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I ordered an ATM on 01/14/2015 and still have not received it. I sent two emails to support on two different weeks, and have not heard back. Did Project Skyhook go under? Do I need to file a dispute with my bank?

They are definitely still around, I'm still receiving support from them… Got an extra key made recently.
newbie
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I ordered an ATM on 01/14/2015 and still have not received it. I sent two emails to support on two different weeks, and have not heard back. Did Project Skyhook go under? Do I need to file a dispute with my bank?
sr. member
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Have these been road tested to see if they can detect counterfeit USD? Anyone buy one of these yet and get it running?

I've tried to figure this out too, since I'll be ordering one of these soon.  All I saw was the manufacturer faq...


Well this doesn't really answer your question, but it might be of user to others.

I received two Skyhook machines and I'm pretty impressed with the value. They've been slow to respond to emails and there could be a little more documentation provided, but I'm happy overall.

I'm in Canada, but we tested ours by trying out a range of bills ($5, $10, $20, $50, $100), both old and new styles. We also tried inserting US bills. The machine handled all $CAD bills fine and rejected the American bills as expected. We haven't tried photocopied bills yet.
newbie
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Have these been road tested to see if they can detect counterfeit USD? Anyone buy one of these yet and get it running?

I've tried to figure this out too, since I'll be ordering one of these soon.  All I saw was the manufacturer faq...
legendary
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HoneybadgerOfMoney.com Weed4bitcoin.com
Do you ship to Ireland? any idea how much shipping would cost?

I can ship it to Ireland for $125 so I would charge you $1125 in total.

Hello, I want more info about this atm but nobody answer my emails.

Never got an email nor pm, I'd be happy to answer any questions you have.


These are awesome, but probably illegal in the US without an expensive and hard to get license, right?

No I'm based in the US and reselling them - I as well as project-skyhook direct are requesting information from US operators to comply with KYC laws - Since the ATM is essentially one way, the ATM itself is not required to collect customer information, however the operator themselves may choose to use the ATMs for illicit activities where the government may contact us regarding information (drugs or prostitution for instance).

Is there a map of places where they are in effect?  I'd like to try and use one.

http://coinatmradar.com/  (your welcome)

Also, a new product support guide for windows OS is up and running here.
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Also if anyone is in the market still, and are having any trouble getting ahold of the reseller. 
I will sell you the one that I have.  It is ready to put in the box and ship.  It's never been put in to production.
We are delayed on opening right now, but I would love to see someone get this put to some sort of beneficial use.

I will sell for what I paid for it.  $999 plus shipping.   I will send internationally if paid with BTC.    Will accept paypal too  (with paypal, it would just be a little more leg work, I would sell it via Ebay, just to keep everything on the up and up, and with bitcoin I would use  www.cryptothrift.com and I would employ escrow if the buyer is willing to pay the fee. 


Again, this is what you would be buying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9FGBNzfquM
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If anyone wants to come in and take a look at what this is and test it before you buy it, we will have one for public usage at our new store.

This is our Project Skyhook ATM unboxing video.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9FGBNzfquM

Our store is located at;  4100 Yellowstone Ave., Pocatello Idaho 83202

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Guto Schiavon / FOXBIT
Hello, I want more info about this atm but nobody answer my emails.
legendary
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Do you ship to Ireland? any idea how much shipping would cost?
edd
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These are awesome, but probably illegal in the US without an expensive and hard to get license, right?

What sort of license do you think exists in the US that would apply to this?

A money transmitter license. Its in the due diligence pdf that skyhook has you fill out before buying this machine. Obviously every state is different. But I read that only 1 company in the whole united states has gotten a money transmitter license for bitcoin atms. Apparently they cost up in the millions of dollars to get and about a year. I'll look into my state laws and find out what my scenario would be. I suggest you guys do the same before impulse buying one of these bad boys. The price is nice (for a finished and working model) and I think it looks very clean. Just not sure what the law might think. 

But...but...the EYE ARE ASS said BTC isn't money, it is property.  Why would anyone need a money transmitter license for something that is not money?

Because authoritative agencies rarely coordinate with each other when issuing regulatory guidance.

In any case, as others have said, not every state in the US considers BTC ATMs "money transmission."
legendary
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These are awesome, but probably illegal in the US without an expensive and hard to get license, right?

What sort of license do you think exists in the US that would apply to this?

A money transmitter license. Its in the due diligence pdf that skyhook has you fill out before buying this machine. Obviously every state is different. But I read that only 1 company in the whole united states has gotten a money transmitter license for bitcoin atms. Apparently they cost up in the millions of dollars to get and about a year. I'll look into my state laws and find out what my scenario would be. I suggest you guys do the same before impulse buying one of these bad boys. The price is nice (for a finished and working model) and I think it looks very clean. Just not sure what the law might think. 

But...but...the EYE ARE ASS said BTC isn't money, it is property.  Why would anyone need a money transmitter license for something that is not money?
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Actually, there is licensing that one may want to be cautious and obtain, but Bitcoin hasn't been ruled as currency in this state yet, so getting a "Money Transmission license" is sort of pre-emptive..   In our state, that license is fairly easy to attain.  You qualify by applying, having at least $50,000 in assets, and meet some criminal history standards.   But over all it's much easier and cheaper to attain that I thought it might be.  The semi-expensive part is getting a bond.  But that seems to be around $250 per year.   So the overall investment if fairly minimal here, IF a Money Transmission License is necessary.   However non-bank (typically owned by a retail store) locations, that operate a fiat ATM do not need to be licensed in this way from what I have learned by asking around.   At least this is all that I know from my own personal research regarding this topic.   I am not a lawyer, and I can not offer you legal advice.  So please do your own research.

