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Topic: Slate: - Bitcoin is a ponzi scheme (Read 3828 times)

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April 13, 2013, 10:37:35 AM
#30
It's just a vanity venture, run by some snotty New York rich kids who would sooner put on a burka than serve in a US military uniform.   Roll Eyes
I'd rather wear a burka than a nationalistic clown costume as well. But yeah I think your assessment of Slate is probably spot on Wink
I hear they're quite cool in the summer. Oh, and it's Burqa. Wink
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April 13, 2013, 10:33:13 AM
#29
My opinion...

BTC is a...




scheme!
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
April 13, 2013, 10:10:03 AM
#27
I really don't like the fact that early adopters can own a huge % of the total currency that will ever be in existence. I wish the mining rate would taper off, but never go to 0. That way people that just hold their money get diluted eventually. There's no risk that Satoshi suddenly shows up one day with BTC worth $10 trillion

Early adopters currently own 100% of the bitcoins in existence, and over half of the total that will ever be in existence. We are all early adopters, if you think about how few people in the world have even ever heard of bitcoins. Anybody who wants can join us and be an early adopter too.
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April 12, 2013, 06:27:48 PM
#26
I wish the mining rate would taper off, but never go to 0.
Right now, BTC has eight decimal places. If that gets expanded within the next couple decades, mining will continue to generate coins for much longer than the "early-mid 22nd century" cutoff in the current algorithm. Granted, it'd still asymptotically approach 21 million coins. Just that instead of the block reward going to zero, it'll go to a small number that'd round to zero.

If you're asking for no asymptote - for endless growth - well, there's a lot of folks who would never have signed on if BTC wasn't provably scarce the way it is.
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April 12, 2013, 06:23:57 PM
#25
I really don't like the fact that early adopters can own a huge % of the total currency that will ever be in existence. I wish the mining rate would taper off, but never go to 0. That way people that just hold their money get diluted eventually. There's no risk that Satoshi suddenly shows up one day with BTC worth $10 trillion
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April 12, 2013, 05:50:38 PM
#24
Get over yourself.

Just the facts ma'am!  You may unclench and remove the knot from your panties now.   Cheesy
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April 12, 2013, 05:43:10 PM
#23

It's just a vanity venture, run by some snotty New York rich kids who would sooner put on a burka than serve in a US military uniform.   Roll Eyes


I'd rather wear a burka than a nationalistic clown costume as well. But yeah I think your assessment of Slate is probably spot on Wink
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April 12, 2013, 05:31:22 PM
#22
Remember this simple clue.

People who believe it is people who determine the quality of a product and not the product itself will focus on Satoshi and the fact that they cannot judge Bitcoin because they cannot judge Satoshi.

If Satoshi was out hobnobbing with celebrities and taking trips to Africa to help starving orphans between trips from London to DC dinner parties then Bitcoin would be the best thing known to man.

If Satoshi was some rich guy who likes his solitude in the Montana countryside with his large family, then Bitcoin would be a horrible thing.

Because Slate cannot judge the product based upon the man, they must default to it being a scam.
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April 12, 2013, 05:24:52 PM
#21
More like... Bitcoin: Ponzi is a Slate Scheme

...am I right, people?
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April 12, 2013, 05:21:38 PM
#20
But they don't matter; only we top 1% IQ types actually change the world and write history.  The rest are dead weight, kept around to clean our toilets, change our oil, and dig our ditches.
Get over yourself.
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April 12, 2013, 05:18:39 PM
#19
Is ponzi scheme the new "it" word?

Bitcoins is a currency and a market. You don't talk about hyperinflation as a "ponzi scheme" or a "pyramide game"

The bubble we are seeing now is speccualtion based on what people think it will be worth in the future combined with a form of musical chairs like in any other highly volatile market.

It is most likely unsubstainable, at least for the near future, but it's not a ponzi or a pyramide.



Given a choice between learning something new and parroting a spoon-fed secondhand opinion, most people will do the latter and strenuously object to the former.

That's because they are sheeple.  But they don't matter; only we top 1% IQ types actually change the world and write history.  The rest are dead weight, kept around to clean our toilets, change our oil, and dig our ditches.

