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Topic: SimpleVert.com: Triple merge mining, VTC/MON/PLX, 4% bonus MON + PLX - page 2. (Read 4251 times)

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i am getting lower hash rates in this pool
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Triple merged mining is launched  Grin

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Current merged mining address: [not set]

An error occurred: list index out of range
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...when trying to set merged mining?

thats most likely because you're using IE11. theres a known bug with that
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Triple merged mining is launched  Grin

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Current merged mining address: [not set]

An error occurred: list index out of range
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...when trying to set merged mining?
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Triple merged mining is launched  Grin
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Do you have an ETA on PLX mining? Tossing up whether it's worth setting up a p2pool until it is. Cheers.

We'll probably have something up late tonight, no guarantees though, if we hit snags it could easily take longer.
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Do you have an ETA on PLX mining? Tossing up whether it's worth setting up a p2pool until it is. Cheers.
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Ohh, I forgot to mention, we're testing the patched version on our vardiff stratum if you wanna try it out its on port 3344
Just switched my 8MH/s over.  Reject schema looks like it makes way more sense, and I haven't seen any uncatagorized/untracked rejects yet.

The vardiff looks decent too - didn't start too low, climbing gradually/slowly, and I haven't observed any weird diff change rejects that are so common on poorly designed pools.

Rock on!  And thank-you!

Edit: you still get untracked stratum shares when there is a VTC block change - would be nice to have these rejected with a proper message like "STALE-PrevHash".  But that's not nearly as important.

Yup, thats still an issue, but relatively minor for sure. Just as a heads up, we're rolling back the new code temporarily, we've detected a potentially significant issue with it and will be doing more local testing before redeploying

EDIT: the upgrade is running on the main server atm, looks solid, seems to have improved efficiency noticably
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Ohh, I forgot to mention, we're testing the patched version on our vardiff stratum if you wanna try it out its on port 3344
Just switched my 8MH/s over.  Reject schema looks like it makes way more sense, and I haven't seen any uncatagorized/untracked rejects yet.

The vardiff looks decent too - didn't start too low, climbing gradually/slowly, and I haven't observed any weird diff change rejects that are so common on poorly designed pools.

Rock on!  And thank-you!

Edit: you still get untracked stratum shares when there is a VTC block change - would be nice to have these rejected with a proper message like "STALE-PrevHash".  But that's not nearly as important.
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Thanks for posting! We're 99% sure this is caused by the way we hacked merged mining together. The way it is currently, stratum is (improperly) requesting a work restart every time there is a change in getauxblock. We're already testing a more robust stratum server that doesn't force a work flush for merged networks. This change will probably go live sometime tonight if testing doesn't turn up many bugs
Awesome.  It looks like SimpleVert might be around for a long time to come =).  1GH/s soon I think.

That was what I presumed as well, that the rejects were related to MON block changes.

Ohh, I forgot to mention, we're testing the patched version on our vardiff stratum if you wanna try it out its on port 3344
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Thanks for posting! We're 99% sure this is caused by the way we hacked merged mining together. The way it is currently, stratum is (improperly) requesting a work restart every time there is a change in getauxblock. We're already testing a more robust stratum server that doesn't force a work flush for merged networks. This change will probably go live sometime tonight if testing doesn't turn up many bugs
Awesome.  It looks like SimpleVert might be around for a long time to come =).  1GH/s soon I think.

That was what I presumed as well, that the rejects were related to MON block changes.
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I am getting a lot of rejects that appear to be invalidly classified as such - I suspect this is a bug related to merge-mining.

Basically the server is requesting work restarts A LOT, and these do not coincide with VTC block changes.  None of these work restarts occurred on a block change, and so the shares following them should NOT have been rejected.  If these shares were high enough to be a block, they would not have been an orphan, so rejecting them is flatly incorrect.  If a share is not a potential orphan block on the master chain (VTC), then it should always be a valid share (presuming it was computed correctly of course).

Code:
[11:11:37] Stratum from MRRentals Nsc requested work restart
[11:11:37] MRRentals Nsc stale share detected, submitting as user requested
[11:11:38] Rejected untracked stratum share from MRRentals Nsc
[11:11:38] MRRentals Nsc stale share detected, submitting as user requested
[11:11:38] Rejected untracked stratum share from MRRentals Nsc
<...>
[11:11:47] Stratum from miningrigrentals Nsc requested work restart
[11:11:47] miningrigrentals Nsc stale share detected, submitting as user requested
[11:11:47] Rejected untracked stratum share from miningrigrentals Nsc
<...>
[11:12:15] Stratum from miningrigrentals Nsc requested work restart

Please make fixing your stratum reject scheme a higher priority, and provide proper reject messages.

