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Quote from: BawsyBoss on May 11, 2014, 08:59:48 AM

You are assuming that the OP has time to go through all of the person's posts every time he pays out, something which most probably isn't true. We can clear see with both PrimeDice and Ritz that their guidelines are not stopping spammers.

We have enough people to work through posts I think, though it does create a lot of work that could be avoided with a limited group. I will look at some of the technical ways we can solve a lot of this work. If we go down that route of per post then we will probably be able to build some kind of instant cashout function like we do with our affiliate program. This would satisfy the people who want to see payments showing before they switch links etc, also people who are happy with weekly or monthly could just take as they wish, or setup some auto payment I guess.

I am leaning towards the instant payment setup as it would mean we would be able to monitor and catch the spammers straight away i guess. problem is you don't know who are the spammers until a few comments have passed. Some posts like "I agree etc". Then one serious one some posts later, is a hard line to police properly.

How are the signature links added, some kind of javascript that we can kill on our end? Or some image load from our servers?

Thanks for all the wonderful advice, it is truly appreciated.

Regards

Aris

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@OP... Like I stated in PM, we should contact over gmail or something, much quicker, as for your account is still time restricted in posting.
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Quote from: Light on May 11, 2014, 01:51:41 AM

I would suggest you look at a pay per post option - it might not be a popular choice with mods (tendency to promote spam) but if you set tough guidelines and enforce them people will back off from simply mindlessly spamming. It also gives you reasonably good exposure - nearly everyone has heard of PD thanks to their campaign.

Your rates will have to be competitive, at least early on. Use a known escrow to ensure funds are there to pay people. Finally, make sure you follow your payment time - people tend to get fustrated if you can't follow your payout terms.

You are assuming that the OP has time to go through all of the person's posts every time he pays out, something which most probably isn't true. We can clear see with both PrimeDice and Ritz that their guidelines are not stopping spammers.

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Quote from: NLNico on May 11, 2014, 01:53:25 AM

Please do not pay per post ! Way too much spam because of that. Also other things like "bonus for the one with most posts" are really terrible IMO. Please do not promote spam.

I personally only use signature programs that just pay per month and have a reasonable(!) minimum posts per month (50 is really the max I would join.)

I have been in 3 different programs that were all run by EvilPanda and I like his program rules (never pay per post, just a fair min.) So perhaps he can help you with it. Also good for trustworthiness of your program (if you give him the bitcoins in advance) so people don't have to doubt you.

Monthly/weekly doesn't matter to me.

I thoroughly second that. 50 posts per month is ideal for a lot of people that do work.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on May 11, 2014, 02:02:00 AM

Quote from: NLNico on May 11, 2014, 01:53:25 AM

Please do not pay per post ! Way too much spam because of that. Also other things like "bonus for the one with most posts" are really terrible IMO. Please do not promote spam.

I personally only use signature programs that just pay per month and have a reasonable(!) minimum posts per month (50 is really the max I would join.)

I have been in 3 different programs that were all run by EvilPanda and I like his program rules (never pay per post, just a fair min.) So perhaps he can help you with it. Also good for trustworthiness of your program (if you give him the bitcoins in advance) so people don't have to doubt you.

Monthly/weekly doesn't matter to me.

Fixed rate ones are great if you only make a handful of posts. Not so much if you do 50 posts a day though. I think that signature providers need to do their bit in cutting down or not paying people who abuse the system. There are also several other deals that offer a fixed rate already so he'll have to find a way to better them whilst making it worthwhile to himself as an advertiser. Paying for a fixed amount for a small number of posts only gets you limited exposure, but it's also the cheaper option. I guess it depends on the needs and budget of the advertiser.

Fixed is just terrible, I make a couple hundred posts per month, and I would earn much less with fixed rates.

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Quote from: NLNico on May 11, 2014, 01:53:25 AM

Please do not pay per post ! Way too much spam because of that. Also other things like "bonus for the one with most posts" are really terrible IMO. Please do not promote spam.

I personally only use signature programs that just pay per month and have a reasonable(!) minimum posts per month (50 is really the max I would join.)

I have been in 3 different programs that were all run by EvilPanda and I like his program rules (never pay per post, just a fair min.) So perhaps he can help you with it. Also good for trustworthiness of your program (if you give him the bitcoins in advance) so people don't have to doubt you.

Monthly/weekly doesn't matter to me.

