While this might work efficiently for PC/laptops/desktops, the case is different when it comes to iPads/notepads/mobile devices. You still get to scroll manually to where you need be.
If you are using a mobile device, a fast swipe upwards will get you to the bottom of the page very quickly. A quick swipe downwards gets you back up to the top of the page. Considering that the posting and quoting experience on a mobile device isn't user-friendly and that's what you are supposed to use it for most of the time, these two buttons being at the top or the bottom of the page won't make things any better. 
Topic: SMF patch, to display unlock at the top. Can it be done? (Read 503 times)
In addition, browser on such device usually show scroll bar. You can use it (which appear when you begin to scroll down/up) to scroll down to bottom or top of page instantly.
Image source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dcrs-jI0fY
Didn’t want to dwell on this but, the scroller here works in a couple of ways, haven’t really taken notes if it were to be browser specific but, my observation about it has always been about the page in which is been reviewed. I almost thought that was an example of the forum right there but as it’s not, the most that I’ve observed about this scroller function is that, it tends to apply when your looking at a very long page. Perhaps I would test it on some other wall of test thread on the forum with a lot of comments on it and see how it turns out.Image source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dcrs-jI0fY
What mainly applies to this scroller on mobile device is barely an indication of how deep into the page you’ve been. More like a pointer to how far you’ve come and where the page ends, using your screen to ratio the content.
Personally, having the move topic button at the top is something I really missed when dealing with lots of threads to be moved (such as when a new section was created). At one point I wanted to create a user script to copy the button but luckily moving threads in bulk doesn't happen everyday - not trying to find an excuse 
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It's something I would likely personally use, though in some cases I justify scrolling to the bottom to get more context regarding where/if to move the thread - not trying to find a second excuse.
As I think it was mentioned earlier, having the move button at the top would help users move their own threads when possible/needed.
.It's something I would likely personally use, though in some cases I justify scrolling to the bottom to get more context regarding where/if to move the thread - not trying to find a second excuse
.As I think it was mentioned earlier, having the move button at the top would help users move their own threads when possible/needed.
Well... I surrender...
PowerGlove, I think you have the missing click here to do what you do best.
These buttons will also only appear to the OP or moderators. Let us get used to it.
I'd be more intrigued if "previous" and "next" were replaced by the title of that topic.
That's a cool idea.PowerGlove, when I raised this idea, I did not know that coding & testing it can take too much time like several days.
Please don't let that stop you from suggesting things in the future! I enjoy programming and solving little problems (including ones that seem too small to bother with).To be clear, I'm not trying to avoid work (like I said, I enjoy working on the forum and I personally think your suggestion was a good one, which led to other good ideas, too). I'm just trying to avoid pointless work (pointless in the sense that theymos won't actually add the patch). If theymos contributes his (positive) thoughts to this topic, or if Cyrus does the same, or if one of the experienced mods chime in with support for the idea, then I'll happily plug in my Model M (so to speak) and supply the diff(s).
Personally, having the move topic button at the top is something I really missed when dealing with lots of threads to be moved (such as when a new section was created). At one point I wanted to create a user script to copy the button but luckily moving threads in bulk doesn't happen everyday - not trying to find an excuse
.It's something I would likely personally use, though in some cases I justify scrolling to the bottom to get more context regarding where/if to move the thread - not trying to find a second excuse
.As I think it was mentioned earlier, having the move button at the top would help users move their own threads when possible/needed.
Nobody is unlocking locked topics all the time, so I wouldn't waste time on this, but if OP really wants this than he can work on some scripts instead of changing location of buttons (or duplicating them) for everyone else in the forum.
PowerGlove, when I raised this idea, I did not know that coding & testing it can take too much time like several days.
Please don't let that stop you from suggesting things in the future! I enjoy programming and solving little problems (including ones that seem too small to bother with).To be clear, I'm not trying to avoid work (like I said, I enjoy working on the forum and I personally think your suggestion was a good one, which led to other good ideas, too). I'm just trying to avoid pointless work (pointless in the sense that theymos won't actually add the patch). If theymos contributes his (positive) thoughts to this topic, or if Cyrus does the same, or if one of the experienced mods chime in with support for the idea, then I'll happily plug in my Model M (so to speak) and supply the diff(s).
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In a browser, yes (and I did not know that). But while editing text (like now), End means end of line, while CTRL-End means end of text.
