Topic: Silk Road Case: The Real, Untold Story. Is Karpelès Satoshi or DPR? (Read 800 times)

there is probably a new opportunity for Ross Ulbricht and the opportunity is called Donald Trump...
if DT is elected, he reportedly wants to change R. Ulbricht's sentence on the first day of his presidency. sounds good so far, but about 'saying' is not 'doing'. i'm curious how it will be received or accepted in the community.

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/05/26/trump-pledges-to-free-silk-road-creator-ross-ulbricht-if-re-elected/

Bitcoin magazine today published an article about Ross Ulbricht and his now exactly 10 years in jail. really very worth reading!

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/10-years-bitcoin-silk-road-ross-ulbricht-jail-justice

This is true, Ross gave up his administrator account of Silk Road to DPR.


There are so too much more questions than answers regarding the insights of Silk Roads case... Perhaps we'll never find out the entire truth.


This is good, as it proves that even guys working for the government realized that they went too far against Ross and they orchestrated that joke of a trial against him. Still, Ross remains in jail for a double life sentence (which he will never be able to do, for obvious reasons), without possibility of parole and without any further legal way to trying to combat the unfair sentence. Only the President may give him a parole, but it seems that no US President is willing to do it.

I know the silk road case but never dug up like this because of your thread I'm started to search about Silkroad, the news said that roos is the owner of DPR account but the movie said the dpr account is no longer hold by ross

there is something fishy here, maybe that karpeles is owned the DPR or maybe other person and he has cooperated with the gov just like the secret agent and the DEA agent who was corrupt and got 6 years in prison and make the ross is still have control of DPR account

damn how many bitcoin had flown in silk road case  

and by lookup the https://freeross.org/ actually there are dozen people from the government that also support the ross

In your earlier posts you insisted on murder-for-hire aspect until I explained (proved) you that all those charges were dropped. So you stop mentioning that. Now you insist on drug selling, yet you do not answer to a very legitimate question:


It's so easy to speak while not knowing specific details about this case. It's so easy to speak while it's not you the one behind bars for life. Why were all those dark market owners caught, imprisoned and also set frr from jail, for same offense, while Ross has to spend a double lifetime sentence? Plus 40 years! Does this make any sense?

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Actually, this is not "OP's conspiracy theory" I merely described what documentary presents.


True. Yet Ross' defense was that in the last period, just before getting caught, DPR needed his assistance for some things and this is why he had to log on the site from time to time. Be it a lie or not, the way his laptop was confiscated and manipulated by Police after confiscation did not follow the legal procedures, not to mention that they were practically allowed to plant any data they wanted until the laptop was presented as evidence. All these are detailed in the documentary. If you would just be willing to watch it, you would understand better.

As a consequence, that laptop should have never been accepted as a legit evidence in the court. But they wanted to make sure they have a name sentenced for life thus they did anything they could for framing this man as much as possible.

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This is probably the most reasonable and logical answer to OP's conspiracy theory. And lets face it, it is just a conspiracy theory with absolutely no hard evidence but rather one of those "matching of random coincidences for the fabrication of a baseless evidence"- kind of theories.

Even if Karpeles was DPR, if he was morally corrupt enough to scam and steal from people, then obviously he would be corrupt enough to rug-pull the entire Bitcoin community no matter how high the price was at the time (and it was high enough for him to have made a considerable profit, had he been involved)

As far as I remember the story, Ross got caught red handed as DPR. Thats really the biggest evidence against him, in my opinion.

there are certain things
like FTX which is just financial crimes the so called "no physical harm" thing your chanting and yet people feel he deserves 120 years in prison

so there is one dude involved in facilitating the sales of a substance that can cause overdose and deaths you want free.. and another guy that just messed around with money.

sentencing has guidelines of money involved, people involved. number of times an offence is done

its not like he just named dropped someone he knew which resulted in a one time drug deal of just personal use amounts. he ran a drug den for years of harsh drugs that can kill

i know you want to make it sound like "he just ran a website"
but so did scam bankman fraud if we used your same mindset

but we all know ross done more then just develop a website. he actually done alot more behind the scenes then that.

again if it was just selling personal use amounts of weed. he would have been released by now. but he is not released becasue of the many things he done over the years.