The dim witted sheeple are familiar with old ideas such as bubbles, Ponzi, and pyramid schemes.

It's a nice shortcut for the intellectually lazy/limited to use these comfortingly well worn tropes for reckoning about Bitcoin, instead of investing the mental effort and enduring the cognitive dissonance required to understand challenging new concepts.

That way they get say something (albeit completely unoriginal) about the new hotness everyone is talking about, satisfying both their herd instinct and desire to bleat for attention.

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One bitcoin to rule them all!
April 12, 2013, 10:46:59 AM
#18
Is ponzi scheme the new "it" word?

Bitcoins is a currency and a market. You don't talk about hyperinflation as a "ponzi scheme" or a "pyramide game"

The bubble we are seeing now is speccualtion based on what people think it will be worth in the future combined with a form of musical chairs like in any other highly volatile market.

It is most likely unsubstainable, at least for the near future, but it's not a ponzi or a pyramide.

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April 12, 2013, 10:29:17 AM
#17
It's only a ponzi scheme if the ultimate end point of Bitcoin's value ends up being $0, as the people who get in last will be the losers who gave their money away to the people who got in early.

But if Bitcoin succeeds and never falls to $0, it will not have the qualifications of a ponzi scheme.
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April 12, 2013, 10:25:38 AM
#16
Bitcoin is no more a ponzi scheme or pyramid-scam any more than any equity stocks are on the NYSE or LSE. Mt gox and all btc exchanges as well as all stock markets are markets for second-hand goods and securities. the ipo market for btc is in mining.
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
April 12, 2013, 10:15:14 AM
#15
Btc is NOT a ponzi scheme and anyone who calls it one either doesn't understand what a ponzi scheme actually is or doesn't understand btc - likely both.  Btc MIGHT be a pyramid scheme - that is at least worth discussing, but not ponzi.

Please describe how BTC might be a pyramid scheme... I'm interested in this.

When the price of bitcoin is bubbling (as it was the past couple months), people buy bitcoins because they hope to sell it tomorrow for more money. This continues until there are no new people to buy the bitcoins at a higher rate, and the price collapses.

However, when the price is more stable (like for most of 2012), bitcoins are able to function more like a currency. People sell things for bitcoin and then use the bitcoins to buy other stuff.

So if you are not using bitcoins as a currency, then it resembles a pyramid scheme. Bitcoin is very flexible, it has many uses and each person can chose whether they want to view it as money or a commodity, currency or investment, store of wealth or payment processor.
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April 12, 2013, 09:30:57 AM
#14
Btc is NOT a ponzi scheme and anyone who calls it one either doesn't understand what a ponzi scheme actually is or doesn't understand btc - likely both.  Btc MIGHT be a pyramid scheme - that is at least worth discussing, but not ponzi.

Please describe how BTC might be a pyramid scheme... I'm interested in this.
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Poorer than I ought to be
April 12, 2013, 03:10:55 AM
#13
Btc is NOT a ponzi scheme and anyone who calls it one either doesn't understand what a ponzi scheme actually is or doesn't understand btc - likely both.  Btc MIGHT be a pyramid scheme - that is at least worth discussing, but not ponzi.

Key differences - pyramid schemes CAN be legal (multi-level marketing etc) while ponzi is not
participants are aware of, or can be aware of the situation in a pyramid, in a ponzi there is deception over what is really happening

Anyone who calls btc a ponzi should really just be ignored as a fool.
sr. member
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April 12, 2013, 12:44:55 AM
#12
The article is full of crap.


"put their trust in Satoshi Nakamoto, who could be anyone, or anyones"

Nobody is trusting Satoshi Nakamoto.  You trust the software.


"Once hoarding takes over, circulation ends, and with it the function of the currency."
"Unless a bitcoin has value as a currency, it has no value at all, and its price in dollars will fall to zero."

So, the guys argument is that the price will go to zero, because the price will be too high?   Yes, that makes sense.

As long as there are exchanges, you will be able to buy bitcoins, and use them for online transactions.   Hoarding does not change this fact. 











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April 12, 2013, 12:19:57 AM
#11
Very sad how greedy fools can cause such negative attention. We'll be fighting this for years to come. Congratulations.
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