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Topic: [SKY] Skycoin Launch Announcement - page 109. (Read 381579 times)

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February 24, 2015, 04:32:22 PM
Is it alright or not? Can I use it for the IPO?

yes

Quote
Where do I get my personal key from?

C:\Users\"YOUR USER"\.skycoin\wallets

inside wallets folder you'll find all the wallets you have created through the browser (.wlt files)

you can open these files with notepad; they include the seed, address & pub/priv keys
only one address per seed generated in browser at this stage

note:  these .wlt files are not encrypted; make encrypted backups




Really? All this talking about security stuff: "Nothing is save, etc."
And now we create wallets with secret keys in plain text, unencrypted without a password?Huh??
Even if I delete them now or store them in TrueCrypt or USB-Stick, it could be already stolen.



Super tinfoil mode:

Generate a wallet using electrum seed words on a computer that's not connected to the internet, surrounded by signal absorbing material on an open-source operating system with open-source hardware. Write the words down, don't print them on a printer. Then, destroy the computer without removing it from the room w/ signal absorbing material, after writing down the receiving address first.

Then, do what you'd like with those words. Things can get pretty creative from there.

Also, not so good idea to use truecrypt anymore: WARNING: Using TrueCrypt is not secure as it may contain unfixed security issues

Not sure if skycoin is using any kind of mnemonic wallet generation. I'd be surprised if they aren't.
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Never back down !!!
February 24, 2015, 04:23:25 PM
Is it alright or not? Can I use it for the IPO?

yes

Quote
Where do I get my personal key from?

C:\Users\"YOUR USER"\.skycoin\wallets

inside wallets folder you'll find all the wallets you have created through the browser (.wlt files)

you can open these files with notepad; they include the seed, address & pub/priv keys
only one address per seed generated in browser at this stage

note:  these .wlt files are not encrypted; make encrypted backups




Really? All this talking about security stuff: "Nothing is save, etc."
And now we create wallets with secret keys in plain text, unencrypted without a password?Huh??
Even if I delete them now or store them in TrueCrypt or USB-Stick, it could be already stolen.

hero member
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February 24, 2015, 03:35:48 PM
I think this is too much of me spamming Skycoin's thread. They have been enormously patient with my too numerous posts in their thread. Unless the developers engage me in further discussion, I kindly ask that any further discussion directed at me be move to another thread. Simply provide a link here or in PM please. Feel free to create a discussion thread.

I would like to continue to discuss your ideas. We can start another thread to pursue it.

Please post the link of the new thread here if gets started or send it in PM
so that I can follow.

Thanks.  Cool
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February 24, 2015, 03:04:16 PM
I think this is too much of me spamming Skycoin's thread. They have been enormously patient with my too numerous posts in their thread. Unless the developers engage me in further discussion, I kindly ask that any further discussion directed at me be move to another thread. Simply provide a link here or in PM please. Feel free to create a discussion thread.

I would like to continue to discuss your ideas. We can start another thread to pursue it.
newbie
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February 24, 2015, 02:35:01 PM
Is it alright or not? Can I use it for the IPO?

yes

Quote
Where do I get my personal key from?

C:\Users\"YOUR USER"\.skycoin\wallets

inside wallets folder you'll find all the wallets you have created through the browser (.wlt files)

you can open these files with notepad; they include the seed, address & pub/priv keys
only one address per seed generated in browser at this stage

note:  these .wlt files are not encrypted; make encrypted backups

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February 24, 2015, 12:51:26 PM

windows executable: http://128.199.188.22:1337/

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double click the "skycoin.exe" file and then visit http://127.0.0.1:6420

I installed the windows executable.
I opened the Ip-address and I see an address.

Is it alright or not? Can I use it for the IPO?

Where do I get my personal key from?
newbie
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February 24, 2015, 12:01:20 PM
when you say "brew install mercurial bzr"
you mean i should install brew first, right?
so i installed HOMEBREW (http://brew.sh)

no

i mean use the exact command


now if i put: ./gui.sh build

when you're at this point, don't do ./gui.sh build

either generate addresses or run wallet

follow the exact steps from previous post, don't skip any commands

i have informed the dev to comment just in case i'm missing something
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February 24, 2015, 11:49:04 AM

if you've done everything mentioned previously, the client should be installed

did you try running the wallet, generating addresses, etc. immediately after the last step?


fresh install

Linux:
sudo apt-get install curl git mercurial make binutils gcc bzr bison libgmp3-dev -y