Yeap I said for the browser 
if you didn't know that try it out (I think you have already tried it out 
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In a browser, yes (and I did not know that). But while editing text (like now), End means end of line, while CTRL-End means end of text.
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due to the amount of images that it had I had to scroll for a while before I reached those options.
Press CTRL-End.
Therefore, I asked what would be placed in that place (apart from those buttons)?
This is the point of discussion by which we can come from one idea to another. I did not notice on "previous/ next topic" but this discussion helped me and some others realized that these things are very barely used. So replacing them with "less barely used" things like in my proposal looks better.And by this discussion, we are opened to raise other proposals, for other things as replacements, beyond my original proposal.
PowerGlove, when I raised this idea, I did not know that coding & testing it can take too much time like several days. If so, I don't think it's necessary to spend time on it. You can enjoy your time with margaritas on beach or else where.
Re-read the topic, start-to-finish, I'm not summarizing it for you...
Okay fine, I'll summarize it.
OP wants some buttons that are currently displayed only at the bottom of the page to be displayed at the top, too. I'm saying that those buttons could be duplicated and then moved to the areas (top and bottom) currently occupied by the previous/next topic links (which are conveniently near to the other topic-related buttons). That way, the layout would remain similar, and something that probably almost never gets used is replaced with something that does get used, and, as a bonus, all the topic-related actions would then be in one logical group (like in the second image from this post). You're saying that the two groups of buttons are far apart from each other for a good reason, and that they shouldn't be close together (at least, that's my impression of what you're saying).
Okay fine, I'll summarize it.
OP wants some buttons that are currently displayed only at the bottom of the page to be displayed at the top, too. I'm saying that those buttons could be duplicated and then moved to the areas (top and bottom) currently occupied by the previous/next topic links (which are conveniently near to the other topic-related buttons). That way, the layout would remain similar, and something that probably almost never gets used is replaced with something that does get used, and, as a bonus, all the topic-related actions would then be in one logical group (like in the second image from this post). You're saying that the two groups of buttons are far apart from each other for a good reason, and that they shouldn't be close together (at least, that's my impression of what you're saying).
I didn't need to summarize it. But thanks. This helps everyone.
Yes, I don't agree that some of these buttons are together especially at the top of the page.
But, as the php command must be the same for both locations, I don't think it is appropriate to have these buttons in this location (especially at the top).
Therefore, I asked what would be placed in that place (apart from those buttons)?
I didn't even notice, respond to or argue with the suggestion.
But what was in that place?
Re-read the topic, start-to-finish, I'm not summarizing it for you...Okay fine, I'll summarize it.
OP wants some buttons that are currently displayed only at the bottom of the page to be displayed at the top, too. I'm saying that those buttons could be duplicated and then moved to the areas (top and bottom) currently occupied by the previous/next topic links (which are conveniently near to the other topic-related buttons). That way, the layout would remain similar, and something that probably almost never gets used is replaced with something that does get used, and, as a bonus, all the topic-related actions would then be in one logical group (like in the second image from this post). You're saying that the two groups of buttons are far apart from each other for a good reason, and that they shouldn't be close together (at least, that's my impression of what you're saying).
Anyway, you've spent three posts in this topic essentially making the same point. You've been heard. 
I didn't even notice, respond to or argue with the suggestion.
Why put something that is used so little in such a prominent place?
I mean, we're talking (at least, I am) about replacing something that's really rarely used with something that's rarely used. Second, even though there is a confirmation alert, you are aware that it is risky to have this button so exposed.
Yeah, but, that's only true in principle. (With your particular "factory reset" example, I agree that it's true in practice, too, but that's more of a point-making extreme than any kind of analog for what's being discussed here.)Yes, it was a somewhat extreme example without a doubt. And clicking errors will always exist, no matter where the buttons are.
Now I agree that an adjustment could be made to these buttons that no one uses these days. These "previous/next" buttons no longer make any sense.
But what was in that place?
Why put something that is used so little in such a prominent place?
I mean, we're talking (at least, I am) about replacing something that's really rarely used with something that's rarely used. Second, even though there is a confirmation alert, you are aware that it is risky to have this button so exposed.