Thanks for posting! We're 99% sure this is caused by the way we hacked merged mining together. The way it is currently, stratum is (improperly) requesting a work restart every time there is a change in getauxblock. We're already testing a more robust stratum server that doesn't force a work flush for merged networks. This change will probably go live sometime tonight if testing doesn't turn up many bugs
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I am getting a lot of rejects that appear to be invalidly classified as such - I suspect this is a bug related to merge-mining.

Basically the server is requesting work restarts A LOT, and these do not coincide with VTC block changes.  None of these work restarts occurred on a block change, and so the shares following them should NOT have been rejected.  If these shares were high enough to be a block, they would not have been an orphan, so rejecting them is flatly incorrect.  If a share is not a potential orphan block on the master chain (VTC), then it should always be a valid share (presuming it was computed correctly of course).

Code:
[11:11:37] Stratum from MRRentals Nsc requested work restart
[11:11:37] MRRentals Nsc stale share detected, submitting as user requested
[11:11:38] Rejected untracked stratum share from MRRentals Nsc
[11:11:38] MRRentals Nsc stale share detected, submitting as user requested
[11:11:38] Rejected untracked stratum share from MRRentals Nsc
<...>
[11:11:47] Stratum from miningrigrentals Nsc requested work restart
[11:11:47] miningrigrentals Nsc stale share detected, submitting as user requested
[11:11:47] Rejected untracked stratum share from miningrigrentals Nsc
<...>
[11:12:15] Stratum from miningrigrentals Nsc requested work restart

Please make fixing your stratum reject scheme a higher priority, and provide proper reject messages.

Realize that with merged mining work restarts will occur when either a MON block or VTC block change happens. This is configurable on our end, but is how we're doing it at the moment. I can look into this issue more for you soon, but we haven't heard reports from other people of problems like this, so I think this may be an isolated issue with your setup.

To my knowledge (although I'm certainly not an expert) we do return proper reject messages. You can take a look at the actual stale share reject code here. A dump of actual server communications when experiencing this issue, along with what port your connected to would go a long way towards tracking down any issues you're having.
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FYI: if you use ppagent and set
Code:
collectors": {
   "status": {
      "details": false
   }
}

it breaks the User Stats page (internal server error).

Thanks for the report. It's definitely true that ppagent could use some TLC, so hopefully we can do a sprint in a week or two when all this merged mining commotion is under control.
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I am getting a lot of rejects that appear to be invalidly classified as such - I suspect this is a bug related to merge-mining.

Basically the server is requesting work restarts A LOT, and these do not coincide with VTC block changes.  None of these work restarts occurred on a block change, and so the shares following them should NOT have been rejected.  If these shares were high enough to be a block, they would not have been an orphan, so rejecting them is flatly incorrect.  If a share is not a potential orphan block on the master chain (VTC), then it should always be a valid share (presuming it was computed correctly of course).

Code:
[11:11:37] Stratum from MRRentals Nsc requested work restart
[11:11:37] MRRentals Nsc stale share detected, submitting as user requested
[11:11:38] Rejected untracked stratum share from MRRentals Nsc
[11:11:38] MRRentals Nsc stale share detected, submitting as user requested
[11:11:38] Rejected untracked stratum share from MRRentals Nsc
<...>
[11:11:47] Stratum from miningrigrentals Nsc requested work restart
[11:11:47] miningrigrentals Nsc stale share detected, submitting as user requested
[11:11:47] Rejected untracked stratum share from miningrigrentals Nsc
<...>
[11:12:15] Stratum from miningrigrentals Nsc requested work restart

Please make fixing your stratum reject scheme a higher priority, and provide proper reject messages.
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Activity: 700
Merit: 500
FYI: if you use ppagent and set
Code:
collectors": {
   "status": {
      "details": false
   }
}

it breaks the User Stats page (internal server error).
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Yea, totally possible. Its not a big priority for us atm, we're working on adding merged mining w/ PLX - I'll add an issue for it though

Keeping an eagle eye on the thread, can't wait to get into PLX.

You guys sure earn your donations. How do the 0%ers sleep at night  Angry
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Yea, totally possible. Its not a big priority for us atm, we're working on adding merged mining w/ PLX - I'll add an issue for it though
Awesome.  With merged-mined PLX and a fix for prevhash-stale rejects, this will be a seriously kick ass pool.
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Yea, totally possible. Its not a big priority for us atm, we're working on adding merged mining w/ PLX - I'll add an issue for it though
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Is it possible to return a reject reason (e.g. Stale - previous job) for stale work, instead of bouncing them as untracked?  It is rather annoying not getting per-device reject rates.  Yes, this means you have to track old jobs for a period instead of clearing everytime a work flush occurs, but it makes the stratum communication a lot cleaner.
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