changes in mandate?
last we measure the psychological, physical, social effects that these organizations have had on their Constituents/Citizens
1: What effect have the histories of these organizations had on the population of the World?
2: What changes in the way that people have interacted changed?
3: How has the mass media been affected? are they self censoring, have their been major changes in their staff? Any major dissidents and what has happened to them?
4: What are the intentional and unintentional along with interesting effects that these organizations have had?
This all would have to be done in an open source manner so as many people as possible could read from it, query it and find how their individual ideas are affected by these organizations, preferably to be done on a blockchain to maximize Censorship resistance so that we may get a clear understanding with verifiable information traceable back to the source, just like in an academic paper. Use what already exists, categorize it and draw the connections between all the known factors. All searchable and open source for anyone to use, expand upon and discuss. This will allow anyone to see if their Governments give them the opportunity to participate in their own Governance or if it is nothing more than a Facade with no opportunity for Citizens to meaningfully put concerns forward... Basically: Are you living in a Oligarchy? Has your entire Legal Structure been setup to support an Elitist control structure, with no means of Personal Sovereignty?
I would recommend this Blockchain Database to be verified with hashes of original materials, to be setup as a side-chain for the Bitcoin mining protocol to protect it's integrity. so, academic papers, the written mandates, individual forms for submission and their hierarchy, Books, Historical documents, anything relevant has to be included into the Blockchain in as broad a scope as possible to make sure all points of view are accounted for.
The key words here are: Organizations, Governments, Businesses, Conglomerates, Cartels, Corporations, Courts, Markets, Laws, Mandates, Policies, Legal Structures, Mass Media, Sociology, Currencies, Populations, Demographics, Education, Psychology, Individuals, Forms, History, Lobbyists, Scientific Analysis, hierarchies, etc...
We have no choice at this point, we have to begin mapping out these systems and drawing correlations between them in a way that regular people can search through and be able to know what forms they must fill out and who they must speak to, with known historical outcomes of different actions.
Wow! Passion? Energy? Je ne sais quoi? These are heavy tasks and to do them in a distributed way I would have thought impossible. However, your post and the calories behind it make me have faith that this may be the next revolutionary war. What would you like me to do to help? I know I sound sarcastic but I am not. This world is ready for change. We need more of this kind of energy and undogged determination. Not my strong suit but I see it and repect it here.
The fed is crazy! What the hell does Charlie have to go to jail for two years for? If you are going to do bitcoin, be careful you don't do something illegal!!!!
Thanks for the head's up! I'll make sure not to conspire with drug dealers to launder cash. lol
laundering cash with bitcoins, or cats, or washing machines its all the same. yup
An objective observation here: Shrem's notorious lifestyle certainly did not help his case. Regardless of the morality of the law and its interpretation thereof, if one conspicuously and flagrantly indulges in illegal intoxicants with shady hangers-on and women of negotiable affections, with profits made from dodgy websites, then one is asking for trouble.
Two years for him while all those banking exec douchebags who helped facilitate money laundering on an industrial scale got off with fines. Crazy world.
AGREED
lol he's such a moron!!
He knew what he was doing. They've got kyc in place but he made an exception for this case due to greed. All along from the outside he made himself to be someone to be strict on kyc and compliance.
He'll only actually serve about 18 months in prison. Should get about 3.6 months good time and another 3 months home confinement or halfway house for the last bit of his sentence.
He wont be in any cell. He'll be at a prison camp where time will fly so fast. He'll be going into the system as already being a "short timer". In terms of FED sentencing, he got off super easy.
He wont be in any cell. He'll be at a prison camp where time will fly so fast. He'll be going into the system as already being a "short timer". In terms of FED sentencing, he got off super easy.
This is very sad, not only because Charlie is in Jail, but because it discourages people from wanting to create businesses with Bitcoin.
It should discourage people from creating illegal businesses, not businesses with Bitcoin.
All businesses are illegal unless you pay bribes of various types and by other names. Even something as simple as selling a single human hair.
Supposedly Silk Road was only for select victimless "crimes" and banned personal weapons (despite their mere possession being a human right infringed worldwide), terrorism, murder for hire, human trafficking, child porn, ID theft, or any legitimate (victimful) crime from being facilitated on it. Perhaps the US Navy devs who made TOR should be executed for all those things, because that's what happened/s elsewhere on TOR.
This is a important factor that needs to be addressed, what is the legality by territory of Freedom? What amount of Freedom is allowed, is Freedom of Speech allowed? What level of Freedom of Action is allowed?
I would recommend that someone help out the community by creating a relational database in Neo4j of related laws affecting Bitcoin and which organization has say in the Enforcement and decision making of those laws, their mandate and global effects throughout their history. There is no need to Gimp the Community by spreading FUD... we need to tackle this in a scientific and replicable manner... we believe in p2p lets use our collective minds, actions and Dreams in our favor.
so scope would be global
1: Figure out Global organizations that can affect Bitcoin
2: Continental Organizations
3: Country specific ones
4: Provincial, State, Department, etc organizations within individual governments
next we figure out how they interact with each other starting from largest to smallest
1: Which Global Organizations have legal structures over-seeing smaller ones?
