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Quote from: Agbe on December 06, 2023, 05:34:16 PM

Quote from: redsun114 on December 06, 2023, 03:48:52 PM

As they say, it's easier said than done. A gambler who is addicted to gambling simply cannot stay away from gambling and spend time with friends or family members and stay busy elsewhere instead of gambling because they are addicted to it, don't you know how an addiction works? You can't resist the urge when you are addicted. As soon as you feel like you want to do the thing you are addicted to, you just can't stop yourself from it, because you lack self-control which is the reason why you've got addicted to it in the first place.

So, for a gambler to get out of their addiction, they will need a helping hand from either a family member or a close friend, and for that to happen, they will have to acknowledge the fact that they are in a problem and they need to get out of it. That's when a person can give them a helping hand and help them get out of it.

An addicted gamblers can only stay and discussed things with another addicted gamblers because in the midsts they do things together and plan together. And as you said, "experience is the best teacher " even if it is not gambling and if you are addicted in one particular thing and for you to leave that thing and do another thing is very hard but when you put your mind to leave thing before you can overcome it. To stop gambling, orientation and education always comes from home but the peer influence is always very strong that home education can't prevail over it. And if one wants to escape from gambling he has to control himself from the beginning and if you can't then gambling addiction is sure.

Experience that can be a lesson for us, where the experience we have can be a picture in the future not to make mistakes again, also people can learn from other people's experiences to be learned, so there is no need to feel what you want to feel, if it is for learning they can see and hear experiences from others. It is not easy to leave something that has become an inherent habit (addiction). Some people who are already addicted to gambling and want to quit their addiction usually fail to quit because this addiction is difficult to leave, just like drug addiction,

My advice, it's better to limit it from the start, don't let us get caught up with gambling which ultimately makes us addicted to gambling which harms us of course.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 06, 2023, 12:37:35 PM

Quote from: vv181 on December 02, 2023, 07:45:27 AM

You are reducing a whole industry that based on research could be evaporated by only such things as willpower? that's absurd. Not every psychological condition is merely caused by a lack of willpower. Also, Willpower would not be the sole solution to help those who are addicted. That is simply ignorant and unemphatic to believe such a thing.

Firstly, you need to read posts thoroughly since I never specifically stated that the entire psychology and therapy industry is depending only on the willpower factor. It's a major reason behind most mental conditions which helped their industry earn big.

Secondly, you clearly have no idea how important willpower is to gambling addicts which is your opinion is what's absurd. Do your research.

Let's clear a few things up. Yes, you did not explicitly and specifically stated it would be evaporated. It was just a wrong word choice of mine.

The part of the context that I heavily disagree with are:

Quote from: Haunebu on December 06, 2023, 12:37:35 PM

Secondly, you clearly have no idea how important willpower is to gambling addicts which is your opinion is what's absurd. Do your research.

Heavy simplification. And Extremely narrow point of view. "important", "willpower", "addicts".

Addiction is a complex subject, and singling out one cause as a major important factor, without considering other factors, is ludicrous.

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Quote from: redsun114 on December 06, 2023, 03:48:52 PM

As they say, it's easier said than done. A gambler who is addicted to gambling simply cannot stay away from gambling and spend time with friends or family members and stay busy elsewhere instead of gambling because they are addicted to it, don't you know how an addiction works? You can't resist the urge when you are addicted. As soon as you feel like you want to do the thing you are addicted to, you just can't stop yourself from it, because you lack self-control which is the reason why you've got addicted to it in the first place.

So, for a gambler to get out of their addiction, they will need a helping hand from either a family member or a close friend, and for that to happen, they will have to acknowledge the fact that they are in a problem and they need to get out of it. That's when a person can give them a helping hand and help them get out of it.