Fixed rate ones are great if you only make a handful of posts. Not so much if you do 50 posts a day though. I think that signature providers need to do their bit in cutting down or not paying people who abuse the system. There are also several other deals that offer a fixed rate already so he'll have to find a way to better them whilst making it worthwhile to himself as an advertiser. Paying for a fixed amount for a small number of posts only gets you limited exposure, but it's also the cheaper option. I guess it depends on the needs and budget of the advertiser.

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Please do not pay per post ! Way too much spam because of that. Also other things like "bonus for the one with most posts" are really terrible IMO. Please do not promote spam.

I personally only use signature programs that just pay per month and have a reasonable(!) minimum posts per month (50 is really the max I would join.)

I have been in 3 different programs that were all run by EvilPanda and I like his program rules (never pay per post, just a fair min.) So perhaps he can help you with it. Also good for trustworthiness of your program (if you give him the bitcoins in advance) so people don't have to doubt you.

Monthly/weekly doesn't matter to me.

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I would suggest you look at a pay per post option - it might not be a popular choice with mods (tendency to promote spam) but if you set tough guidelines and enforce them people will back off from simply mindlessly spamming. It also gives you reasonably good exposure - nearly everyone has heard of PD thanks to their campaign.

Your rates will have to be competitive, at least early on. Use a known escrow to ensure funds are there to pay people. Finally, make sure you follow your payment time - people tend to get fustrated if you can't follow your payout terms.

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Quote from: wintime on May 10, 2014, 06:31:33 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on May 10, 2014, 05:54:50 PM

However, Updownbit has a new deal and pays 10000 satoshis more per post but his first payouts will be on Thursday, so until then it's not confirmed whether he is legitimate or not.

Thanks for the pointer, this part is something of interest to me. We have realtime affiliate statistics and instant affiliate payments, no need for waiting for money. If you are owed anything at any time then you can withdraw instantly.good.

Maybe be the first person to offer daily payouts then? You'll probably need a bot to do it though. Being able to use affiliate links is a big plus too. We've been waiting a while to be able to use them on PD.

Quote from: BawsyBoss on May 10, 2014, 06:38:37 PM

To add to what he said, howzar is also running a campaign, although I do not trust him completely (yet). EvilPanda has a longer history than him in these regards. About the benefits, that's really up to you. Maybe a loyalty program such as increasing payment for each consecutive month/week. I am not sure if what you said about not being able to do more than weekly was an error, but weekly itself is already quite good.

Well I was going to suggest Howzar as well but he's currently banned so that's not looking good.

If you wanted to give your deal the extra edge without breaking the bank you could also offer a raffle for everyone who joins. Like, for every person who takes part in the signature campaign is automatically entered into a raffle to win a Bitcoin (or whatever) at the end of the month. Maybe you get 1 ticket for every 100 posts or something.

You also don't have to pay per post but it's hard finding a balance between something that is worth it to both the users and you as an advertiser. I look forward to what you come up with though.

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Yep. Honestly, I feel that you have to up your payment to net you followers.

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Quote from: wintime on May 10, 2014, 06:31:33 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on May 10, 2014, 05:54:50 PM

Put the money you wish to pay out with a trusted escrow, and/or pay weekly. There are a couple of people who run signature campaigns here on behalf of others. EvilPanda is one and currently operates at least two deals.

I will send a message to EvilPanda once i got a sense of who are all the trusted people. I have a max post limit currently which makes it really hard to actually talk with anyone.

Quote from: hilariousandco on May 10, 2014, 05:54:50 PM

RitzGrandCasino is currently the highest paying confirmed deal and his rates are as follows:

Hero members 0.0013 BTC Per constructive post.
Sr member 0.0011 BTC Per constructive post.
Full Members 0.0007 BTC Per constructive post.
Members 0.0005 BTC Per constructive post.

Quote from: hilariousandco on May 10, 2014, 05:54:50 PM

You don't necessarily have to better or match these rates if your campaign has other benefits.

If anyone has any idea what those benefits might look like then let me know, for the moment I am too tired to offer cuddles.

Aris

I think one campaign was offering people a coupon, plus the money. And another one a while back offered things from their site, or gambling credit I think.

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Quote from: wintime on May 10, 2014, 06:31:33 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on May 10, 2014, 05:54:50 PM

Put the money you wish to pay out with a trusted escrow, and/or pay weekly. There are a couple of people who run signature campaigns here on behalf of others. EvilPanda is one and currently operates at least two deals.

