Topic: Slush Pool Outage (Read 1830 times)
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Yeah I've read lots of guides and these are my outstanding questions that I can't seem to get an answer to.
As far as waiting, I test graphics cards so am going to use mining as part of the tests and there's usually a fair bit going on at once ...
Right now on test there are:
6 x 7970 on 3 test rigs.
4 x 7950 on 2 test rigs.
1 x 6990
1 x 5970
1 x 6970
6 other cards hardly worth mentioning 5770 etc
Cheers
As far as waiting, I test graphics cards so am going to use mining as part of the tests and there's usually a fair bit going on at once ...
Right now on test there are:
6 x 7970 on 3 test rigs.
4 x 7950 on 2 test rigs.
1 x 6990
1 x 5970
1 x 6970
6 other cards hardly worth mentioning 5770 etc
Cheers
Oops. My bad, managed to not read "solo". Never tried solo mining.
I would presume theres some reasonably simple guides?
But unless you are ASIC or FPGA I can't see it being worth it?
Surely you'd be waiting years until you got a payout!
I would presume theres some reasonably simple guides?
But unless you are ASIC or FPGA I can't see it being worth it?
Surely you'd be waiting years until you got a payout!
Sorry I'm not sure what the correct terminology is but I mean mining to my own own instance of "bitcoin-qt -server" i.e. not connected to a pool.
I thought it was solo mining.
rpcuser is the account user you set in the bitcoin.conf.
I thought it was solo mining.
rpcuser is the account user you set in the bitcoin.conf.
1) Does stopping and restarting the miner (CGMiner) have any effect on things? (I have written a scheduler to restart at different intensities)
Due to the way older shares are worth less, if you are unlucky and tend to run more when blocks are starting you will earn less.
But long term it shouldn't really matter. Everything should average out!
2) To use multiple machines for solo mining do you point them all at the same rpcuser?
RPCUser? You mean the user on slush? ie worker accounts?
If so I just added a couple of extra workers (and this was for different clients on the same machine). But i think it still works if you point them all at one.
Ahhh great.
I now understand, thanks to everyone who helped.
I also have 2 quick questions about solo mining if anyone can help to clarify for me:
1) Does stopping and restarting the miner (CGMiner) have any effect on things? (I have written a scheduler to restart at different intensities)
2) To use multiple machines for solo mining do you point them all at the same rpcuser?
That's it cheers for all the help.
I now understand, thanks to everyone who helped.
I also have 2 quick questions about solo mining if anyone can help to clarify for me:
1) Does stopping and restarting the miner (CGMiner) have any effect on things? (I have written a scheduler to restart at different intensities)
2) To use multiple machines for solo mining do you point them all at the same rpcuser?
That's it cheers for all the help.
Unconfirmed rewards will be sorted soon(tm) when slush gets into it. He has to test and enable systems one by one to make sure things go right.
I was wondering if it had anything to do with the page being down, It seems although I made a lot of unconfirmed, running blind yesterday, none of them have been confirmed yet which I would expect confirmation on about half of them by now. Wondering if the pool running without the webpage was somehow handicapped.
I did notice that the luck for the day dropped significantly. Any simple explanation for that?
Yes bed luck... Sometimes you get more sometimes you get less. Unless you are on a PPS pool this is a way of things...
I did notice that the luck for the day dropped significantly. Any simple explanation for that?
Actually, the other way around I think. I started the miner during that block. No matter, I now understand that the payout isn't linear....
It is not simple but if you are interested
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50002
Any idea how long it will take to get my pending payout from the outage, I had to take my miners down for a while because of the outage and it wouldnt let me connect back up, but now i have items that i am not getting. They are still sitting in pending and from what i have been reading is that people are already getting their backlog of blocks found.
OK, I went thru all reportings of wrong block rewards. I fixed some rounds, but currently it looks to me that they're fine and reported differences are in the range of common variance (+ some downtime during the pool recovery). So I'm going to process pending block rewards and payouts in few minutes.
Automatic payouts will be still disabled until tomorrow and I'll do manual payouts irregularly by myself, because I want to keep eyes to payout mechanism for some time. But if everything will work well, I'll enable periodic payouts every 15 minutes tomorrow.
Automatic payouts will be still disabled until tomorrow and I'll do manual payouts irregularly by myself, because I want to keep eyes to payout mechanism for some time. But if everything will work well, I'll enable periodic payouts every 15 minutes tomorrow.
Thanks, I guess i must have passed right over that message. I will take a look tomorrow and see what happens.
Actually, the other way around I think. I started the miner during that block. No matter, I now understand that the payout isn't linear....
Any idea how long it will take to get my pending payout from the outage, I had to take my miners down for a while because of the outage and it wouldnt let me connect back up, but now i have items that i am not getting. They are still sitting in pending and from what i have been reading is that people are already getting their backlog of blocks found.
OK, I went thru all reportings of wrong block rewards. I fixed some rounds, but currently it looks to me that they're fine and reported differences are in the range of common variance (+ some downtime during the pool recovery). So I'm going to process pending block rewards and payouts in few minutes.