An addicted gamblers can only stay and discussed things with another addicted gamblers because in the midsts they do things together and plan together. And as you said, "experience is the best teacher " even if it is not gambling and if you are addicted in one particular thing and for you to leave that thing and do another thing is very hard but when you put your mind to leave thing before you can overcome it. To stop gambling, orientation and education always comes from home but the peer influence is always very strong that home education can't prevail over it. And if one wants to escape from gambling he has to control himself from the beginning and if you can't then gambling addiction is sure.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on December 04, 2023, 07:05:58 AM

If a person is addicted to gambling then not only parades will help to bring that person out of gambling addiction but also the person who is addicted to gambling should have his own efforts to come out of gambling addiction. A new gambler reaches a stage of gambling where he becomes addicted to gambling and for him it becomes very challenging to get back to a normal life. The family may want the person to get out of gambling addiction but if the family tries hard to get the person out of gambling addiction then it is difficult for the family to get him out of gambling addiction. When a gambler becomes addicted to gambling, to get out of that addiction, he can spend his free time with friends or try to be busy with other activities during the time when he is most prone to gambling. A person addicted to gambling can come out of gambling addiction when he keeps himself busy with other activities.

As they say, it's easier said than done. A gambler who is addicted to gambling simply cannot stay away from gambling and spend time with friends or family members and stay busy elsewhere instead of gambling because they are addicted to it, don't you know how an addiction works? You can't resist the urge when you are addicted. As soon as you feel like you want to do the thing you are addicted to, you just can't stop yourself from it, because you lack self-control which is the reason why you've got addicted to it in the first place.

So, for a gambler to get out of their addiction, they will need a helping hand from either a family member or a close friend, and for that to happen, they will have to acknowledge the fact that they are in a problem and they need to get out of it. That's when a person can give them a helping hand and help them get out of it.

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Quote from: vv181 on December 02, 2023, 07:45:27 AM

You are reducing a whole industry that based on research could be evaporated by only such things as willpower? that's absurd. Not every psychological condition is merely caused by a lack of willpower. Also, Willpower would not be the sole solution to help those who are addicted. That is simply ignorant and unemphatic to believe such a thing.

Firstly, you need to read posts thoroughly since I never specifically stated that the entire psychology and therapy industry is depending only on the willpower factor. It's a major reason behind most mental conditions which helped their industry earn big.

Secondly, you clearly have no idea how important willpower is to gambling addicts which is your opinion is what's absurd. Do your research.

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In this kind of approach, then this may not be on slot alone, but gambling in general, we need to educate people about it, they need to understand the needful on how to be a responsible and a successful gambler, this is something that is rare to see that some are interested in having an initiative on educating others, especially the young generation just as most people have perceived, some really needs help and direction before they got the wrong idea about gambling.

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Quote from: Hamphser on December 05, 2023, 08:57:36 AM

Quote from: delfastTions on December 05, 2023, 04:02:58 AM

Quote from: Hamphser on December 03, 2023, 03:59:13 PM

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Gambling could really mess up someone's life if you won't really be that careful in regarding with your decisions on which gambling should really just that for fun and not for income making.

As for those parades showing those kind of realistic scenarios then it's a good way of showing about those results if they won't really be that careful towards gambling and the actions they are making.Showing in public does might open someone's eye and make them realized but it's true that there would be people who would be curious.

It is absolutely true that gambling can even ruin a person's life.
But not all people are so gambling and reckless when they see that they are not succeeding in winning big money while playing, that they still retain the ability to stop in time and not continue playing. But of course, some players can be said to simply lose their minds and control over their actions, and that moment when the adrenaline from the game rages in his blood and clouds his brain and the player stops thinking logically at all. There really is a danger of developing a gambling addiction. But it seems to me that a person with a sufficiently strong will and abilities of even average self-control is not very susceptible to such a development of events. It seems to me that only one out of ten average gamblers can actually potentially become a gambling addict, and in the disease stage.
Fortunately, most players still simply get emotions and pleasure from the games and this does not bring any negative consequences. Well, of course, if you don’t count the lost money, which, as is commonly accepted, can be considered simply payment for the pleasure received from the game.

People are really that different to each other on which it is really that there are ones who are really that who could be able to control and there are ones who cant and this is why on the time that people would be able to deal up with gambling then its up to them whether they would really be tolerating their greed or would really be mindful when it comes to their financial status and wont really be that easily be spending up tons
in gambling. Good thing about on these parades on which it is really that good to see that they are really showing off about on what are the potential problems that a certain gambler would really be able to experience
if they would really be letting themselves spending up too much money on it.