Oh I see! Thank you for this hint And thanks again for the links.

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Yes, technically speaking, he was actually caught while running the website. Yet this would never be a reason good enough for charging someone with two life sentences, while the person was at his first offense.


And even if it were so, there is still no explanation for how was possible to have owners of SR 2.0, SR 3.0 and others caught / imprisoned / released already, while this man is left behind the bars with no possibility of parole.


If you would have actually studied the case or, at least, watched the documentary, you would have found out that all murder-for-hire charges were dropped during the trial, as there was not any evidence indicating it.


You keep insisting on the part about hiring hitmen, murders etc., while all these charges were dropped. So in the end we have someone, at first offense, put for life behind the bars for running a website / for a victimless crime. I would recommend you again to watch the documentary -- it'll help you understand some parts which you think you know but, in fact, you don't, and they cloud your judgement regarding the case.

I am not saying Ross was all innocent. Yet nothing from what he did justifies such a harsh sentence. Nothing he did justifies a decision leading to impossibility of parole. Nothing justifies the evidence accepted by the court which did not follow the legal path for being brought in front of the court. Combine all these with the corrupt DEA agents which were part of the case, which stole BTC, which extort Ross and which were directly interested to have framed. And there's more, much more than these few examples I said here.

Haha, he has already alledged that this guy is the Bitcointalk owner too (in other words, theymos).

So this must bean satoshi = theymos


Yes, Youtube would rather spend their time serving you with irrelevant ads (possibly in different languages if you are using a VPN), than letting you watch actual content because that part of the service doesn't make any money for them.

@GazetaBitcoin

heres the thing.
he was not just "running a website"

it wasnt like craigs list where anything was just randomly sold
it was a website geared for the illicit content. advertised for illicit content.
he cant play ignorant pretending he didnt know what was on it. when the design of the website he made was designed for illicit stuff to be categorised.

oh and. you made alot of waffle trying to pretend he didnt run the website.. and then ended your last post saying he was arrested for.. running the website

so even you deep down know he was running the website and just are trying to promote lame and debunked claims he was a patsy blamed for something he was uninvolved in

reality check the FBI were for months pre-catching him. watching him and linking him to events and stuff he was involved in

and it was not just the website content. it was the illegal deals and the hitman stuff too, thus he is not innocent

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now here is the thing.
if he stuck to just weed. and he didnt go vengeance hitman hiring. he might have cause and claim to get his sentence reduced now weed is legal.

but because his crimes were more then "just weed" he has to serve a large sentence

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i know people think. "if i use bitcoin it makes me immune from normal crimes.. sorry but no. if you intend to murder someone murder is murder no matter the payment method

if you want to broker cocaine deals its not the currency type that decides guilt or innocence
its how involved you are in brokering cocaine deals

he was the drug den.where he had a big sign saying get your cocaine here
and taking a cut for that
 not a vacant street corner

"Immutable". There is only one problem. People believes in it.

Very high.

The true Bitcoin's Origin story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mBrQx86ZbE

The plan is you make sure they get everything they need.

Make sure! The plan is not certain!

Container code.

"I call Charles and tell him VPN is a fact?". Why we dropped the titles. Tisco elegance..

Tell them about every day life.

Idk, ask g00gle and their sponsors.
They can ban anything if it doesn't agree with the mainstream narrative, that includes anything related with bitcoin and silk road.

I didn't use chatGPT Ai, just good old style internet search, and if you couldn't find it than you are probably using some ''normie'' search engines that are all messed up now.
I found several results using Brave search, SearX, and few other alternative search engines.

Why do you think they did it?


Then again: why would Youtube censorship take action here? What was the problem with that video (assuming there was a problem with it)...?


Sadly, no matter how much I searched it, I could not find it...


Yuuuuhuuuu! That's the video! Thank you so much, dkbit98! How did you manage to find it? Excepting that, have you watched it too?