Automatic payouts will be still disabled until tomorrow and I'll do manual payouts irregularly by myself, because I want to keep eyes to payout mechanism for some time. But if everything will work well, I'll enable periodic payouts every 15 minutes tomorrow.
Automatic payouts will be still disabled until tomorrow and I'll do manual payouts irregularly by myself, because I want to keep eyes to payout mechanism for some time. But if everything will work well, I'll enable periodic payouts every 15 minutes tomorrow.
I have a problem with a couple blocks. I have similar numbers in the two blocks (differ by about 30%), and they are roughly the same duration, but the payouts differ by more than an order of magnitude...
17685 2013-04-25 20:48:03 0:39:46 4255356 155 0.00095736 233130
17681 2013-04-25 12:15:07 0:46:37 4629094 109 0.00009101 233065
17685 2013-04-25 20:48:03 0:39:46 4255356 155 0.00095736 233130
17681 2013-04-25 12:15:07 0:46:37 4629094 109 0.00009101 233065
No they are not the same... On a longer block you have 30% less shares so you probably stooped your miner... That is why you have much less...
Any idea how long it will take to get my pending payout from the outage, I had to take my miners down for a while because of the outage and it wouldnt let me connect back up, but now i have items that i am not getting. They are still sitting in pending and from what i have been reading is that people are already getting their backlog of blocks found.
I have a problem with a couple blocks. I have similar numbers in the two blocks (differ by about 30%), and they are roughly the same duration, but the payouts differ by more than an order of magnitude...
17685 2013-04-25 20:48:03 0:39:46 4255356 155 0.00095736 233130
17681 2013-04-25 12:15:07 0:46:37 4629094 109 0.00009101 233065
17685 2013-04-25 20:48:03 0:39:46 4255356 155 0.00095736 233130
17681 2013-04-25 12:15:07 0:46:37 4629094 109 0.00009101 233065
3 things you need to know.
1. Slush pool is using Slush method... It is not simple (Block Value * 0.98 * your shares) / total shares. It is more complex do discourage pool hoping... But basicly shares at the end of a block are more valuable then one at the start. Longer the run bigger the difference. And you get penalised if you stop miner...
2. You will get less on short runs do to pool hoppers(when they take away from you) and more on longer runs(when you take away from them).
3. Forget mining calculator, this only works on long time frame
From what I can see there are some shares missing(you were under normal speed) in all the blocks you are underpaid so I guess you were offline or something like that...
1. Slush pool is using Slush method... It is not simple (Block Value * 0.98 * your shares) / total shares. It is more complex do discourage pool hoping... But basicly shares at the end of a block are more valuable then one at the start. Longer the run bigger the difference. And you get penalised if you stop miner...
2. You will get less on short runs do to pool hoppers(when they take away from you) and more on longer runs(when you take away from them).
3. Forget mining calculator, this only works on long time frame
From what I can see there are some shares missing(you were under normal speed) in all the blocks you are underpaid so I guess you were offline or something like that...
Yeah actually i was at about .051 total rewards before the outage and after mining throughout i logged on today to find i had less than .05 in my total rewards with no payout. Now i am back to about .052 but still should be higher after a couple days of mining
The key fields are block value, your shares and the total.
Now the basic formula is (Block Value * 0.98 * your shares) / total shares. The .98 is because Slush takes 2% for his costs / time / managerial fee
So you're theoretical earnings are for each block
0.005184494 -0.0039388642
0.011731808 -0.0031357578
0.012788401 +0.0023007888
0.011075702 -0.0008164716
0.007881458 ~0
Total = 0.0486618628
Leaving you -0.0055903028
This could be a fault. I expect however its down to the true formula being a little more complex. Older shares are worth less to discourage attempts to cheat the system. Its probably just coincidence with the crash and you're mining rates were fastest at the start of blocks.
Im sure you've noticed the hash rate fluctuates a little bit. Not to mention, if you started / stopped the miners at all then bad timing could leave you with earlier less worthy shares.
If you are still concerned let me know, i'm about to get out of newbie mode so can put a copy of this in the slush's pool thread.
Code:
3819937 794 0.00124563 25.45165437
32470080 15383 0.00859605 25.26860000
4629094 2388 0.01508919 25.29600000
5689208 2550 0.01025923 25.21487399
23468644 7472 0.00788146 25.25990000
Now the basic formula is (Block Value * 0.98 * your shares) / total shares. The .98 is because Slush takes 2% for his costs / time / managerial fee
So you're theoretical earnings are for each block
0.005184494 -0.0039388642
0.011731808 -0.0031357578
0.012788401 +0.0023007888
0.011075702 -0.0008164716
0.007881458 ~0
Total = 0.0486618628
Leaving you -0.0055903028
This could be a fault. I expect however its down to the true formula being a little more complex. Older shares are worth less to discourage attempts to cheat the system. Its probably just coincidence with the crash and you're mining rates were fastest at the start of blocks.
Im sure you've noticed the hash rate fluctuates a little bit. Not to mention, if you started / stopped the miners at all then bad timing could leave you with earlier less worthy shares.
If you are still concerned let me know, i'm about to get out of newbie mode so can put a copy of this in the slush's pool thread.
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