Good thing if you do able to learn up with those parades and make out some realization but actually you could really be able to learn on your own
with just having some common sense.

Another key issue in the process of involving a person in gambling is, of course, whether he has enough free time. If a person is forced to work long and hard to have money for living, he has practically no time left for gambling in such a number of hours that he can turn into a gambling addict at the stage of the disease. Thus, it can be argued that, as a rule, only those people who have a lot of free time can become addicted to gambling. There may be exceptions to this rule, but I don't think there are very many of them.

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Quote from: cafter on December 05, 2023, 09:08:04 AM

this parade at least give an idea that what is the future of most of the people who gamble or simply gamblers.
I think it will make more strong belief for non gamblers that in gambling all people will going to become like this, so he will not think about gambling in future or will stay away from it.
and other members saying that this video will spread gambling to more people but i think no, because there is just written slot, only gamblers or people who already know about slots will know that this is about gambling.

it will Input to others but not to the majority that gambling is truly that bad instead this will bring interest and curiosity in other non gamblers about why they ended like this and may wanna try to gamble.
people loves thrill and risk so if they are going to be a better person they need to try how this is and why some ended like that in gambling.
there is still some good in gambling (but that is if you know what to do and how to handle this area of possible profiting)

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on December 04, 2023, 09:09:49 AM

Anyways, coming out from gambling addiction requires a deliberate effort, which especially must come from the gambler who is addicted to gambling him or herself.
Lets think of it this way, there is no way someone who is sick and does not agree that he or she is sick; will get better, except the family grabs him or her and force medication on him or her, and you all will agree with me that, forced medication is not possible when it comes to treatment of gambling addiction, and this is because, the addict must first know and agree that he or she is addicted to gambling, and also agree that he or she needs to be helped to come of the addiction, this is the only way treatment can be given and it will be effective, aside this, one can never find a solution to a problem he or she do not believe exist.

I highly agree with this. To get out of any kind of addiction, the person who is addicted himself should be the one taking the initiative to get out of his addiction. There are lots of cases where an addict is forcefully confined to remove his addiction but the result does not bode well, it is either the person commits suicide due to frustration of feeling oppressed or the rehabilitation doesn't have an effect on that person instead the person became more deeply addicted.

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Quote from: Renampun on May 14, 2023, 01:37:15 PM

do you think, a parade like this will be effective in reducing the level of gambling addiction?

I don't think that it's going to be a no for me, parades definitely attracts people but the last thing that they're going to care about is the message that the parade delivers about stuff and in this case which is gambling addiction, they're better off doing this kind of stuff creating a TV show, look at Breaking Bad and other police dramas, they've somehow affected a certain percentage of the population about how they perceive police.

True, any kind of parade indeed attracts people but the message of the parade is forgotten the moment the last of the parade is seen. Unless something very appealing or attractive is seen on that parade, it will be easily forgotten in just a matter of minutes after the parade passes by.

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Quote from: Renampun on May 14, 2023, 01:37:15 PM

do you think, a parade like this will be effective in reducing the level of gambling addiction?

I don't think that it's going to be a no for me, parades definitely attracts people but the last thing that they're going to care about is the message that the parade delivers about stuff and in this case which is gambling addiction, they're better off doing this kind of stuff creating a TV show, look at Breaking Bad and other police dramas, they've somehow affected a certain percentage of the population about how they perceive police.

Quote from: paxmao on December 03, 2023, 08:33:06 PM

Reminds me of the food adverts in which governments with very limited budgets try to get just simple ideas in the mind of people such as the "five a day" while massive corporations with endless resources put add after add about doughnuts and countless money into making people believe that cereals are actually healthy and eating avocado is somehow "detox". Same here.

That's been a crazy trend for a long time already, corporations sponsoring researchers to create a biased and manufactured research results to further improve their sales. Dairy companies are the most notorious that I can think of that's been doing these stuff that you're talking about especially with the effects of drinking a cow's milk, another one that I've remembered is Gatorade sponsoring research about dehydration and how dangerous it is.