Yeah, but, that's only true in principle. (With your particular "factory reset" example, I agree that it's true in practice, too, but that's more of a point-making extreme than any kind of analog for what's being discussed here.)Personally, I think all the topic-related actions should be together (though, like I've said before, I don't feel strongly enough about it to write a patch for that unless/until I see more support for that point of view from other users). I don't buy the argument that the rate of mistakes will go up, in fact, I'm pretty certain that it'll remain the same or even go down for ordinary users (I'm sure I've run into reports before of topics being accidentally locked, and that's probably because mobile users sometimes hit the $mod_buttons area without meaning to).
Anyway, you've spent three posts in this topic essentially making the same point. You've been heard.
@LoyceV I don't know what the advantage would be of having the topic name there.
That way, someone may actually use it. If it's up to me, the whole "previous/next" thing can just as well be removed.Quote
Have you placed a "factory reset" button on your smartphone on the display?
No, but now you make me want to do this What's really going to get to me, is that it's gone again after I click it.... Imagine a moderator accidentally deleting a topic? Can you see how easy it is to click Delete Topic instead of Reply?
There is confirmation message box, I believe for either a normal user to delete a post or moderators to delete a post or a thread.But this is not simplifying the user experience.
Have you placed a "factory reset" button on your smartphone on the display? I do not think so. Why? Firstly because it's not something you do often. Second, even though there is a confirmation alert, you are aware that it is risky to have this button so exposed.
The point is this:
Regarding the topic, it is very uncommon for someone to need to use either of the buttons the OP is asking to be moved. If implemented, the moved buttons would be in a fairly prominent location.
Why put something that is used so little in such a prominent place?
You can use this location to place more relevant and useful information for daily use.
@LoyceV I don't know what the advantage would be of having the topic name there.
(...) listing things for PowerGlove to do instead of sipping margaritas on the beach (...)
Ha! If only...
These days, one way or another, I'm always working on forum things (either big patches that take a long time to complete, or dinky little micro-improvements that I can finish relatively quickly, or behind-the-scenes work that I'm not at liberty to discuss). When I'm not doing that, I'm either sleeping, showering, pretending to exercise, taking the dog for a walk, or sat in front of the TV playing games. Occasionally, you'll catch me standing around in my underpants and eating a bag of chips.
(It's only thanks to Mrs. PowerGlove that I can ignore the various things I've learned other human beings have to contend with, like "cooking" and "cleaning" and whatnot.)
I'd be more intrigued if "previous" and "next" were replaced by the title of that topic.
That's a cool idea. I think I prefer the idea of using that space for $mod_buttons, but, I don't feel strongly about it; unless theymos or Cyrus share their opinion (or this topic arrives at some kind of consensus without them), then I'm unlikely to pursue any of what's been discussed so far... Even these really small patches basically take 2 or 3 days to complete (I mean, it usually only takes a few hours to get something kind of working, but then it takes a lot of testing, thinking, and refining before things settle into a form that I feel comfortable calling "done"). I did not use them too and they are useless in my opinion as a next or previous topic is unknown
Since we're Some people have neither the CTRL key nor the "END" key on their keyboard.
Regarding the topic, it is very uncommon for someone to need to use either of the buttons the OP is asking to be moved. If implemented, the moved buttons would be in a fairly prominent location.
You can use Ctrl+Up or Down arrow; or Ctrl+Page Up or Ctrl+Page Down alternatively too. I forgot about these when I opened the thread and thank you LoyceV for reminding me. I really don't know any computer or laptop does not have such key on its keyboard.Regarding the topic, it is very uncommon for someone to need to use either of the buttons the OP is asking to be moved. If implemented, the moved buttons would be in a fairly prominent location.
Anyway I still stick with the proposal, if can be deployed, it is helpful to save time, when keyboard is broken at specific keys or with some situations, inconvenience described by PowerGlove.
I've never used them. Even if just bored, I prefer to read the titles in the list and choose from there.
I did not use them too and they are useless in my opinion as a next or previous topic is unknown, and it can be a one-line thread, no value at all.Imagine a moderator accidentally deleting a topic? Can you see how easy it is to click Delete Topic instead of Reply?
There is confirmation message box, I believe for either a normal user to delete a post or moderators to delete a post or a thread. Press CTRL-End.
Some people have neither the CTRL key nor the "END" key on their keyboard. They can use an On-Screen Keyboard in that case.
It's available in the Windows operating system, not sure about others though.I'm just kidding, I know it's more convenient to simply scroll down than to open an on-screen keyboard and press the buttons to reach the end of the page.
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