In some states more licensing is needed than in other states, and some states have no regulation for crypto-currency.   There are only a hand full of states that have even really addressed the bitcoin topic.

Beyond the information that I have found so far, it appears that we are relocating to a different state, so that we can be near family.   So we won't be pursuing this license any furtger in this state.

But thanks for pointing this topic out;



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-i-need-a-money-transmitter-license-for-a-bitcoin-atm-in-idaho-usa-663651

REF: http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/x/277850/Financial+Services/Bitcoin+Current+US+Regulatory+Developments

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Current State of Regulation

Money Service Business and Money Transmission Registration and Licensing

As of the time of this writing, FinCEN is the only US federal regulator to have released official guidance on the use of Bitcoin. In March 2013, FinCEN published interpretive guidance clarifying the application of the Bank Secrecy Act and the USA PATRIOT Act to Bitcoin and other convertible digital assets by stating that any administrator or exchanger of bitcoins (or other convertible digital asset) must be a registered MSB under FinCEN's money transmitter regulations. The release indicated that individual users of bitcoins that are not operating a business would not be considered MSBs and therefore would not be required to register, report or perform recordkeeping. Such clarification also requires administrators or exchangers of bitcoins to comply with applicable state law and register with certain state regulatory agencies.

Furthermore, various state regulators, including the California Department of Financial Institutions, the Idaho Department of Financial Services and the New York Department of Financial Services, have followed FinCEN's example and have issued interpretations or mandates requiring that Bitcoin exchanges and service providers register and/or seek licenses on a state level as money transmitters or MSBs.
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We have one at our store in Pocatello Idaho.  We are moving to Salt Lake City soon though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9FGBNzfquM



I just finished reading your thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-i-need-a-money-transmitter-license-for-a-bitcoin-atm-in-idaho-usa-663651

Guessing you didn't need a license in your state? No paperwork or nothing, you can just put it up? If so then that's awesome news. Any tips on what bureaucratic cog I should speak to in my state? 
sr. member
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These are awesome, but probably illegal in the US without an expensive and hard to get license, right?

What sort of license do you think exists in the US that would apply to this?

A money transmitter license. Its in the due diligence pdf that skyhook has you fill out before buying this machine. Obviously every state is different. But I read that only 1 company in the whole united states has gotten a money transmitter license for bitcoin atms. Apparently they cost up in the millions of dollars to get and about a year. I'll look into my state laws and find out what my scenario would be. I suggest you guys do the same before impulse buying one of these bad boys. The price is nice (for a finished and working model) and I think it looks very clean. Just not sure what the law might think. 
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We have one at our store in Pocatello Idaho.  We are moving to Salt Lake City soon though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9FGBNzfquM

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Hopefully with cheaper prices we see more and more popping up making it easier to exchange our btc.

Agree that a video would be huge - would need to see the operation of the machine in order to consider it.
legendary
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These are awesome, but probably illegal in the US without an expensive and hard to get license, right?

What sort of license do you think exists in the US that would apply to this?
sr. member
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These are awesome, but probably illegal in the US without an expensive and hard to get license, right?
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Hi, I don't think I'm understanding you correctly. How is the operator protected against volatility exactly?

Walk me through this if I was initially setting up the unit. Would I purchase Bitcoins from an exchange and then transfer them to my ATM operating wallet? What happens after that? If a user makes a purchase does the machine automatically top up the wallet? Thanks.

The operator is not protected against volatility. All they can do is set a minimum price so that it does not sell below what you paid for the bitcoin.

For example I bought $1000 and put it on my skyhook atm and then bitcoin has fallen over $100. My bitcoin is overpriced and I have sold nothing. I mistook the term "pull request" to mean that it could be hooked up to buy bitcoin in real time when someone uses the atm. Wrong!

That makes sense but you also have to look at the other side of the fence. If you bought at $600 and now sell at $500 you can take that USD can purchase more BTC for your ATM at a lower price. Tieing the ATM directly to an exchange would make this process happen in realtime, but it can be done manually as well.

I think that makes sense now. You have an operator and when a customer buys BTC your wallet is topped up at the current exchange price, which is the price they bought at. Do you know if the machine automatically tops up the operator wallet or does that need to be done manually? If it is manual then I could see it being riskier.

I assume its manually but I honestly know next to nothing about how this ATM works. Id like to see someone take one and do a good full review on it.

From further research it sounds like it's done manually (for now at least). Next thing I would like to know is if you can at least have the machine auto-email you when a customer makes a purchase so that you can immediately top up the wallet.
legendary
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Hi, I don't think I'm understanding you correctly. How is the operator protected against volatility exactly?

Walk me through this if I was initially setting up the unit. Would I purchase Bitcoins from an exchange and then transfer them to my ATM operating wallet? What happens after that? If a user makes a purchase does the machine automatically top up the wallet? Thanks.

The operator is not protected against volatility. All they can do is set a minimum price so that it does not sell below what you paid for the bitcoin.

For example I bought $1000 and put it on my skyhook atm and then bitcoin has fallen over $100. My bitcoin is overpriced and I have sold nothing. I mistook the term "pull request" to mean that it could be hooked up to buy bitcoin in real time when someone uses the atm. Wrong!

That makes sense but you also have to look at the other side of the fence. If you bought at $600 and now sell at $500 you can take that USD can purchase more BTC for your ATM at a lower price. Tieing the ATM directly to an exchange would make this process happen in realtime, but it can be done manually as well.

I think that makes sense now. You have an operator and when a customer buys BTC your wallet is topped up at the current exchange price, which is the price they bought at. Do you know if the machine automatically tops up the operator wallet or does that need to be done manually? If it is manual then I could see it being riskier.

I assume its manually but I honestly know next to nothing about how this ATM works. Id like to see someone take one and do a good full review on it.
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