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this parade at least give an idea that what is the future of most of the people who gamble or simply gamblers.
I think it will make more strong belief for non gamblers that in gambling all people will going to become like this, so he will not think about gambling in future or will stay away from it.
and other members saying that this video will spread gambling to more people but i think no, because there is just written slot, only gamblers or people who already know about slots will know that this is about gambling.

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Quote from: delfastTions on December 05, 2023, 04:02:58 AM

Quote from: Hamphser on December 03, 2023, 03:59:13 PM

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Gambling could really mess up someone's life if you won't really be that careful in regarding with your decisions on which gambling should really just that for fun and not for income making.

As for those parades showing those kind of realistic scenarios then it's a good way of showing about those results if they won't really be that careful towards gambling and the actions they are making.Showing in public does might open someone's eye and make them realized but it's true that there would be people who would be curious.

It is absolutely true that gambling can even ruin a person's life.
But not all people are so gambling and reckless when they see that they are not succeeding in winning big money while playing, that they still retain the ability to stop in time and not continue playing. But of course, some players can be said to simply lose their minds and control over their actions, and that moment when the adrenaline from the game rages in his blood and clouds his brain and the player stops thinking logically at all. There really is a danger of developing a gambling addiction. But it seems to me that a person with a sufficiently strong will and abilities of even average self-control is not very susceptible to such a development of events. It seems to me that only one out of ten average gamblers can actually potentially become a gambling addict, and in the disease stage.
Fortunately, most players still simply get emotions and pleasure from the games and this does not bring any negative consequences. Well, of course, if you don’t count the lost money, which, as is commonly accepted, can be considered simply payment for the pleasure received from the game.

People are really that different to each other on which it is really that there are ones who are really that who could be able to control and there are ones who cant and this is why on the time that people would be able to deal up with gambling then its up to them whether they would really be tolerating their greed or would really be mindful when it comes to their financial status and wont really be that easily be spending up tons
in gambling. Good thing about on these parades on which it is really that good to see that they are really showing off about on what are the potential problems that a certain gambler would really be able to experience
if they would really be letting themselves spending up too much money on it.

Good thing if you do able to learn up with those parades and make out some realization but actually you could really be able to learn on your own
with just having some common sense.

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Quote from: Bitinity on December 03, 2023, 08:32:56 PM

Quote from: vv181 on December 02, 2023, 07:45:27 AM

The parade may affect locally, but on a general scale, it won't be effective in solving the whole issue. Gambling addiction is complex, regulations are required to prevent and measure it widely. So only by judging based on a single unknown video, the effectiveness certainly can't be measured precisely.

Affect locally, both positively and negatively imo. Positive effect, the parade may make people aware about the dangerous effect of gambling. Negative effect; the parade is introducing gambling to people who have never knew about it. Coming up to effectivity, it is depending how the parade present it to piblic as well as the level of awareness from the people who watch the parade.

Indeed, one of the unintended consequences is those who haven't been exposed to gambling may be curious about what it is all about. It may lead them to experience and get to know about it. Especially children without direct intervention or guidance from their own parent.

I can't say it won't have any positive effect, but I believe it will be insignificant noting the parade is polished in a fun and ironic way. You know kind of inside jokes from the community, so that is the reason why I have that opinion.

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Quote from: Hamphser on December 03, 2023, 03:59:13 PM

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Gambling could really mess up someone's life if you won't really be that careful in regarding with your decisions on which gambling should really just that for fun and not for income making.

As for those parades showing those kind of realistic scenarios then it's a good way of showing about those results if they won't really be that careful towards gambling and the actions they are making.Showing in public does might open someone's eye and make them realized but it's true that there would be people who would be curious.

It is absolutely true that gambling can even ruin a person's life.
But not all people are so gambling and reckless when they see that they are not succeeding in winning big money while playing, that they still retain the ability to stop in time and not continue playing. But of course, some players can be said to simply lose their minds and control over their actions, and that moment when the adrenaline from the game rages in his blood and clouds his brain and the player stops thinking logically at all. There really is a danger of developing a gambling addiction. But it seems to me that a person with a sufficiently strong will and abilities of even average self-control is not very susceptible to such a development of events. It seems to me that only one out of ten average gamblers can actually potentially become a gambling addict, and in the disease stage.
Fortunately, most players still simply get emotions and pleasure from the games and this does not bring any negative consequences. Well, of course, if you don’t count the lost money, which, as is commonly accepted, can be considered simply payment for the pleasure received from the game.