OS X:
brew install mercurial bzr

git clone https://github.com/skycoin/skycoin.git
cd skycoin
./setup.sh

source "$HOME/.gvm/scripts/gvm" && gvm use go1.4
compile/get-dependencies.sh
compile/install-to-gopath.sh

Generating Addresses, public keys, private keys:  
go run ./cmd/address_gen/address_gen.go --help

Running Skycoin Full Node:  
go run ./cmd/skycoin/skycoin.go -web-interface=true
then go to: 127.0.0.1:6420 (or 6402)


when you say "brew install mercurial bzr"
you mean i should install brew first, right?
so i installed HOMEBREW (http://brew.sh)
then i cloned the skycoin git
then i run the setup.sh

(meanwhile tells me:
Installing gvm and go1.4
ERROR: Already installed!
Already installed!
Installing skycoin to $GOPATH
skycoin already exists in GOPATH
/Users/xxxx/.gvm/pkgsets/go1.4/global/src/github.com/skycoin/skycoin -> /Users/xxxx/skycoin
Installing or updating skycoin dependencies
github.com/nictuku/dht (download)
github.com/golang/glog (download)
github.com/golang/groupcache (download)
github.com/jackpal/bencode-go (download)
github.com/nictuku/nettools (download)
github.com/youtube/vitess (download)
github.com/lonnc/golang-nw (download)
github.com/op/go-logging (download)
github.com/skycoin/gnet (download)
github.com/skycoin/encoder (download)
github.com/skycoin/pex (download)
github.com/stretchr/testify (download)
github.com/skycoin/encoder
github.com/skycoin/pex
github.com/skycoin/gnet
Done
)

then i run that line: source "$HOME/.gvm/scripts/gvm" && gvm use go1.4
(tells me:
Now using version go1.4)

then this one: compile/install-to-gopath.sh
(tells me:
skycoin already exists in GOPATH
/Users/xxxx/.gvm/pkgsets/go1.4/global/src/github.com/skycoin/skycoin -> /Users/xxxx/skycoin
)

now if i put: ./gui.sh build
(tells me the same like before:
Compiling with go
# github.com/skycoin/skycoin/src/cipher/secp256k1-go
exec: "o32-clang": executable file not found in $PATH
go compilation failed
)

that one: go run ./cmd/address_gen/address_gen.go --help
(tells me:
# github.com/skycoin/skycoin/src/cipher/secp256k1-go
In file included from ../.gvm/pkgsets/go1.4/global/src/github.com/skycoin/skycoin/src/cipher/secp256k1-go/secp256.go:10:
In file included from ././secp256k1/src/secp256k1.c:6:
In file included from ././secp256k1/src/num_impl.h:12:
In file included from ././secp256k1/src/num.h:13:
././secp256k1/src/num_gmp.h:8:10: fatal error: 'gmp.h' file not found
#include
         ^
1 error generated.
)

sorry to bother you, if i m doing something wrong




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February 24, 2015, 11:34:46 AM

And yes we are headed into a shit storm and need to get focused on the priorities that make the most significant impact against what we are facing within a year. Consensus algorithms are not the highest priority near-term need. The major need is anonymity of the communication network. We don't have that on the internet and we REALLY NEED IT BADLY.


Is this what are you talking about?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/kim-dotcoms-uncensored-internet-vs-supernet-960490

I mean this:

http://bitcoindark.pw/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/crossing_the_last_mile_-_telepathy_2014-11-04.pdf

newbie
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February 24, 2015, 08:01:03 AM
Has skycoin launched?
How to get a million skycoins or even 100k skycoins?
Where do i buy

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10555070
newbie
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February 24, 2015, 07:47:18 AM
now ... when i want to build the client .. it says:

Compiling with go
# github.com/skycoin/skycoin/src/cipher/secp256k1-go
exec: "o32-clang": executable file not found in $PATH
go compilation failed

not sure

if you've done everything mentioned previously, the client should be installed already

did you try running the wallet, generating addresses, etc. immediately after the last step?


fresh install

Linux:
sudo apt-get install curl git mercurial make binutils gcc bzr bison libgmp3-dev -y

OS X:
brew install mercurial bzr

git clone https://github.com/skycoin/skycoin.git
cd skycoin
./setup.sh

source "$HOME/.gvm/scripts/gvm" && gvm use go1.4
compile/get-dependencies.sh
compile/install-to-gopath.sh

Generating Addresses, public keys, private keys:  
go run ./cmd/address_gen/address_gen.go --help

Running Skycoin Full Node:  
go run ./cmd/skycoin/skycoin.go -web-interface=true
then go to: 127.0.0.1:6420 (or 6402)
member
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February 24, 2015, 07:16:48 AM

not sure if commands are different on OS X, but this is what you need to do

source "$HOME/.gvm/scripts/gvm" && gvm use go1.4
compile/get-dependencies.sh
compile/install-to-gopath.sh

then, you should be able to run wallet, generate addresses, etc.

thank you!

now ... when i want to build the client .. it says:

Compiling with go
# github.com/skycoin/skycoin/src/cipher/secp256k1-go
exec: "o32-clang": executable file not found in $PATH
go compilation failed
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February 24, 2015, 02:51:39 AM
...
Afaics, they have not provided to me a BitMessage key to communicate privately.
...