I will send a message to EvilPanda once i got a sense of who are all the trusted people. I have a max post limit currently which makes it really hard to actually talk with anyone.

Quote from: hilariousandco on May 10, 2014, 05:54:50 PM

RitzGrandCasino is currently the highest paying confirmed deal and his rates are as follows:

Hero members 0.0013 BTC Per constructive post.
Sr member 0.0011 BTC Per constructive post.
Full Members 0.0007 BTC Per constructive post.
Members 0.0005 BTC Per constructive post.

This will be interesting it seems, I can the problem with per posts as the "per constructive post" is subjective for payment, for the forum owners and for us also. I am keen to avoid any kind of friction point with anyone.

Quote from: hilariousandco on May 10, 2014, 05:54:50 PM

However, Updownbit has a new deal and pays 10000 satoshis more per post but his first payouts will be on Thursday, so until then it's not confirmed whether he is legitimate or not.

Thanks for the pointer, this part is something of interest to me. We have realtime affiliate statistics and instant affiliate payments, no need for waiting for money. If you are owed anything at any time then you can withdraw instantly.

It is a shame we can't do better than weekly like we do with everything else. Anyone have any better way we can approach this? II don't like the idea of people waiting for the week to end to see if they will get paid etc?

I think for the moment, escrow with more trusted users will solve this for the moment, though it would be nice to see what else can be done.

Quote from: hilariousandco on May 10, 2014, 05:54:50 PM

You don't necessarily have to better or match these rates if your campaign has other benefits.

If anyone has any idea what those benefits might look like then let me know, for the moment I am too tired to offer cuddles.

Aris

To add to what he said, howzar is also running a campaign, although I do not trust him completely (yet). EvilPanda has a longer history than him in these regards. About the benefits, that's really up to you. Maybe a loyalty program such as increasing payment for each consecutive month/week. I am not sure if what you said about not being able to do more than weekly was an error, but weekly itself is already quite good.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on May 10, 2014, 05:54:50 PM

Put the money you wish to pay out with a trusted escrow, and/or pay weekly. There are a couple of people who run signature campaigns here on behalf of others. EvilPanda is one and currently operates at least two deals.

I will send a message to EvilPanda once i got a sense of who are all the trusted people. I have a max post limit currently which makes it really hard to actually talk with anyone.

Quote from: hilariousandco on May 10, 2014, 05:54:50 PM

RitzGrandCasino is currently the highest paying confirmed deal and his rates are as follows:

Hero members 0.0013 BTC Per constructive post.
Sr member 0.0011 BTC Per constructive post.
Full Members 0.0007 BTC Per constructive post.
Members 0.0005 BTC Per constructive post.

This will be interesting it seems, I can the problem with per posts as the "per constructive post" is subjective for payment, for the forum owners and for us also. I am keen to avoid any kind of friction point with anyone.

Quote from: hilariousandco on May 10, 2014, 05:54:50 PM

However, Updownbit has a new deal and pays 10000 satoshis more per post but his first payouts will be on Thursday, so until then it's not confirmed whether he is legitimate or not.

Thanks for the pointer, this part is something of interest to me. We have realtime affiliate statistics and instant affiliate payments, no need for waiting for money. If you are owed anything at any time then you can withdraw instantly.

It is a shame we can't do better than weekly like we do with everything else. Anyone have any better way we can approach this? II don't like the idea of people waiting for the week to end to see if they will get paid etc?

I think for the moment, escrow with more trusted users will solve this for the moment, though it would be nice to see what else can be done.

Quote from: hilariousandco on May 10, 2014, 05:54:50 PM

You don't necessarily have to better or match these rates if your campaign has other benefits.

If anyone has any idea what those benefits might look like then let me know, for the moment I am too tired to offer cuddles.

Aris

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I agree with those above about the weekly payouts. Personally, I wouldn't mind joining a campaign that paid slightly less if it paid weekly. This is one of the reasons why BitMixer (now killed by competition) was so successful at first.

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I have been with Primedice for awhile and really like it.

If you are going to break into this area you may want to try things differently than what most other folks are doing.

For example, you may want to consider weekly payments rather than monthly. This would allow you to build up your reputation.

Lots of people abuse these types of programs, so rather than have it be open, you may want to just try and recruit people rather than have an open call.

You also may want to have much lower limits for how many posts. Most programs have 50 as the minimum to get paid. You may want to try a lower minimum as well as a lower maximum. There are more and more complaints about spamming.