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Quote from: erep on December 04, 2023, 02:53:44 PM

I think the parade conveys a message, if you understand the "Indonesian" writing on the front of the motorbike with different writing for each motorbike, the first writing conveys the message that a month of playing slot gambling you still have an expensive class motorbike, the message on the second motorbike they convey after 2 months gambling on slots but the motorbike class is lower because you have sold/pawned the previous motorbike for gambling funds.

The conclusion above, they say that your financial condition will get worse if you are greedy in gambling, you need to set a limit on funds for gambling and never force yourself to gamble if you don't have additional income from your income, avoid using funds from family needs and savings funds.

Yeah, the sarcasm is spot on when it comes to the popularity of slot games in Indonesia. The financial downfall due to excessive slot gaming makes perfect sense, but many people still fall into the trap of extraordinary addiction, continuously depositing money to take back their past losses. There's a significant lack of understanding when it comes to responding to slot gambling, leading to numerous victims willing to sell their valuable belongings (like car, motorcycle, jewelry, etc) to fund their deposits on gambling platforms.

What should be a form of entertainment turns into a shortcut for making money, without realizing that many YouTube contents explain that some companies providing online slots are manipulating the system behind the scenes, making it unfair for gamblers. As long as it's not transparent, who knows?

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Quote from: erep on December 04, 2023, 02:53:44 PM

Quote from: wiss19 on December 04, 2023, 12:38:22 PM

So, the overall point is, that this parade doesn't look to be conveying the right message to the people seeing the parade and the banners being carried, and it looks more like a promotional campaign than an awareness parade and the organizers will need to think out of the box for their next event so that they can convey the message very clearly and convince the audience that gambling addiction is a curse.

I think the parade conveys a message, if you understand the "Indonesian" writing on the front of the motorbike with different writing for each motorbike, the first writing conveys the message that a month of playing slot gambling you still have an expensive class motorbike, the message on the second motorbike they convey after 2 months gambling on slots but the motorbike class is lower because you have sold/pawned the previous motorbike for gambling funds.

Yeah it is quite clear that the message conveys on how uncontrolled gambling activities can affect a person negatively. But on the first glance, the parade is more likely promoting a certain kind of slots because they have given more stress on the kind of slots game, making it more attention grabbing, than the "effect of gambling" that follows it.

Quote from: erep on December 04, 2023, 02:53:44 PM

The conclusion above, they say that your financial condition will get worse if you are greedy in gambling, you need to set a limit on funds for gambling and never force yourself to gamble if you don't have additional income from your income, avoid using funds from family needs and savings funds.

Actually there is not much explanation stated on the parade, it is just slot game followed by motorcycles with labels for the months of playing. The parade is lacking of information and banners that will explain the reason why too much gambling is devastating to ur finances.

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Quote from: erep on December 04, 2023, 02:53:44 PM

Quote from: wiss19 on December 04, 2023, 12:38:22 PM

So, the overall point is, that this parade doesn't look to be conveying the right message to the people seeing the parade and the banners being carried, and it looks more like a promotional campaign than an awareness parade and the organizers will need to think out of the box for their next event so that they can convey the message very clearly and convince the audience that gambling addiction is a curse.

I think the parade conveys a message, if you understand the "Indonesian" writing on the front of the motorbike with different writing for each motorbike, the first writing conveys the message that a month of playing slot gambling you still have an expensive class motorbike, the message on the second motorbike they convey after 2 months gambling on slots but the motorbike class is lower because you have sold/pawned the previous motorbike for gambling funds.

The conclusion above, they say that your financial condition will get worse if you are greedy in gambling, you need to set a limit on funds for gambling and never force yourself to gamble if you don't have additional income from your income, avoid using funds from family needs and savings funds.

