[SMAS] Signature Managers against Spam (light version) - page 18.

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Quote from: Quickseller on December 01, 2016, 06:15:39 PM

If this guy speaks Russian at home and cannot speak English fluently then is it a bad thing he doesn't post in English sections? Sounds counter intuitive to me

Sorry that there's a rule that requires you to post in multiple sections over the week. I sincerely apologize to all those who wish to join campaigns but cannot because they are in English.

I also feel self-pity for not being able to be a Chinese diplomat because I can't speak Chinese.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on December 01, 2016, 08:33:19 PM

Actmyname, my man, that one sailed right over your noodle. I think QS is saying it is in fact a good thing that peeps with a poor command of English don't post in the English section. But who knows. I can't claim to know what QS' s thought processes are, and sarcasm/sardonicism don't get received well on this forum.

Right. Perhaps if there were local board-based campaigns for the most common languages used by spammers, that would decrease the amount of poor English we see in the general sections? (Maybe. Probably not; hungry account farmers would simply create more)

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on December 01, 2016, 07:40:40 PM

@YPIIV- you should go back and read your posts in this thread some time. You're not making any sense.

Let me clarify, SMAS is a good idea but the execution is poor

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@YPIIV- you should go back and read your posts in this thread some time. You're not making any sense.

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on December 01, 2016, 07:07:46 PM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on December 01, 2016, 07:01:23 PM

Quote from: Lauda on December 01, 2016, 07:55:29 AM

IMHO blatantly constantly breaking signature campaign rules also warrants a place on the blacklist, even if your posts are not that bad. I have split my initial blacklist into two because of this though.

I disagree, depending on the rule. The BitSler campaign has the rule

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75 characters minimum

Some of my posts are under that, and I understand I won't be paid for them, but getting SMAS blacklisted? Sometimes a bump is under 75 characters, or some games and rounds posts are under 75 characters, or I only need to write a simple word (Denied for the signature campaign I manage or lending service).

You're lucky they didnt also leave you negative trust, let them stay, there are many campaigns out there that dont use their list

SMAS logic: if you posts are short, you are a spammer

Quiet true, I think tipster, giveaway and bumping the thread will not be allowed on this forum if the smas rule imply. This must be a case to case basis before some user listed on SMAS black list, I think user under signature campaign already understand the fact that they will not pay if they post under 75 characters,

But i believe on SMAS that they have basis on putting user to blacklist because they are all professional. Maybe there some hiccups on rules but this will be fix soon.

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on December 01, 2016, 07:01:23 PM

Quote from: Lauda on December 01, 2016, 07:55:29 AM

IMHO blatantly constantly breaking signature campaign rules also warrants a place on the blacklist, even if your posts are not that bad. I have split my initial blacklist into two because of this though.

I disagree, depending on the rule. The BitSler campaign has the rule

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75 characters minimum

Some of my posts are under that, and I understand I won't be paid for them, but getting SMAS blacklisted? Sometimes a bump is under 75 characters, or some games and rounds posts are under 75 characters, or I only need to write a simple word (Denied for the signature campaign I manage or lending service).

You're lucky they didnt also leave you negative trust, let them stay, there are many campaigns out there that dont use their list

SMAS logic: if you posts are short, you are a spammer

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Quote from: Lauda on December 01, 2016, 07:55:29 AM

IMHO blatantly constantly breaking signature campaign rules also warrants a place on the blacklist, even if your posts are not that bad. I have split my initial blacklist into two because of this though.

I disagree, depending on the rule. The BitSler campaign has the rule

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75 characters minimum

Some of my posts are under that, and I understand I won't be paid for them, but getting SMAS blacklisted? Sometimes a bump is under 75 characters, or some games and rounds posts are under 75 characters, or I only need to write a simple word (Denied for the signature campaign I manage or lending service).

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Quote from: actmyname on December 01, 2016, 05:01:53 PM

Quote from: Ivanech on December 01, 2016, 08:23:58 AM

Quote from: Lauda on December 01, 2016, 08:13:05 AM

FYI (in case that you're confused) Russian section counts as '1' section (regardless of those sub-boards.

Your campaing - your rules, of course.

As for me, I was on vacation posting on forum (it is not against your rules due to no minimum weekly posts required). And then after I return to the forum you treated the small amount of local posts as a "spam" before I have a chance to enjoy other sections.

Pfft. So, you expect us to believe that you are going to post in multiple sections when not even 10% of your posts are outside of the Russian board?

Let's take a look at your post history, too - from two weeks ago, you've been static in the Russian board apart from a Bitsler campaign application and your posts here.

Here's your English post section breakdown:

Micro Earnings: 12
~~Mining (Altcoins): 12~~
Services: 8
Project Development: 5
~~Altcoin Discussion: 5~~
~~Meta: 4~~
~~Games and Rounds: 3~~
Beginners & Help: 3
~~Service Discussion (Altcoins): 2~~
Service Discussion: 2
~~Marketplace (Altcoins): 2~~
CPU/GPU bitcoin mining hardware: 1
Mining software (miners): 1
Trading Discussion, Service Announcements, Web Wallets: 3 (total)

The sum of the ones that count is a disappointing 34 out of your total 743 posts. That's ~4.6%.

