Topic: Since Richbased locked his thread.... (Read 1314 times)

If a single puppeteer is pulling the strings on all four accounts, then he is the sole recipient of associated income. They are all enrolled on signature campaigns and are all enjoying the benefits of earning while posting.

By looking at the statistics for the four accounts mentioned in the thread as connected, even with some neutral tags given it seems to have made no difference to them at all.

Richbased is still posting regularly
Dailyscript is still posting regularly
Cryptoprincess101 is still posting regularly
Agbamoni is still posting regularly

 

I have noticed this thread three days ago, but prejudice against @Richbased and @Agbamoni, there is no sign of strong evidence for either of them as Alt or proof, but I looked at the transaction proof that I saw and I believe the Alt of @Richbased is: @Cryptoprincess101, This can be proven from the transaction address they use.

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First of all there I can see @Cryptoprincess101, once sent btc to @Richbased, I'm sure the two are related, possibly Alt or......!

Proof:

https://explorer.btc.com/btc/address/bc1qlr5jwwl44pdvtzp93vet2tm25z0gz0lsz32gu0


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If seen from the other side (Merit) here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=3587264, will be seen again @Agbamoni, very enthusiastic in giving rewards to @Cryptoprincess101, my view is that both of them are involved in a merit battle to boost @Cryptoprincess101 to the next level, For this reason, from the existing evidence, I believe that all three are Alt, as @The Sceptical Chymist.

You might be on to something here, but if the accused accounts (3) haven't stated anything in their defence, our assumptions won't help much, and my prior remark was not a judgement call on this situation; I was only presenting basic guidelines about what's what. Personally, I would not tag or link any accounts together based just on keywords without other evidence (wallets tx, social media handles), but that is just me. I'm outta here....

Not trying to defend anybody here and if anyone have also noticed I always try to stay away from controversial especially those relating to my country men as obviously my judgement might be mistaken for having a soft spot for them but there are coincidence when I unintentionally use spelling that I would have seen from reading another users posts frequently so maybe since they're always writing in the same thread and they have come across each other posts more often then this might just be a coincidence. If there's no strong evidence of foul play lets not ruin people accounts just because of our gut feelings.

The evidence should be concrete and not objective before decision are taking to tag any account. @The Sceptical Chymist Kudos to you and what you have being doing in reviewing accounts on the forum (that Nigerian has been a major beneficiary of judging from their merit history) but if your generosity is being leverage on then maybe you should change the way you do the reviews, instead of individual reviews maybe you can visit the local board directly and review the posts there on Bitcoin discussion and other areas that'll be of interest to you. Hugeblack is doing that and it's helping the genuine members on the board.

Don't take my message the wrong way as I know you're entitled to how you spend your merits but I'm just giving an alternative means instead of blacklisting the community as I know matters like this might affect your judgement on the Nigerians.

I have benefited from such generosity and it really helped in trying harder to improve
Since it felt like there's someone out there that would see your efforts.
About knowing?  Personally learnt about it after seeing an account I merited having merit from different post from Sceptical chymist
At first thought after checking his merit history and seeing others who have benefited
I felt it was a coincidence and thought  that if you lucky and he stumble upon a good post of yours
He would check your other post and merit you.
Was hopeful but never came
Until I heard about posting review from an account last year about Sceptical chymist and felt like giving it a try
Which I did but after it passed a week I thought my post never met his standard.
Until I received it this year and was shocked it came through especially when I was experiencing some merit drought.

I believe there definitely would be people taking advantage of it especially towards individual they consider generous
But like fillophone merit share thread
It has encourage alot of individuals.
Seeing the actions of our fellow Nigerians I'm feeling ashamed
Heard we were promoted to the second most corrupted country and there are individuals here that are showing the reason why.
You will know about this word
Good name is better than Riches
This situation is a proof of such word.

No, those are not Pidgin words -I have nothing to say in his defence; he made his own bed.

Having alts is OK, but using them to apply for a non-collateral loan is abuse/cheating, and the neutral tag is valid. 