Limit and moderation would be always recommended but most people who are active on doing gambling would really be missing out this kind of thing on which they do really believe that they could make out
easy money from gambling until they would be able to experience those downgrades or experiencing those losing posessions and then this is where self realizations do kick in. Regrets is starting to kick in
and its a common human being behavior that they would eventually be able to stop when its already too late.Yes, no one could be perfect and we do really commit out some mistakes but
as much as possible we should really be doing on the things on which we do seems that it would be the best thing to be done.

You wont really be that making yourself get wrecked if you do just not letting it for those things to happen. It is really just that there are people who dont really care
as long they are doing on the things that they do like but we know that everything which is too much would be always bad.

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Quote from: wiss19 on December 04, 2023, 12:38:22 PM

So, the overall point is, that this parade doesn't look to be conveying the right message to the people seeing the parade and the banners being carried, and it looks more like a promotional campaign than an awareness parade and the organizers will need to think out of the box for their next event so that they can convey the message very clearly and convince the audience that gambling addiction is a curse.

I think the parade conveys a message, if you understand the "Indonesian" writing on the front of the motorbike with different writing for each motorbike, the first writing conveys the message that a month of playing slot gambling you still have an expensive class motorbike, the message on the second motorbike they convey after 2 months gambling on slots but the motorbike class is lower because you have sold/pawned the previous motorbike for gambling funds.

The conclusion above, they say that your financial condition will get worse if you are greedy in gambling, you need to set a limit on funds for gambling and never force yourself to gamble if you don't have additional income from your income, avoid using funds from family needs and savings funds.

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Quote from: Oilacris on December 02, 2023, 09:04:29 AM

Quote from: LuckySea on December 02, 2023, 08:42:20 AM

In terms of lowering gambling addiction, the parade kind of missed the point. It felt less like an important reminder and more like a fun game ad. They could try a more direct message to help people decide what to do.

Looks like a game ad? Not actually if you do really try to understand but if you are that someone whose really that having that common sense then you could really be able to determine
on whats the message that it do really brings. So it is a matter of understanding and realizing on what it do message out. It is a good initiative into those people who did organized
such parade on which making some showing on how gambling could really affect someones life and this is something that should really be needed up to realize by someone.
It is really that quiet unusual on having these kind of parades because usually it is really that something always be showcasing those slot companies but this one turns out to be different though
but i do agree that theres still part of it which is on marketing side.

He is not wrong in saying that the parade missed the actual point which is to spread awareness about gambling addiction because nothing in that video shows anything that gives such a message, it's just some pictures and banners which aren't give a clear message and I'm also pretty positive that most people that see the parade will get a different message, and instead of staying away from gambling or slots games, they would get curious and wish to try some of the games shown in the parade.

So, the overall point is, that this parade doesn't look to be conveying the right message to the people seeing the parade and the banners being carried, and it looks more like a promotional campaign than an awareness parade and the organizers will need to think out of the box for their next event so that they can convey the message very clearly and convince the audience that gambling addiction is a curse.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on December 01, 2023, 06:23:58 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on December 01, 2023, 01:24:15 PM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on December 01, 2023, 04:53:25 AM

The willpower you just mentioned is so powerful to the point that if everybody has it, then the therapy and psychiatry industry would be so poor. But unfortunately, the reserve is the case in our society, people often do not fight for it or train themselves to maintain the sanity that will help their willpower to grow.

Agreed. Everyone possess willpower to varying extents. The majority have weak willpower leading to regular issues like gambling addiction etc in their day to day lives while the minority have great willpower who live their lives successfully.

The psychiatry and therapy industry earn huge amounts thanks to so many people possessing weak willpower.

When it comes to addiction, it's a very difficult situation because so-called normal self-control is no longer there. Apparently, what a gambling addict does is make their condition uncontrollable.

Unless the gambling addict himself has the willingness to change the addiction he is going through, in this scenario, there is no hope of recovering from the addiction. Because it's not easy to get rid of addiction, to be honest.

addicted gambler has nothing to do with uncontrollable condition because it is not they
wanting but since they are already addicted then they cannot control that and you are correct about them willingness
to change because that is the only thing that will help them save from addiction , have seen some friends become
one and yes this is a life threatening situation and sometimes even ended in suicide .

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