If this guy speaks Russian at home and cannot speak English fluently then is it a bad thing he doesn't post in English sections? Sounds counter intuitive to me

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Quote from: Ivanech on December 01, 2016, 08:23:58 AM

Quote from: Lauda on December 01, 2016, 08:13:05 AM

FYI (in case that you're confused) Russian section counts as '1' section (regardless of those sub-boards.

Your campaing - your rules, of course.

As for me, I was on vacation posting on forum (it is not against your rules due to no minimum weekly posts required). And then after I return to the forum you treated the small amount of local posts as a "spam" before I have a chance to enjoy other sections.

Pfft. So, you expect us to believe that you are going to post in multiple sections when not even 10% of your posts are outside of the Russian board?

Let's take a look at your post history, too - from two weeks ago, you've been static in the Russian board apart from a Bitsler campaign application and your posts here.

Here's your English post section breakdown:

Micro Earnings: 12
~~Mining (Altcoins): 12~~
Services: 8
Project Development: 5
~~Altcoin Discussion: 5~~
~~Meta: 4~~
~~Games and Rounds: 3~~
Beginners & Help: 3
~~Service Discussion (Altcoins): 2~~
Service Discussion: 2
~~Marketplace (Altcoins): 2~~
CPU/GPU bitcoin mining hardware: 1
Mining software (miners): 1
Trading Discussion, Service Announcements, Web Wallets: 3 (total)

The sum of the ones that count is a disappointing 34 out of your total 743 posts. That's ~4.6%.

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Quote from: Ivanech on December 01, 2016, 08:23:58 AM

Quote from: Lauda on December 01, 2016, 08:13:05 AM

Quote from: Ivanech on December 01, 2016, 08:10:24 AM

The problem was in Bitmixer signature campaign management. The rules are

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- Excluded sections: Off-topic / Games and rounds / Alternate cryptocurrencies / Indonesian/ Meta* and this thread.

However, a two weeks ago they kicked-out all russain speaking members without any prior notice (this is against Bitmixer original rule). There are too many complains about Bitmixer management in our local section.

There is no problem in management. The problem is that you 'Russians' and any other local section spammers that have been blacklisted are unable to read:

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- You must post in multiple sections of the forum during your participation/week (if higher post count). People who make posts in short bursts will be permanently banned!

FYI (in case that you're confused) Russian section counts as '1' section (regardless of those sub-boards.

Your campaing - your rules, of course.

As for me, I was on vacation posting on forum (it is not against your rules due to no minimum weekly posts required). And then after I return to the forum you treated the small amount of local posts as a "spam" before I have a chance to enjoy other sections.

Lauda's logic is if that you make 2 post in one week and the posts are in the same section, you will be banned

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Quote from: Lauda on December 01, 2016, 08:13:05 AM

Quote from: Ivanech on December 01, 2016, 08:10:24 AM

The problem was in Bitmixer signature campaign management. The rules are

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- Excluded sections: Off-topic / Games and rounds / Alternate cryptocurrencies / Indonesian/ Meta* and this thread.

However, a two weeks ago they kicked-out all russain speaking members without any prior notice (this is against Bitmixer original rule). There are too many complains about Bitmixer management in our local section.

There is no problem in management. The problem is that you 'Russians' and any other local section spammers that have been blacklisted are unable to read:

Quote

- You must post in multiple sections of the forum during your participation/week (if higher post count). People who make posts in short bursts will be permanently banned!

FYI (in case that you're confused) Russian section counts as '1' section (regardless of those sub-boards.

Your campaing - your rules, of course.

As for me, I was on vacation posting on forum (it is not against your rules due to no minimum weekly posts required). And then after I return to the forum you treated the small amount of local posts as a "spam" before I have a chance to enjoy other sections.

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Quote from: Ivanech on December 01, 2016, 08:10:24 AM

The problem was in Bitmixer signature campaign management. The rules are

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- Excluded sections: Off-topic / Games and rounds / Alternate cryptocurrencies / Indonesian/ Meta* and this thread.

However, a two weeks ago they kicked-out all russain speaking members without any prior notice (this is against Bitmixer original rule). There are too many complains about Bitmixer management in our local section.

There is no problem in management. The problem is that you 'Russians' and any other local section spammers that have been blacklisted are unable to read:

Quote

- You must post in multiple sections of the forum during your participation/week (if higher post count). People who make posts in short bursts will be permanently banned!

FYI (in case that you're confused) Russian section counts as '1' section (regardless of those sub-boards).

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The problem was in Bitmixer signature campaign management. The rules are

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- Excluded sections: Off-topic / Games and rounds / Alternate cryptocurrencies / Indonesian/ Meta* and this thread.

However, a two weeks ago they kicked-out all russain speaking members without any prior notice (this is against Bitmixer original rule). There are too many complains about Bitmixer management in our local section.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on December 01, 2016, 07:54:00 AM

How about you do some research 1st before throwing my name out there or Lutpin who hasnt even published a list yet.