In this case, I suppose hambler and JayJunaGee are not a form of Pidgin 

I can see more accounts linked, but I specifically tagged the three because apart from the misspellings that are only exclusive to the accounts, the posting style is the same, they post in specific mega threads hoping to collect merits, cycle merits amongst the alts and try to join specific signature campaigns.

I will only add more to the list once I come across sufficient evidence.

I am not stating any local board specifically but without a shadow of doubt I have two in mind that I think have a significant amount of account farms. They have provided a lot drama in the forum over the past couple of years and people can come to own conclusions. Having said that, you are far too generous with your time and merits therefore you are a target for those with account farms trying to rank up.

They most probably have concluded you are too generous therefore are trying to get as many merits out of you as possible.

Naija pidgin was first used as a common language by Nigerians to trade with the Portuguese in the 17th century. Nigeria is a multilingual, multicultural, and multi-ethnic country with over 520 different languages and 300 ethnic groups. The NPE (Nigerian Pidgin English) is the common language that unites us all because not everyone can speak the borrowed language (UK English). 

Other black nations also adopted a common languages for trade e.g Jamaica (Patios), Cameron (Camfranglais - a mixture of French & English) and so on.....

This is not the first time someone has used pidgin or incorrectly written terms as keywords to link accounts on our local board and ended up hitting the rock. It's not advisable IMO.

Interesting, and thanks for that clarification.  Pidgin English has always kind of fascinated me, though I probably ought to learn more about its origins.

In any case, I've only seen a small handful of cases where alt accounts were linked because of very specific misspellings or other similar language issues, and while it's certainly good supporting evidence I don't think it's sufficient as proof that two or more accounts are controlled by the same member.  Just my opinion, though.

It's a pidgin word -  wetting, wetin, weytin....are different ways different tribes in Nigeria spell that word. It replaces " what is" in a pidgin sentence. These set of users may be from the southern and Eastern region cause they spell pidgin words in full.

Tip: Don't use pidgin keywords on the NG local board unless you want to link the entire board together.  

I would like to add a few coincidences that seem suspicious in my opinion, although I can’t call them with confidence. The word "Weting" is only used in the Nigerian section and by a few participants. Maybe it's the local pronunciation or something else, but if you walk around and observe, not many people use this word.
And they are most used by these three that you found. And also only these;

https://ninjastic.space/search?content=Weting

Y3shot
Obim34
Pi-network314159
Hyphen(-)
Samlucky O
Anguwa

Ah, shit.  I know I just sent out a bunch of merits for posts made in that thread, and I haven't checked but I do think they were made from one or more Nigerian members.  Granted, they weren't bad posts at all (else I wouldn't have merited them), but I really, really don't want to get taken advantage of more so than I probably am when doing post history reviews. 

Of course not, but word spreads through small-ish communities and so when members of it talk you can start seeing certain behaviors originating from one of those communities and nobody else.  On a related note, I've noticed that whenever I do a few reviews, it's almost a guarantee that I get a PM from 2-3 new members asking for reviews, some of which I've helped out before, some not.  I wonder if people are watching my merit-giving activity or if it's something else that's more nefarious.

There are other similarities, more specifically some aspects of their posting style that I won't reveal here, besides misspellings, which makes to believe that it's not a coincidence and that both accounts are most likely controlled by the same person. Anyway, good find!

Since introduction of merit system it has never been easier to rank up alt accounts, which is a combination of an increased amount of merit and a decreased amount of posts. What you found is probably just a tip of the iceber. given the drastic increase in the number of active members in certain local boards.

So I did some brief checking today and what I noticed is that the alts are from the Nigerian community board. Someone is farming accounts through merit cycling and posting in specific thread and boards. The pattern is easy to follow.

This is one of their favourite Threads - Buy the DIP, and HODL!. If you look closely, you will see similar alts replying to themselves on top of merit abuse and trying to farm merits from merit sources.

This is their favourite signature campaign - {Resume} Eloncoin Signature Campaign | Member+ [Funds Escrow]

I will just post a connection of this two for now (Agbamoni and Dailyscript). Agbamoni is also connected to Richbased and other alts, no doubt.

1. hambler

These are the only members to have ever posted Hambler here... could it be a coincidence?