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It's easy to talk while not knowing all details and, also, while you are outside of the bars. If you'd watch the video you'll find out some details which you never knew. Among others, he was caught while running SR because DPR was asking for his help in that period, with various requests. It is also possible that DPR did that on purpose, for framing Ross. Excepting that, Police force did not follow the legal procedure after taking his laptop (details which can be also found inside the documentary), thus they could tamper the evidence before the trial. For acting like that, this evidence should have not even been taken into consideration during the trial, as it became irrelevant evidence from law point of view, yet it was taken into consideration.


The aspects from above, together with many others, were contested by Ross in all possible Courts, including the Supreme Court of Justice, where he highlighted the fact that he was not given the chance for a fair trial. Yet all his attempts failed. Now it's late for defense indeed, but this does not mean he did not try to defend himself when the time was right. Many witness have been denied in court while others were accepted, although they were not supposed to. Same happened with the evidence provided. Please watch the video then come back to this thread.

In the end, we have one man behind bard for two life sentences (plus 40 additional years) -- like someone could actually fulfill such a sentence!!! -- for a crime without victims. For running a website! A man at his first offense!

Besides, how can it be explained that all other dark market owners which were caught after Ross were also released from jail, while this man is sentenced for life?!?

I don't know who owns that website, but it's obvious why they removed that page on website after it was removed from public youtube video.
There are other videos available on that website that still support Ross, and I see they are still active on social media.

It's possible that youtube channel owner who uploaded that video received strike warning from youtube censorship team, so he decided to make it private.
I am sure you can find that video reuploaded on other channels, or on alternative video platforms that are not supported and controlled by people who would want to control this.
You can chek and confirm if video posted below are the same as original video:

Here is one reupload on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvN32yFSeks

And same video uploaded on odysee:
https://odysee.com/@MadMaxMedia:1/Silk-Road:0

kerpeles sold domain name services

he sold one to ross

ross was caught years later still running silkroad and loads of evidence was found on rosses computer

ross was DPR

. but it is good comedy for ross to pretend he gave control to kerpeles even though ross was caught in a coffee shop with a laptop managing silkroad(red handed)

but if the guy wants to try to shift blame. he is a bit late to that defence

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its like me saying if some forum critic of mine caught me at a conference with my device logged into the forum and me typing into it . found me out
and years later i accused theymos of being franky1 because theymos offered the service(this forum) to let me register

its comedy. but a lame defence
especially when my devices browser history contains all the "post" pages and "edit post" pages of franky1 on-going from 2012-2023

February 2023 update: sadly, the Youtube link containing the documentary is not functional anymore. It actually works, but the user which posted the film restricted access to it by making it private.

I also tried to access the website freeross.org, knowing that it was also hosting the documentary. Yet another surprise:



Afterwards I tried to search the documentary on Google: still nothing. Apparently, the material is not present anymore on any website; or, at least, it's not accesible to public anymore. I searched using many keywords, including "Railroaded", this being the term used for the initial presentation of the material.

Now I'm asking: why did the Youtube user restrict the access to the film? Furthermore: why can't the documentary be found anymore on any other website? Even more importat: why was it eliminated even from the website of Free Ross foundation? If, for some reason, the websites hosting the material could choose to restrict public access to it (although it seems hard to believe that all those websites took this decision), still the question remains: why doesn't it appear anymore even on the site of the organization meant to support Ross?

Were all these websites pressured or threatened by agencies?

Maybe none of these questions will ever be answered.

However, if anyone manages to find the documentary online, please share it here as well.

I just saw this topic of theymos: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mark-karpeles-never-owned-bitcointalkorg-5049449.

I wasn't aware of its existence. Apparently, he answered to some of these questions a long time ago. At least to those related to the connection between Karpeles and BitcoinTalk.

No, it was made after the documentary raised some pertinent questions.

However, Karpeles is indeed a slippery guy. He was arrested, got out, arrested again... He found 200.000 BTC in a "forgotten" wallet of Mt. Gox, the trial for Mt. Gox's collapse isn't over, the clients didn't recover yet their loss and so on.