It seems me being OP and having the first reply, thus taking care of updates and the combinated list, makes it "my list".

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IMHO blatantly constantly breaking signature campaign rules also warrants a place on the blacklist, even if your posts are not that bad. I have split my initial blacklist into two because of this though.

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Quote from: Ivanech on December 01, 2016, 07:29:51 AM

Hi guys, Lutpin and yahoo especially.

I do not know what is a reason I found my name in your lists. I suppose the only reason is my mainly activity in Local (Russian) forum sections. And other reason is that you don't understand any word on languages other then English and then totally supposing all the non-english posts as a "spam".

Next time you start a witch hunting, be more reasonable.

How about you do some research 1st before throwing my name out there or Lutpin who hasnt even published a list yet.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-bitmixerio-signature-campaign-1657397

Your name was added to the list by Lauda in fact. And its in the mainly posts in local boards list. I just combined that list into the ban list and made 1 large list.

If im in need of a local poster(which i currently am for 1xbit and Xaurum) i will disregard the ban list in some cases. Im not ruling out local posters unless youre just posting little 5 word sentences in your whole post history

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Hi guys, Lutpin and yahoo especially.

I do not know what is a reason I found my name in your lists. I suppose the only reason is my mainly activity in Local (Russian) forum sections. And other reason is that you don't understand any word on languages other then English and then totally supposing all the non-english posts as a "spam".

Next time you start a witch hunting, be more reasonable.

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on November 30, 2016, 01:32:32 PM

Ofcourse you would be of the impression that i am being biased

No, that's not what I said. You are introducing bias via that personal dispute into potential future decisions by managers. Where there is potential for bias, there are 10 butthurt alts [1] waiting to cry about unfairness, power abuse, et al.

[1] - I'm not trying to imply that you are going to do this, but you get my point.

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Quote from: Lauda on November 30, 2016, 03:19:48 AM

Quote from: Gunthar on November 29, 2016, 09:51:40 PM

@Lutpin, Lauda, Yahoo:
do you really guys have all this time to mess with these butthurted shills? This is the time when i wish a topic was self moderated uh...
~Gun

You can't create a self-moderated thread in Meta. If these time-wasting activities continue by either butthurt shills, then a new thread in another section may be required.

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on November 30, 2016, 12:02:04 AM

-snip-

You're inciting subjective bias here, and it would be hard to objectively kick you from a campaign now (should there be a need). Stop flooding SMAS with personal issues regarding Lutpin's involvement in Betcoin/Ognasty situation.

~snip~

Ofcourse you would be of the impression that i am being biased

edit: and ofcourse you are free to kick me from the campaign or ban me from the forum if you want

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Quote from: Gunthar on November 29, 2016, 09:51:40 PM

@Lutpin, Lauda, Yahoo:
do you really guys have all this time to mess with these butthurted shills? This is the time when i wish a topic was self moderated uh...
~Gun

You can't create a self-moderated thread in Meta. If these time-wasting activities continue by either butthurt shills, then a new thread in another section may be required.

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on November 30, 2016, 12:02:04 AM

-snip-

You're inciting subjective bias here, and it would be hard to objectively kick you from a campaign now (should there be a need). Stop flooding SMAS with personal issues regarding Lutpin's involvement in Betcoin/Ognasty situation.

Quote from: yahoo62278 on November 29, 2016, 10:58:43 PM

Quote from: lexuz on November 29, 2016, 09:16:50 AM

3. selected who can join the signature campaign or easy for you give priority to your friends to join in sig campaigns.

Im really only concerned with opinion #3 here. I currently manage 9 signature campaigns. Of those 9 campaigns i have 461 positions. Of that 461 positions only 236 positions are filled. That leaves 225 openings in the campaigns im currently managing.I need to get me alot more friends if i want to fill these completely up.

In all seriousness i dont think 1 single manager is giving priority to their "friends". I cannot confirm that from lutpin or lauda but im sure they have no problem allowing you to look over the spreadsheets and see the list of participants. I know i personally obviously have alot of open spots so im not giving priority to anyone.

The conspiracy theories are absurd at best. There are over 100 free spots in Bitmixer. I'd require a ton of friends as well. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on November 29, 2016, 11:31:05 PM

Quote from: Lutpin on November 29, 2016, 11:22:02 PM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on November 29, 2016, 11:16:33 PM

lemmi just paste what the definition of a threat is real quick

Code:

a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

I wanted to a) warn the users in that campaign of what I considered doing and b) gain opinions from other DT users about how to proceed.
Leaving negative feedback for scams or advertising scams isn't a "hostile action". It's a concequence of what the user in question did themselves.

One hiccup doesnt make an entire company a scam and im sure that if you were to leave all the members of their campaign negative feedback, there would be some users who didnt even know about the jackpot thing

One hiccup? Do some research man.

Let's talk hypothetically though so this doesn't turn into Betcoin debate.

What do you (YPIInvalid) suggest the most appropriate way to handle an unethical business, running a signature campaign on this forum. This business hasn't always had a negative reputation, and the signature campaign is one of the highest paying and has been running for about a year.

What's the right thing to do?

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