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Slimcoin - the Proof of Donation inventors!
I've created a new channel on SLM's Discord and called it #ideas_brainstorming.
If you have any idea you need to brainstorm you are welcome! (not SLM only)

But are there any activities planned for slimcoin this year? That may affect its current price in frei? At least achieve the 10-20sats price level. This is already an old coin so I understand maybe the development is laid back. But time to regain the enthusiasm from its supporters? I guess.

Hi Twinkledoe,

thank you for asking!

I'd say we are doing a very intense brainstorming work on SLM's Discord these days. There are some ideas we looking into. Please come and judge by yourself what I'm speaking about and don't hesitate to participate if you feel like. The basic idea is to let everybody in, differently from many other more or less centralized coins around.

@d5k has recently reported the work on the PoD token is going on, so there is a good hope in that direction as well.

However I'm seeing a relatively big wall around 8 sats on freiexchange, so quite a significant enthusiasm would be needed to break though.

But of course you never know what the future brings.  Wink
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I've created a new channel on SLM's Discord and called it #ideas_brainstorming.
If you have any idea you need to brainstorm you are welcome! (not SLM only)

But are there any activities planned for slimcoin this year? That may affect its current price in frei? At least achieve the 10-20sats price level. This is already an old coin so I understand maybe the development is laid back. But time to regain the enthusiasm from its supporters? I guess.
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Hello all,

Thanks to @johnwhitestar I have found and resolved an issue with the slimcoin-qt flatpak which meant that it could not access the .slimcoin directory. The latest version is available here (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vSStIzz8fw_Fv6e3GUBX8Ja_1QBZ7xql).

My apologies to anyone who tried to use the previous version.

Regards
sr. member
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Slimcoin - the Proof of Donation inventors!
I've created a new channel on SLM's Discord and called it #ideas_brainstorming.
If you have any idea you need to brainstorm you are welcome! (not SLM only)
jr. member
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Hello all, here are some more detailed instructions for the flatpak (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1o1Xi1W5T8jXh7tB66GtQuoYVx-7Cjius) for systems on which I have tested them.

Arch Linux:
Code:
sudo pacman -S flatpak
flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub https://dl.flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo
reboot, then
Code:
sudo flatpak install slimcoin-qt.flatpak
Ubuntu 16.04:
Code:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:alexlarsson/flatpak
sudo apt update
sudo apt install flatpak
flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub https://dl.flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo
reboot, then (note the absence of sudo on this version)
Code:
flatpak install slimcoin-qt.flatpak
Ubuntu 18.04 and 19.10:
Code:
sudo apt install flatpak
flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub https://dl.flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo
reboot, then
Code:
sudo flatpak install slimcoin-qt.flatpak

If you have any issues, please let me know.
sr. member
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Slimcoin - the Proof of Donation inventors!
Happy New Year to all!!!

Happy New Year! Hope 2020 will be a great year for SLM!
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Happy New Year to all!!!
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I have made more progress on packaging for linux. There is now a standalone flatpak bundle availalble at this link(https://drive.google.com/open?id=1o1Xi1W5T8jXh7tB66GtQuoYVx-7Cjius). If you have flatpak installed on your system you should be able to install this with the command
Code:
sudo flatpak install slimcoin-qt.flatpak
It is strongly recommended to use this over the bundle I released on saturday as it contains the same binary but is self contained and also removes an issue I found with that bundle in that it does not include the libdb5.3 file. It also provides integration with the system to place slimcoin in the application menu in the window manager. If someone can test this and give me feedback it would be appreciated.

Just as a quick note to add to this, if you are on Ubuntu 16.04 you will need to remove the "sudo" from the beginning of the command to avoid ownership issues. This may apply to other versions  but I have not tested it.
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I have made more progress on packaging for linux. There is now a standalone flatpak bundle availalble at this link(https://drive.google.com/open?id=1o1Xi1W5T8jXh7tB66GtQuoYVx-7Cjius). If you have flatpak installed on your system you should be able to install this with the command
Code:
sudo flatpak install slimcoin-qt.flatpak
It is strongly recommended to use this over the bundle I released on saturday as it contains the same binary but is self contained and also removes an issue I found with that bundle in that it does not include the libdb5.3 file. It also provides integration with the system to place slimcoin in the application menu in the window manager. If someone can test this and give me feedback it would be appreciated.
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Hello all,

If anyone running linux wants a pre-compiled binary that should work on any linux version I have made a bundle and uploaded it here https://drive.google.com/open?id=1lGadgz-miSXi5EFbW7TuYndE6c1fBqSr. This must be run using the shell script in the base directory.
This was compiled from the master branch last night on ubuntu18.04 with libdb5.3 (WARNING: this version of libdb may cause some compatibility issues with prexisting databases.)
This should have support for UPNP, QR codes, and DBUS notifications. If any of these are missing or there are other issues, please let me know.
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Slimcoin - the Proof of Donation inventors!
Small typo: it's dcrypt, not dcypt. Only if you didn't see it. Otherwise, I think it's a good text. Smiley
Edited! Thank you very much  Smiley

Yes looks good. Thanks for taking the initiative to get this done.
SLM is a good place to stay. Thank you to everybody for the help provided  Smiley
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There is an interesting ongoing discussion with Graham on Discord.