2: What mandate do these large and small organization have in common with each other?
3: Is there any breaks in the legal structures? Do smaller autonomous Regional organizations have conflicting interests?
4: Who are these Organizations accountable too and do they have legal structures for their Constituents/representatives to put motions forward?
Now we figure out the history of the organizations and spot anyone s that used to exist but no longer do and what effect they have had on global events.
1: Begin researching original mandates of these organizations and how they have changed over time and why.
2: How have they interacted with other known organizations over time?
3: What effect have these Organizations had on Global events?
4: What factors have lead to these decisions and changes in mandate?
last we measure the psychological, physical, social effects that these organizations have had on their Constituents/Citizens
1: What effect have the histories of these organizations had on the population of the World?
2: What changes in the way that people have interacted changed?
3: How has the mass media been affected? are they self censoring, have their been major changes in their staff? Any major dissidents and what has happened to them?
4: What are the intentional and unintentional along with interesting effects that these organizations have had?
This all would have to be done in an open source manner so as many people as possible could read from it, query it and find how their individual ideas are affected by these organizations, preferably to be done on a blockchain to maximize Censorship resistance so that we may get a clear understanding with verifiable information traceable back to the source, just like in an academic paper. Use what already exists, categorize it and draw the connections between all the known factors. All searchable and open source for anyone to use, expand upon and discuss. This will allow anyone to see if their Governments give them the opportunity to participate in their own Governance or if it is nothing more than a Facade with no opportunity for Citizens to meaningfully put concerns forward... Basically: Are you living in a Oligarchy? Has your entire Legal Structure been setup to support an Elitist control structure, with no means of Personal Sovereignty?
I would recommend this Blockchain Database to be verified with hashes of original materials, to be setup as a side-chain for the Bitcoin mining protocol to protect it's integrity. so, academic papers, the written mandates, individual forms for submission and their hierarchy, Books, Historical documents, anything relevant has to be included into the Blockchain in as broad a scope as possible to make sure all points of view are accounted for.
The key words here are: Organizations, Governments, Businesses, Conglomerates, Cartels, Corporations, Courts, Markets, Laws, Mandates, Policies, Legal Structures, Mass Media, Sociology, Currencies, Populations, Demographics, Education, Psychology, Individuals, Forms, History, Lobbyists, Scientific Analysis, hierarchies, etc...
We have no choice at this point, we have to begin mapping out these systems and drawing correlations between them in a way that regular people can search through and be able to know what forms they must fill out and who they must speak to, with known historical outcomes of different actions.
I would recommend that someone help out the community by creating a relational database in Neo4j of related laws affecting Bitcoin and which organization has say in the Enforcement and decision making of those laws, their mandate and global effects throughout their history. There is no need to Gimp the Community by spreading FUD... we need to tackle this in a scientific and replicable manner... we believe in p2p lets use our collective minds, actions and Dreams in our favor.
so scope would be global
1: Figure out Global organizations that can affect Bitcoin
2: Continental Organizations
3: Country specific ones
4: Provincial, State, Department, etc organizations within individual governments
next we figure out how they interact with each other starting from largest to smallest
1: Which Global Organizations have legal structures over-seeing smaller ones?
2: What mandate do these large and small organization have in common with each other?
3: Is there any breaks in the legal structures? Do smaller autonomous Regional organizations have conflicting interests?
4: Who are these Organizations accountable too and do they have legal structures for their Constituents/representatives to put motions forward?
Now we figure out the history of the organizations and spot anyone s that used to exist but no longer do and what effect they have had on global events.
1: Begin researching original mandates of these organizations and how they have changed over time and why.
2: How have they interacted with other known organizations over time?
3: What effect have these Organizations had on Global events?
4: What factors have lead to these decisions and changes in mandate?
last we measure the psychological, physical, social effects that these organizations have had on their Constituents/Citizens
1: What effect have the histories of these organizations had on the population of the World?
2: What changes in the way that people have interacted changed?
3: How has the mass media been affected? are they self censoring, have their been major changes in their staff? Any major dissidents and what has happened to them?
4: What are the intentional and unintentional along with interesting effects that these organizations have had?
This all would have to be done in an open source manner so as many people as possible could read from it, query it and find how their individual ideas are affected by these organizations, preferably to be done on a blockchain to maximize Censorship resistance so that we may get a clear understanding with verifiable information traceable back to the source, just like in an academic paper. Use what already exists, categorize it and draw the connections between all the known factors. All searchable and open source for anyone to use, expand upon and discuss. This will allow anyone to see if their Governments give them the opportunity to participate in their own Governance or if it is nothing more than a Facade with no opportunity for Citizens to meaningfully put concerns forward... Basically: Are you living in a Oligarchy? Has your entire Legal Structure been setup to support an Elitist control structure, with no means of Personal Sovereignty?