2. JayJunaGee instead of JayJuanGee


Again, these are the only accounts to post ever Jayjunagee here

Dailyscript came with quite a bang, demanding for merit sources in his local board (so he can farm more of his alts) on the very first day he registered. Some members immediately suspected that he's an Alt of someone. Well, the clear picture is now coming out.

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If I was from that board. I would instead try to make it clean rather than playing the race card. Of course, not all people from a certain nationality are bad. Given the angry tone of the newbie. I think one of his alts might have as well been implicated in the scandal.

Sometimes users do copy someone else's post in signature campaign applications, a few of them change its details to their own by copying and pasting their details, on the other hand some people copy it and edit some part of it and left some of it unedited.

But, since it was a loan application I don't think something like that would happen with anyone. I think those users might be alt-accounts operating from same system, the reason for that is when someone copies one address for receiving of funds then he forgets that he has multiple accounts running on the same system and mistakenly copy the alt-accounts wallet address details instead of copying the one he intended to copy.

I guess as humans we can't be perfect in showing off because sometimes things get screwed up due to our own human error thing, and that's what I think happened with the guy who copied the details from that other account. No body would have thought that if they had connection with each other or are alt-accounts but that error open the doors of suspicion and that's why others found that those two accounts had merited each other before so they might be operated by the same person.

What I personally noticed after reading most posts of this thread and of that thread is that the guy screwed himself up and nothing else, and it seems more like an alt-account thing to me. I don't know if I'm right or not but most probably it's the same person controlling the both accounts. But, it can also be the case that the accounts might be controlled by two people living in a single place and sharing the same system that they use for posting but probability of that to happen is very low.

This is probably a pure example of how people screw up themself while trying to prove their innocence. Having an alternative account is allowed. So, if you have an alt account and both are in the campaign, there are no issues. But, if you abuse the forum system like talking to yourself and transferring merits, that is something frowned upon. But what is the punishment here? Probably nothing.

A few weeks or months ago lovesmayfamilis exposed one of our neighbor's alternative accounts who were talking to himself and he was exchanging merits regularly. Which you can see here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63097388 but he is okay with that and still in campaigns.

It's obvious he's an alt of somebody's main account, but I'm not sure whose it is.  It could be one of the members in question or it could be a friend from Nigeria--it's a tight community, so you never know.  I considered just nuking that post as it reads like straight-up trolling, but I decided not to.  It might be useful to have that or any other comments from Boy_chef as evidence (of something) in the future.

Not a problem--yeah, it's waaay off-topic, but I'm curious about people's comments on AI (but I don't want this thread to turn into a huge discussion of it, either). 

Oh, man.  I can't even begin to imagine how high school, college, and even graduate students are going to use it, either to cheat or as a substitute for thinking.  The younger kids start using it as a crutch, the worse off they're going to be.  To say I fear for the future of society, academia, and everything else that's currently doing OK but could be crippled by AI would be an enormous understatement.  Time will tell, and I'm not optimistic.

Be careful! Fuckhead ^(*) might as well accuse you of racism for talking bad about members of his local community.


(*) @Boy_chef, I assume that's okay? By the way, which one do you prefer, fuckhead or dickhead?

It amazes me every day how some people are not even able to read a post, and the entire link slips past their eyes just because they are not familiar with the basic functions that exist on the forum. It seems that a lot of members don't know what a Hyperlink is and that the links set up like that don't even exist for them.

Regarding the use of AI for educational purposes, I don't really have a positive opinion about it, because it has become abused to an unprecedented extent - children no longer think for themselves, but only ask questions to AI. Although for some AI in the form it appeared a few years ago is a real blessing, to me it is completely unacceptable and extremely harmful for human society, especially in the long term.

You were somewhat inattentive. Lucius showed this post and the author.

Please Lucius can you help me with the post link, I just want to know the member who said that and why he/she said that because the fact is that, in doing research and projects in the university, you can't state that your source was with the Use of AI and depending on the level of project or research, Ai detectors may be and if a student is caught using such they definitely don't go on punished.

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The Sceptical Chymist, please I know this seems off topic but please I have to clarify something here please Thanks God bless you...