So I'm editing our announcement with Graham's suggestions:

"Officially announced on May 17th, 2014 and fairly launched 4 days later Slimcoin is one of the few truly decentralized coins around. Whoever wants to join and contribute to its development in any way is welcome. Its Proof-of-Burn (or virtual mining) algorithm, that by the recent estimates provides up to 30% of yearly SLM returns, grants to everybody the possibility to mine coins without any specific hardware and with a minimal computing power employed. It also contributes to a balanced power structure without an almighty elite and to a clean environment for the future generations. The economic model that is behind the Proof-of-Burn mechanism is not within the get-rich-fast logic, but rewards the long-term involvement. So Slimcoin has a potential to shine should the traditional coin’s markets become saturated. Along with a unique mining mechanism, Slimcoin offers the ASICs resistant CPU mining algorithm dcypt and PoS. The community is active on Discord and Bitcointalk."

I'll try to put hyperlinks on first Proof-of-Burn mention and on the words "Discord" and "Bitcointalk" at the end of the text.
If there is any other suggestion please speak now or forever hold your peace Smiley as we are already a bit late with delivery and I'd say it's mandatory to send the announcement this weekend.

Yes looks good. Thanks for taking the initiative to get this done.
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Small typo: it's dcrypt, not dcypt. Only if you didn't see it. Otherwise, I think it's a good text. Smiley
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Slimcoin - the Proof of Donation inventors!
There is an interesting ongoing discussion with Graham on Discord.

So I'm editing our announcement with Graham's suggestions:

"Officially announced on May 17th, 2014 and fairly launched 4 days later Slimcoin is one of the few truly decentralized coins around. Whoever wants to join and contribute to its development in any way is welcome. Its Proof-of-Burn (or virtual mining) algorithm, that by the recent estimates provides up to 30% of yearly SLM returns, grants to everybody the possibility to mine coins without any specific hardware and with a minimal computing power employed. It also contributes to a balanced power structure without an almighty elite and to a clean environment for the future generations. The economic model that is behind the Proof-of-Burn mechanism is not within the get-rich-fast logic, but rewards the long-term involvement. So Slimcoin has a potential to shine should the traditional coin’s markets become saturated. Along with a unique mining mechanism, Slimcoin offers the ASICs resistant CPU mining algorithm dcrypt and PoS. The community is active on Discord and Bitcointalk."

I'll try to put hyperlinks on first Proof-of-Burn mention and on the words "Discord" and "Bitcointalk" at the end of the text.
If there is any other suggestion please speak now or forever hold your peace Smiley as we are already a bit late with delivery and I'd say it's mandatory to send the announcement this weekend.
legendary
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Regarding the mining/minting issue: Both Peercoin's (and Slimcoin's) PoS "minting" and Slimcoin's PoB "minting/mining" are variations of CPU mining like Graham correctly stated. The difference with PoW mining is that difficulty in PoS and PoB is not global, but individual (per address) and depends: in PoS, from the coin-years of your UTXOs (the amount of SLM multiplicated with the years you hould them without moving), and in PoB, from the "effective burnt coins" (the coins sent to the burn address minus "decayed burnt coins").

So technically, both are "mining" - i.e., when searching for a block, the algorithm searches for a number (a matching hash) with a certain amount of zeroes at the start (the more zeroes, the more difficult it is). However, in the altcoin "jargon" PoS is referred to often as "minting" (or "forging") because the needed computing power is drastically influenced by the coins you held, and not so much on the amount of "work" the computer has to provide, so the comparison with a working real-world "miner" isn't that suitable. In PoB, it's exactly like in PoS, only that the amount of coins burnt is the decisive factor.
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FTR:

It's PoW mining, just as Iain Stewart described it back in Dec 2012: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_burn: "Burnt coins are mining rigs!"

printf("CPUMiner started for proof-of-burn\n");

https://github.com/slimcoin-project/Slimcoin/blob/dffb8f27dae301758523acce8de4359ce0d383aa/src/main.cpp#L5618:
Code:
                //hash it as if it was not our block and test if the hash matches our claimed hash
                uint256 hasher;
                GetBurnHash(pblock->hashPrevBlock, pblock->burnBlkHeight, pblock->burnCTx,
                                        pblock->burnCTxOut, hasher, use_burn_hash_intermediate(pblock->nTime));

printf("CPUMiner : proof-of-burn block found %s\n", pblock->GetHash().ToString().c_str());

Perhaps the advert could include a reference to the bitcoin wiki page because it attests to Slimcoin's status as a senior altcoin with a unique distribution mechanism.