I would recommend this Blockchain Database to be verified with hashes of original materials, to be setup as a side-chain for the Bitcoin mining protocol to protect it's integrity. so, academic papers, the written mandates, individual forms for submission and their hierarchy, Books, Historical documents, anything relevant has to be included into the Blockchain in as broad a scope as possible to make sure all points of view are accounted for.
The key words here are: Organizations, Governments, Businesses, Conglomerates, Cartels, Corporations, Courts, Markets, Laws, Mandates, Policies, Legal Structures, Mass Media, Sociology, Currencies, Populations, Demographics, Education, Psychology, Individuals, Forms, History, Lobbyists, Scientific Analysis, hierarchies, etc...
We have no choice at this point, we have to begin mapping out these systems and drawing correlations between them in a way that regular people can search through and be able to know what forms they must fill out and who they must speak to, with known historical outcomes of different actions.
The nose knows.
I watch "Rise and rise of Bitcoin" and listen to Charlie saying "I don't wanna go to jail" for some keks.
Greedy jew got off easy if you ask me.
I watch "Rise and rise of Bitcoin" and listen to Charlie saying "I don't wanna go to jail" for some keks.
Greedy jew got off easy if you ask me.
Still confused. Thats where I heard about him the first time as well, and they said he was under house arrest.
Is this jail thing for 2 years, a new thing come up?
He was under house arrest while waiting to go on trial.
He went on trial and got 2 years.
That being said let this be a lesson to anyone wanting to use Bitcoin for illicit purposes.
The lesson is:
. <--- this is your asshole now
O <---- this is your asshole in jail
Thanks for clearing that up.
ANd to add to it, this is probably only in the states. Laws arent cleraly defined in some other countries.
The nose knows.
I watch "Rise and rise of Bitcoin" and listen to Charlie saying "I don't wanna go to jail" for some keks.
Greedy jew got off easy if you ask me.
I watch "Rise and rise of Bitcoin" and listen to Charlie saying "I don't wanna go to jail" for some keks.
Greedy jew got off easy if you ask me.
Still confused. Thats where I heard about him the first time as well, and they said he was under house arrest.
Is this jail thing for 2 years, a new thing come up?
He was under house arrest while waiting to go on trial.
He went on trial and got 2 years.
That being said let this be a lesson to anyone wanting to use Bitcoin for illicit purposes.
The lesson is:
. <--- this is your asshole now
O <---- this is your asshole in jail
The nose knows.
I watch "Rise and rise of Bitcoin" and listen to Charlie saying "I don't wanna go to jail" for some keks.
Greedy jew got off easy if you ask me.
I watch "Rise and rise of Bitcoin" and listen to Charlie saying "I don't wanna go to jail" for some keks.
Greedy jew got off easy if you ask me.
Still confused. Thats where I heard about him the first time as well, and they said he was under house arrest.
Is this jail thing for 2 years, a new thing come up?
wow, the charges getting more ridiculous.
The fed is crazy! What the hell does Charlie have to go to jail for two years for? If you are going to do bitcoin, be careful you don't do something illegal!!!!
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=1&ved=0CB0QqQIoADAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2F2014%2F12%2F19%2Fus-usa-crime-bitcoin-idUSKBN0JX2CW20141219&ei=rMWUVKLpNMOqgwSH7oP4BA&usg=AFQjCNGY-k3vxmX8GQZn6B79VyKyv0NvOw&sig2=7Y12SnWRSVOzXtIXhUwGJg&bvm=bv.82001339,d.eXY
Everyone should prepare some care packages and send them to the jail. He could use a little sympathy from the community.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=1&ved=0CB0QqQIoADAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2F2014%2F12%2F19%2Fus-usa-crime-bitcoin-idUSKBN0JX2CW20141219&ei=rMWUVKLpNMOqgwSH7oP4BA&usg=AFQjCNGY-k3vxmX8GQZn6B79VyKyv0NvOw&sig2=7Y12SnWRSVOzXtIXhUwGJg&bvm=bv.82001339,d.eXY
Everyone should prepare some care packages and send them to the jail. He could use a little sympathy from the community.
I sensed a problem when the court forced him to plead guilty in the hope of decreasing jail term. Does anyone know what evidence have they shown against him ?
His jail sentence was so exaggerated.. Nothing for HSBC criminals...
This is very sad, not only because Charlie is in Jail, but because it discourages people from wanting to create businesses with Bitcoin.
It should discourage people from creating illegal businesses, not businesses with Bitcoin.
The nose knows.
I watch "Rise and rise of Bitcoin" and listen to Charlie saying "I don't wanna go to jail" for some keks.
Greedy jew got off easy if you ask me.
I watch "Rise and rise of Bitcoin" and listen to Charlie saying "I don't wanna go to jail" for some keks.
Greedy jew got off easy if you ask me.
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