Boy_chef only commented twice on the reputation board and he only commented on the Agbamoni and Richbased cases. Very suspicious because there are a lot of interesting discussions (reputation board) but he is only interested in this case. It seems like I take back my statement above and start to feel suspicious that these three accounts are alt or connected

If I look at the loan history, the difference in loan time between Agbamoni and Richbased is 4 pages (Richbased loan date 02/02/2024 & Agbamoni loan date 02/14/2024). It is illogical if someone copies another member's application which is 4 pages different. If this is a copy paste error then it would be more logical if Agbamoni copied the Goinmerry application that is above it.

You have one chance to guess what country is Boy_chef coming from... aaaand you are right, he is also from Nigeria
How convenient from him do unexpectedly drop in just in this topic after long period of inactivity.
This is obviously just another one of his alt accounts  

I definitely advised you to lock that thread but it was purely because you stated you did not care about what members thought about the situation.

What I find confusing is that if you were not interested in what members thought (about the Richbased and Agbamoni account being operated by the same puppeteer) to the degree you locked the thread because you concluded you had either vindicated yourself or were trying to, then why lock the thread if you will continue engaging ion conversation/debate in other threads? You are after all posting here countering the theory that both Richbased and Agbamoni accounts are operated by the same person therefore it defeated the object.

In my last post in that thread, I did ask whether the Agbamoni account would respond to allegations that there is at least one more account connected. He has not posted here to defend himself. Let us not forget all this started simply because the Agbamoni account used an address belonging to the Richbased account when asking for a loan.

If it is not a case of alt-accounts making a copy/paste oversight, you would have to conclude it is very strange, right?

You are probably missing the fact that both accounts are involved in taking no-collateral loans on the forum, so their potential connection matters in terms of reputation and trust.  I mean, if they were just your average Joes, no one would bat an eye about them being alt accounts. But since they're knee-deep in potentially dodgy stuff, well, that's a different story, wouldn't you say?

FYI, Richbased opened the  (now locked) thread and started all of this.

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@Agbamoni since Richbased locked his thread before you could answer it, can you please explain how exactly you managed to copy his loan application, considering the fact it was in the post that was several pages before?

Everyone can make a mistake (be deceived) and give merit to someone who doesn't deserve it, but someone who is a merit source and also offers a service like you is definitely the target of all those abusers who will do everything to rank their alt accounts as soon as possible.


It would not be fair to put all members from a single country on the blacklist just because a part of them decide to do such things, but even if you wanted to, you would have to check every user in a way to check in which local board they write. Perhaps it would be best if the whole thing were not private but public, as is the case with the @fillippone thread.

By the way, what I was mentioning -> Plagiarism vs AI Posting

From my view of everything, I just think most of you guys are simply saddist that don't have anything to do rather than bring up issues that has no concern what so ever with the rules of the community, please let it rest as if most of you so called decorated members don't have alts 🙄 secretly that no one knows till you yourself fish out the person.

Stop being stupid fucks and serve justice according to forum rules with hard evidence at that too. From where I stand I think most of you miss all the drama that use to happen here because I have read couples of drama you all gladly involved yourself making you feel like police men whereas what you all are big dickheads with hunger and thirst to thrive on making things hard for innocent users who fall victim to your idiotic shenanigans.

Already the highest you can do is to tag the both accounts for being alts 🙄 and I see you have already done that without even evaluating the evidence and fact around the issue so I see no reasons for all these drama or am I missing something here did both accounts do anything wrong against the rules of the community or you should all tell me if you dickheads don't merit each other's post often now you are here calling it merit abuse 🙄 well if you want to check out merit abuse case I think try visiting the local boards of Bangladesh, Pakistan, Portugal and so many more there you will get your drama's, I mean people literally say "HI" and get merit always and that's not a problem and it only becomes a problem when folks from an ever bubbling and hard working board do it ? I could call you fuckheads racist but I think that would be a little far off.

So you just locked the thread because JollyGood suggested it?  I don't know how many times I've requested members lock threads that have long outlived their purpose, only to have them remain open for shitposters to squat in.  The issue you brought up wasn't even resolved, so I'm not sure why you thought it was a good idea to lock it while there was still a lot of input being given.