Cheers

Graham


I hope there is a possibility to put hyperlinks there. Thank you for your suggestions!
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FTR:

It's PoW mining, just as Iain Stewart described it back in Dec 2012: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_burn: "Burnt coins are mining rigs!"

printf("CPUMiner started for proof-of-burn\n");

https://github.com/slimcoin-project/Slimcoin/blob/dffb8f27dae301758523acce8de4359ce0d383aa/src/main.cpp#L5618:
Code:
                //hash it as if it was not our block and test if the hash matches our claimed hash
                uint256 hasher;
                GetBurnHash(pblock->hashPrevBlock, pblock->burnBlkHeight, pblock->burnCTx,
                                        pblock->burnCTxOut, hasher, use_burn_hash_intermediate(pblock->nTime));

printf("CPUMiner : proof-of-burn block found %s\n", pblock->GetHash().ToString().c_str());

Perhaps the advert could include a reference to the bitcoin wiki page because it attests to Slimcoin's status as a senior altcoin with a unique distribution mechanism.

Cheers

Graham
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@eddycurrent: I've taken into consideration your suggestion to change "mining" into "minting" in the text but I'm not able to establish where it would be more appropriate.
We have the following expression with the word "mining" in our text: "virtual mining", "the possibility to mine coins", "unique mining mechanism"  and "ASICs resistant CPU mining algorithm dcypt".
The first 3 expressions are about PoB. Is PoB to be considered as minting instead of mining?
The last one is about CPU mining, so I wouldn't change it.

To the best of my knowledge (I am not confident about this) I believe that PoS, PoB, ... are sometimes referred to as minting mechanisms, but I would like to get clarification/correction on that. I do not think that it is a major issue in this context, but might just be good for a bit of clarity. Unless someone else can confirm this I would be happy to leave it as "mining" to be on the safe side.

let it be "mining"
POB is good due taking coins out of circulation forever in the process of burning, at the same time being a full-fledged imitation of the POW process, only without the need for purchase (or additional purchase) of mining equipment (GPU, ASIC, CPU, FPGA or what else will come up...  Grin )
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@eddycurrent: I've taken into consideration your suggestion to change "mining" into "minting" in the text but I'm not able to establish where it would be more appropriate.
We have the following expression with the word "mining" in our text: "virtual mining", "the possibility to mine coins", "unique mining mechanism"  and "ASICs resistant CPU mining algorithm dcypt".
The first 3 expressions are about PoB. Is PoB to be considered as minting instead of mining?
The last one is about CPU mining, so I wouldn't change it.

To the best of my knowledge (I am not confident about this) I believe that PoS, PoB, ... are sometimes referred to as minting mechanisms, but I would like to get clarification/correction on that. I do not think that it is a major issue in this context, but might just be good for a bit of clarity. Unless someone else can confirm this I would be happy to leave it as "mining" to be on the safe side.
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What about the following formulation: "that by the recent estimates provides up to 39% of yearly SLM returns" (instead of "yearly profit")?

Sounds good too me, edited!

Yep, PoS is at 10%:
Code:
int64 nRewardCoinYear = nTime > POB_POS_TARGET_SWITCH_TIME ? (10 * CENT) : CENT;
(CENT is 0.01 SLM, so an 1-year-old 1 SLM utxo gets 0.10 SLM, or 10% of its value.)

I however have a bit a hard time to promote that because I consider that value relatively high, and I would like to see it lowered in a future hard fork. For now, a hard fork is obviously very difficult, but if we progress with the new Peercoin code implementation somewhen, then a HF will eventually become mandatory. It's obviously up to the community to decide a new PoS reward. And the high PoS rewards are surely a feature that can attract new users now. But if we change that in the future, they would surely feel cheated.
In such case we'd better not mention the PoS profit we have, I think our main goal is to promote PoB, as it's the unique feature of SLM.


I'll publish the final version of announcement in few hours here to see whether I've been able to understand and consider all the suggestions. I think we need to send it to Freiexchange soon.

Update: I've got a very busy day so I was not able to work on the text. If someone has time to summarize what we've said so far that would be great, if not I'll try to put my hands on this during the next 24 hours.

Update 2019-12-13: I've edited our advertising announcement and here is the result I've got:
"Officially announced on May 17th, 2014 and fairly launched 4 days later Slimcoin is one of the few truly decentralized coins around, so whoever can join and contribute to its development and will be accepted as equal by the other contributors on the basis of his abilities and dedication. Its Proof-of-Burn (or virtual mining) algorithm, that by the recent estimates provides up to 30% of yearly SLM returns, grants to everybody the possibility to mine coins without any specific hardware and with a minimal computing power employed. It also contributes to a balanced power structure without an almighty elite and to a clean environment for the future generations. The economic model that is behind the Proof-of-Burn mechanism is not within the get-rich-fast logic, but rewards long-term involvement. So Slimcoin has a potential to shine should the traditional coin’s markets become saturated. Along with a unique mining mechanism, Slimcoin offers the ASICs resistant CPU mining algorithm dcypt and PoS. The community is active on Discord and Bitcointalk."

Please let me know if it's ok or whether there is something to change.

@eddycurrent: I've taken into consideration your suggestion to change "mining" into "minting" in the text but I'm not able to establish where it would be more appropriate.
We have the following expression with the word "mining" in our text: "virtual mining", "the possibility to mine coins", "unique mining mechanism"  and "ASICs resistant CPU mining algorithm dcypt".
The first 3 expressions are about PoB. Is PoB to be considered as minting instead of mining?
The last one is about CPU mining, so I wouldn't change it.
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