Finally, you may just want to start by advertising on the forums rather than doing a paid signature campaign.

Good Luck!

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A pay per post campaign is good for members, but most likely will be exploited by spammers. I would say a fixed rate per month for full members and above would be the best campaign for you from a business perpective. Find a sig designer to design an eye catching sig and then deposit a few btc to a trustworthy escrow and start asking members to join. Rates for each member group is up to you, I think the going rate for 50 posts a month is 0.1 for hero/senior and 0.05 for full members.

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Quote from: wintime on May 10, 2014, 05:50:37 PM

Quote from: BawsyBoss on May 10, 2014, 05:18:36 PM

Although it is just slightly outdated, you can check here for each campaign's rates: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-of-signature-ad-campaigns-333916

Thanks. Reading with big eyes :-)

Quote from: BawsyBoss on May 10, 2014, 05:18:36 PM

I recommend running a campaign based around a minimum amount of posts and a fixed payment amount, since pay-per-posts are looked down upon a lot by mods.

This i am presuming is the minimum amount of posts they have made on this site total? correct? The fixed payment amount for those posts would have a duration period i am guessing? This would be a weekly payment period for those posts?

I certainly don't want to encourage any spam or get booted from the forum. Thanks for mentioning this. It is appreciated.

Quote from: BawsyBoss on May 10, 2014, 05:18:36 PM

In fact, a few dozen bans were given out to participants of PPP campaigns (I am not sure how much other campaigns were affected).

Perhaps i should try to avoid this by speaking with the mods first.

Check out the "Meta" sub-forum to see complaints of people who have been banned for being in these campaigns along with explanations by mods. By minimum amount of posts I mean that participants are required to create at least a certain amount of posts for a certain period of time in order to get paid at the end of the month. For example, if the required number of posts is 50 with a payout of 1 BTC (hypothetical, of course), users get paid nothing for posting anything less than 50, they get paid 1 BTC for making 50 posts, and get paid 1 BTC as well for making 100 posts total. So long as it is over the limit, they get paid the same amount. This discourages users from spamming, since you are not getting paid for any posts over the limit. A few examples of this method can be found in this sub-forum, such as GAWMiners and LuckyBit, if you want to take a look. Both of these require 50 posts minimum per month for a payout between 0.04 BTC and 0.1 BTC depending on the member's rank.

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Put the money you wish to pay out with a trusted escrow, and/or pay weekly. There are a couple of people who run signature campaigns here on behalf of others. EvilPanda is one and currently operates at least two deals.

RitzGrandCasino is currently the highest paying confirmed deal and his rates are as follows:

Hero members 0.0013 BTC Per constructive post.
Sr member 0.0011 BTC Per constructive post.
Full Members 0.0007 BTC Per constructive post.
Members 0.0005 BTC Per constructive post.

However, Updownbit has a new deal and pays 10000 satoshis more per post but his first payouts will be on Thursday, so until then it's not confirmed whether he is legitimate or not.

You don't necessarily have to better or match these rates if your campaign has other benefits.

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Quote from: BawsyBoss on May 10, 2014, 05:18:36 PM

Although it is just slightly outdated, you can check here for each campaign's rates: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-of-signature-ad-campaigns-333916

Thanks. Reading with big eyes :-)

Quote from: BawsyBoss on May 10, 2014, 05:18:36 PM

I recommend running a campaign based around a minimum amount of posts and a fixed payment amount, since pay-per-posts are looked down upon a lot by mods.

This i am presuming is the minimum amount of posts they have made on this site total? correct? The fixed payment amount for those posts would have a duration period i am guessing? This would be a weekly payment period for those posts?

I certainly don't want to encourage any spam or get booted from the forum. Thanks for mentioning this. It is appreciated.

Quote from: BawsyBoss on May 10, 2014, 05:18:36 PM

In fact, a few dozen bans were given out to participants of PPP campaigns (I am not sure how much other campaigns were affected).

Perhaps i should try to avoid this by speaking with the mods first.

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Quote from: wintime on May 10, 2014, 04:42:13 PM

Hello peoples, this is my second post here so be gentle.

I am Aris, we played around a bit with the typical high/low dice type approach to online games, we would like to spend a little time finding out what people suggest is a good signature program and how much seems to be the going rate.

Does anyone have any tips or can point me to a good guide on how to run a good signature campaign?

Regards

I am Aris, we played around a bit - U r an individual or a group of people ?

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