That's a bunch of blather followed by one of two reasons you might have started that thread.  I have a feeling you were trying to give the strong impression that you and Agbamoni aren't alts by calling attention to it before anyone else did.  Do I know that for sure?  No.  But I've seen enough bullshit on this forum and looked at the evidence presented by other members in your thread, and that's the way I'm leaning on this matter.

Yeah, I saw that and was hoping for a response.  Perhaps in this thread we'll get one?

Yep.  I definitely try to weed out alt accounts, and I've refused merits to a lot of members lately (which nobody sees).  I've also stopped giving merits for posts in the gambling section, so I'm definitely aware that people are trying to game me and do my best to swat them like flies--but I've no doubt there are some who still get over on me.  Thanks for the feedback, Lucius.

OK, that's fucking frightening.  How can I even deal with members who do that and request post reviews?  Most of the time I don't even know what country people are from when they send me PMs.  Ugh.

The team from Nigeria (with some exceptions) is increasingly in the Reputation board because of theirs "specific behavior", and that is a very mild expression. Whether it's mass creation of alt accounts, merits abuse, using AI to "beautify posts". But as one of their members says, they use AI tools even at the academic level, so this should not be disputed on the forum

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@The Sceptical Chymist, I think you should be much more careful with who you give merits to, because I think many abuse your "service".

Scared of what exactly? It was JollyGood that told me that since I don't care about what anyone thinks while trying to vindicate myself on the issue that I should lock the thread or didn't you read the last post of the thread? Okay if you wish that I should reopen the thread it's fine I would do that rather than telling me if am scared of getting unwanted attention like how do you mean? if you guys want me to reopen the thread i would do that then you will tell me if you haven't merited a profile that merited your posts as well in your merit history


A clear conscience fears no accusations as all my intentions was to make it clear that the both accounts ain't interrelated in any way because people judge things differently of which they're already doing it so it is better that I raised alarm earlier than maybe others finds out by themselves and conclude that it's a joint account of which they are doing that already but just like I said earlier in the thread I created that I created the thread in other to vindicate myself so it is nothing more

These two accounts come from the same country (Nigeria), perhaps members from Nigeria can do further research regarding the discussion patterns or posting patterns of these two accounts.


Yeah, It's possible that these two accounts are not connected. If the two are connected, maybe you don't dare to create a thread on reputation because it will make other members look at your account more deeply, but you dare to do it

I was even going to do the same thing of opening a new thread regarding the Richbased - Agbamoni case. Thanks for doing so.

There are patterns of merit abuse going on between the accounts, and they are probably not just two.

I asked Agbamoni to tell us about the Dailyscript account, but then Richbased rushes to lock the thread even when his alleged "impersonation" issue has not been resolved. Is he scared that he is now getting unwanted attention and more merit abusing alts are getting discovered?

I had the thread about someone "impersonating" his wallet address open while I was doing other things and by the time I got back to it, it was locked.  However, I read through it and found that I'd also gotten a PM from agbamoni basically pleading his case and blah blah blah.  I wondered why he dropped me a note about this, and then I realized I'd recently done a post history review for him and that the reason why he wants his reputation intact is so that I'll keep doing reviews for him.  There's no other logical reason I can think of.

The reason I started this thread is that I wanted to get some more thoughts about these two members, whether they're really alt accounts and if there's merit abuse going on.  It doesn't make sense to me that Richbased would start a thread to complain about his alt account using an address of his except if it's a smokescreen devised to make it look like they're not connected.

Richbased hasn't asked for any reviews from me, but he's been an indirect recipient since agbamoni has sent him some merits.  That being the case, I've blocked PMs from both of them and won't reverse that unless I'm convinced these are two separate people (and from reading the original thread, it sure as hell doesn't seem that that's the case).  Share your thoughts, please.
 

Note: this is a self-moderated thread, as I saw some very low-value posts in the other thread.  I'll grant a lot of leeway and will only delete posts if they're zero-value and/or obviously fucking retarded.