It's in the OP.
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February 24, 2015, 02:30:14 AM
I think this is too much of me spamming Skycoin's thread. They have been enormously patient with my too numerous posts in their thread. Unless the developers engage me in further discussion, I kindly ask that any further discussion directed at me be move to another thread. Simply provide a link here or in PM please. Feel free to create a discussion thread.

In our case, I have proposed a platform for competing currencies. One of the key elements of my proposal is to have the ability to purchase a unit in any currency that tracks (via options betting) any unit-of-account (e.g. USD or Bitcoin) that you desire. Thus you no longer are tied to the speculative value of the competing currencies if you don't desire to be, and thus there is no longer a need for the market to choose a "winner take all" because everyone can vote for the currency they feel is best managed while sharing a common unit-of-account across multiple currencies. This is the paradigm in money that has never been tried in the history of mankind.

What would the "common unit-of-account" be? Would it be a common coin to the platform, like Ripple or Bitshares, issued in a private offering and subsequent ICO? Or would it be distributed with some sort of proof of work? It could be a basket of assets, like shares in a hedge fund.

None of those. I had already mentioned "option bets".

My idea is decentralized option bets, with two parties taking opposing positions on the move of the currency relative to the specified unit-of-account exchange rate. Leverage relative to exchange rate movement could vary for different bets. When the currency declines in value (an asymmetry in the opposing risks), then the difference has to be taken from the margin posted to make the 3rd party holder of the unit-of-account constant in value. There needs to be auto-settlement so that if the posted margin is depleted, the unit-of-account contract is settled instantly. Afaics, there could be built automated bots which settle and recontract the unit with a new free market bet with new margins posted.

The free market of bid and ask should determine the bets. So the asymmetry will be factored in by the free market of bid and ask.

In other words, I propose an option system where there is no centralized counter party risk. The protocol makes sure settlement occurs before margin is depleted.

We could create a common trading platform for all these competing currencies, i.e. decentralized exchanges with the appropriate logic and APIs. In essense, Skycoin and some of jl777's work for NXT are mentioning some of these similar ideas about decentralized exchanges and platforms for multiple currencies, but afaics they have missed slightly the key insights of what we really need. (Btw, I am still in communication with jl777, but I am not aligned with him and these ideas do not originate from discussion with him)

I am not an expert on options, so perhaps my idea is flawed?

Afair, the BitShares BitUSD functioned differently but I don't recall all the details. (I might go look up the details and edit this post later)

Edit#1: the flaw in my idea is that no one will buy these options because someone else can offer another set of options with the same features that do not have the asymmetric loses (given to the holder of the unit-of-account when the exchange rate declines). The holder would need to pay some cost for the others to take on this asymmetric risk. The holder would have to weigh this cost against the risk (cost) of holding the unit-of-account in its normal form, e.g. USD in a bank. Note we are moving towards negative interest rates so it will actually cost money to store your fiat in a bank or sovereign bonds.


Edit#2: silly me. All I am really advocating is that users can buy puts. The standard models for options apply. The carrying cost of the put will be relative to the volatility of the exchange rate. I think the Black–Scholes model applies.

https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/core-finance/derivative-securities/Black-Scholes/v/implied-volatility

Edit#3: Okay I see that what we originally told Daniel Larimer (bytemaster) in this forum in 2013 was finally accepted as reality and so they adjusted their design to use a price feed:

http://docs.bitshares.org/content/price_stability.html

So the buyer of the unit-of-account is essentially buying a put (the right to sell his currency for a constant price relative to the unit-of-account) and the other party (is not a short seller!) is buying a call, i.e. is paid a carrying cost for offering to buy that currency at the strike price. A decentralized exchange would match buyers of these puts and calls, where the bid and ask would be for the carrying costs. If the current exchange price is the implied strike price, bids and asks would need to be updated as often as the exchange price changes (but this is conceptually no different than when strike prices are constant and bid and asks change constantly as the market price changes). There would be different contracts for different expirations.

