Topic: So do Bitcoiners actually claim the foundation wasn't infiltrated? (Read 2880 times)

Hope it doesn't play a fiddle.

No need to worry because  the foundation has Gavin on the payroll so what could go wrong.....wait just a sec

Basically I wouldn't be worried about some conspiracy. I'd be more worried if the developers represent corporate interests and are controlling development. There's a lot of deep difficult decisions in the code where it's not clear one path or another. If your agenda is even slightly corrupted then you will take the small decisions to benefit corporations over the black market/small businesses/p2p transfers. Corruption is not one big thing but many small decisions. Take the payments protocol as an example which uses CAs- it doesn't benefit small businesses, p2p transfers or the black market only corporations to reduce payment friction for them. That's why it's important to support alternative implementations that give a voice to empower different segments of the community as part of the development process.

Anyone interested in alternatives should check out what we're doing with darkwallet - we have our own alternative & full stack of BTC software: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unsystem-projects-libbitcoin-darkwallet-developer-tools-and-video-interviews-372390

My point exactly, at least do a false flag Bitcoin terrorist attack like 9/11 then proceed with your propaganda.

Actually, the silkroad guy tried to get people whacked twice.  Both times, he was actually scammed (first time by the feds, second time by random people who were in cahoots with the target)

Bullshit.

Pretty sure the CIA sells drugs in the US to fund their endless wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking

and

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/about.shtml

Your economic hit man worked for private companies. Not the CIA. And some people seem to forget that the CIA does not operate in the USA. They collect foreign intelligence. Intelligence on terrorism or other criminal activity is handled by the FBI inside the U.S.
Now, the CIA might launch an economic attack on a foreign army, for example. They might lock up their bank accounts, print counterfeit money to crash an enemy's economy.  That, and bombs, are how you win a war.
The problem with these claims about the CIA destroying bitcoin is that they make no sense. Show me a motive. The CIA has very smart people who do not do things for no reason. What is the smart reason for doing this?
   

I support your message fellow intellectual.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4

Most of these agencies seem to have a thirst for intelligence & information of their own citizens as well as other countries, it seems unlikely that they would support an innovation like Bitcoin that could be used to protect citizens worldwide against their information gathering  techniques and make their jobs harder.

Bitcoin also lends a big hand in educating people about encryption and how to protect your privacy online… these things I cannot see agencies like this being happy with, they would much rather people know nothing about how to protect their privacy online.

But does not being happy with something necessarily mean you are an all out enemy of it?  

My personal feeling would be, if we are taking about the CIA, yes, they would want to neutralize or mitigate the success of any threat to their intelligence gathering techniques. Or, at least ensure they have their own ways of gathering the intelligence they want within the Bitcoin world.

So I guess I can understand where these thoughts come from.

It really is amazing how ignorant most of you are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man



Wars happen for a reason.  They aren't just fucking random acts for the purpose of consuming armaments.

When government agents openly claim that using alternative currencies is "domestic terrorism" and plan to "infiltrate, disrupt and dismantle" them, what the fuck do you people think that means, exactly?  Do you think that means regulators are your friends?

The influence corporate America has over all facets of the government is alarming. You'll get no argument from me about that. But their corruption is the profitable kind, that is their interest. A business cabal might lean on a Senator to manipulate a CIA report so that it is more favorable to their plans for contracts. That kind of thing makes sense, it's a greedy investment in future profits. I don't see many logical motives for the CIA's role in BTC and I see no real evidence to support the various theories that they created, or are destroying it.

It sound like you suspect the CIA is an enemy of BTC. We know they have some interest in it because they invited the chief scientist to come speak. That is not at all unusual, analysis of overseas payment networks is stock stuff and they are constantly hosting lectures on damn near everything. As for intelligence services being an enemy of humanity, by and large that may be true. All over the world countries use their services on their own people for corrupt reasons. By comparison with them, let alone with history, the corruption I am exposed to is little. Besides, if you want to go after the real enemy of humanity you must confront the master these entities serve. War.

  

https://opensource.conformal.com/wiki/btcd

I can't see myself agreeing to meet the CIA like Gavin did especially that early on, why would I want to meet with the enemies of Bitcoin let alone the enemies of humanity, intelligence agencies aren't above the game, they are still controlled by the same bankers and thus they are the same racketeers.

Is this seriously what MPOE-PR is implying?

No, not that. I'm saying they do have a legitimate reason for knowing about bitcoin. It does have national security implications. The CIA was also an early player on the internet as well. They could see that this was going to change spycraft. I think bitcoin will as well. They are not going to ignore something this big. Neither are the other intelligence services all over the world. Why pick the CIA instead of MOSAD or any others. They are all into bitcoin right now. Take your pick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_intelligence_agencies
 

Basically what you are saying is that although I'm right it still shouldn't prevent the corporate owned government from planting propaganda seeds in the cryptosoil in advance?


That's exactly what the bitch is saying...

Sorry but my english is a little bit rusty. Are you implying that everything above bitcoind 0.7 is not trustworthy?

I am with you bro! Right after 9/11 I knew that soon the term terrorist will be used for everything. Especially as a pretext, kinda like they use "kiddy porn" to scare people into giving up rights. But there are people who think like us in the CIA also. And they want to have some knowledge of bitcoin because, although rare, it may be used by an actual terror group. If that happens the CIA wants to be ahead of the curve and know what they are dealing with.
It is even conceivable that the CIA might use it themselves. A system that can be used to send money anonymously around the world is certainly going to be explored by all the world's covert services.

Governments keep talking about terrorists using BTC to finance an attack yet I have never seen a single murder being carried out with BTC let alone a sale of a weapon of mass destruction contrary to the thousands that happen with fiat.

When the perpetrator pays for a "hit" with BTC in advance it leaves little to no motive for the killer to actually carry it out, if the killer murders someone in advance it leaves little to no motive for the perpetrator to pay him using BTC, no one will create a marketplace for hits because it is immoral and would come with a hefty sentence for the owners when caught in addition to the market being non existent, due to this Mexican standof(ish) situation cryptocurrencies are an inefficient method for paying for anything order than weed to someone you don't personally know. Most current Bitcoin "killers" will ask the perpetrator to pay a traveling fee in advance and then happily disappear after, I call this the "stupidity tax".

Where will you find a person bad enough to be escrow?

All terrorist attacks and hits are carried out using paper fiat in person, furthermore it is incredibly easy for terrorist organizations to acquire weapons via SOFEX, one of the countless freelancers working for the government or even the corrupt generals who have been armed by the U.S. in Pakistan and still continue to do Chae boys up the butt.

The claim that they are investigating Bitcoin because it could be used by terrorists to finance an attack instead of corporate interests is the equivalent of me violating your privacy and spying on you 24/7 to check for the boogeyman under your bed. Every time a government uses this misleading euphemism we can safely establish that it is corrupt and seeking to eliminate the competition of the very people financing them. The spread of anti-terrorism is nothing more but propaganda to strip you of your liberty.