So all BitAssets are is an attempt at a decentralized options market. But it is only for their currency and not a platform for competing currencies. And they are using a single price feed voted on by consensus, whereas I proposed that there be different contracts for different price feeds so that each contract can use a different price feed server (more degrees-of-freedom).

Edit#4: there is another wrinkle that can be considered. It is possible to give some of the upside to the buyer of the unit-of-account, so they have no risk to the downside, but retain some of the upside appreciation if the currency they hold  appreciates. But this will increase the carrying cost, i.e. the price the buyer needs to pay for the unit-of-account insurance. Rather the buyer could also obtain the same effect by holding some portion in the unit-of-account (without upside) and some in the uninsured holding of the currency.

Edit#5: the market for buyers of such unit-of-account contracts are people who want to diversify their (e.g. USD) holdings into crypto-currency without the volatility risk, i.e. they want the advantages of anonymity, autonomy, instant transactions, without the volatility of crypto-currency. Or for example, you want to invest in Bitcoin, but you like the anonymity and instant transactions of an altcoin, so you can get both for a carrying cost, where the carrying cost is related to the volatility of that altcoin relative to the unit-of-account chosen. Thus altcoins can compete to gain marketshare and thus less volatility.

Bottom line is competing currencies as true decentralization and more degrees-of-freedom instead of "one size fits all, one winner forced on everyone".
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February 24, 2015, 02:08:29 AM
Hello skycoin,

I have no hope of purchasing any of these coins as I have no idea what to do as it all seems far to much of an involved and complicated process to purchase any.

I have been following Skycoin for quite some time and was very excited about it.
When you first mentioned the price @ .10 cents I found it hard to understand the justification of such a high price with 100 million coins to be released and being at the initial offerings. I thought you may have brought the price down.
I would still like to purchase some but I will purchase far less than I would have originally as it is such a high risk at this stage.

I wish you could somehow make this process of coin purchase far easier so people like myself have a chance to purchase a few.

Thanks.



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February 24, 2015, 01:39:45 AM
In our case, I have proposed a platform for competing currencies. One of the key elements of my proposal is to have the ability to purchase a unit in any currency that tracks (via options betting) any unit-of-account (e.g. USD or Bitcoin) that you desire. Thus you no longer are tied to the speculative value of the competing currencies if you don't desire to be, and thus there is no longer a need for the market to choose a "winner take all" because everyone can vote for the currency they feel is best managed while sharing a common unit-of-account across multiple currencies. This is the paradigm in money that has never been tried in the history of mankind.

What would the "common unit-of-account" be? Would it be a common coin to the platform, like Ripple or Bitshares, issued in a private offering and subsequent ICO? Or would it be distributed with some sort of proof of work? It could be a basket of assets, like shares in a hedge fund.

I do think that as Bitcoin becomes more 'mainstreamed' that the early adapters will transfer their value to another blockchain which reflects the original goals. There may be more than one alternate blockchain chosen.

The decentralized consensus problem reminds me of firefly synchronization in nature. Netlogo has a simulation written for it, http://ccl.northwestern.edu/netlogo/models/Fireflies .  When the simulation is run, regions develop which are synchronized prior to the entire group of fireflies synching. These remind me of forks in blockchains. The parameters and code can be changed in the simulation, such as sensing range of fireflies and phasing thresholds of time through flash cycle for when to reset flash to sync. For some settings of the parameters, global sync is never reached. Video of real fireflies synching is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Vy7NZTGos . Some latency across the group can be observed, with the upper left flashing slightly ahead of the lower right.
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February 24, 2015, 01:34:00 AM
i'm on osx 10.10

Downloading Go source...
Installing go1.4...
 * Compiling...
Installing skycoin to $GOPATH
GOPATH is not set
Installing or updating skycoin dependencies
xargs: go: No such file or directory
Done
Do './run.sh -h' to confirm it is installed. This runs the daemon.
README.md has further instructions for building and running the gui.

not sure if commands are different on OS X, but this is what you need to do

source "$HOME/.gvm/scripts/gvm" && gvm use go1.4
compile/get-dependencies.sh
compile/install-to-gopath.sh

then, you should be able to run wallet, generate addresses, etc.
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February 24, 2015, 12:02:59 AM
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February 23, 2015, 08:57:40 PM
I sent 3 messages to the address provided. 4 hours have passed since the 1st one, but I haven't received anything so far.
me too, and the IPO is finally handled manually after some many delays?
sr. member
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February 23, 2015, 08:20:02 PM
Where can i find my seed per favor?
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