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Quote from: WillyAp on August 17, 2024, 04:15:23 PM

Quote from: iv4n on August 17, 2024, 02:08:05 PM

I would like to see the dollar collapse, as well as all other fiat currencies.

As if crypto is clean as baby's behind.
It won't happen, a quite large % or crypto lover hate FIAT, forgetting that Crypto without FIAT would not even exist.
Bitcoin was created to enable value transfers from P to P. Not to replace FIAT.

First of all, crypto would not exist without the technology that enables crypto to do what it does. It has nothing to do with FIAT currencies, it is simply an evolution and moving on... Crypto is being used for many good & bad things, it's up to people how they will use it. The same is works for fiat, but you need to think about how Bitcoin is created, who controls it, why it's an "open ledger", and other stuff. Compare that with fiat currencies and maybe you will understand why fiat is corrupt to the bones. With crypto and a lot more transparency things can be a lot different.

Quote from: WillyAp on August 17, 2024, 04:15:23 PM

Bitcoin was created to enable value transfers from P to P. Not to replace FIAT.

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Quote from: Shortmaster on July 31, 2024, 08:19:39 AM

I keep seeing on Youtube and from experts the dooms day for USA and dollar ?

Which channels and which experts?

Because a lot of that content is just rage-baiting to rake in Youtube advertising money.

(the dollar is pretty shit though, it keeps inflating making everything more expensive, even fast food.)

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Quote from: DiMarxist on August 17, 2024, 04:49:20 PM

Dollar is a fiat to a country so if dollar collapsed, it will affect the citizens of that country and internationally, it will affect many businesses but those countries that are forced to accept dollar for exchange purpose will be liberated. And free trade might be implemented in the African continent. And African countries will be free from the neo-colonialism.
I only know that, dollar was down in the 20s and not now. As we speak dollar is the number one strongest currency in the world.

For now, the dollar itself is still quite strong and is still used in international trade and by several countries so it cannot be considered to have fallen. However, if we look at the possibilities, it is still very open because several countries at this time have also begun to dislike the dollar and prefer their own country's currency. In addition, if in the future there can be more countries to free themselves from dependence on the dollar, it could have an impact on the fall of the dollar itself. Because now gold and Bitcoin are seen as important and quite valuable assets that could make most countries conduct their trade transactions using gold and Bitcoin.

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Quote from: DiMarxist on August 17, 2024, 04:49:20 PM

Dollar is a fiat to a country so if dollar collapsed, it will affect the citizens of that country and internationally, it will affect many businesses but those countries that are forced to accept dollar for exchange purpose will be liberated. And free trade might be implemented in the African continent. And African countries will be free from the neo-colonialism.
I only know that, dollar was down in the 20s and not now. As we speak dollar is the number one strongest currency in the world.

One simple question - who or what is now “forcing African countries to use the US dollar” ?

But honestly - list the names, organizations, etc. who is forcing them to do so?
During my life I visited several African countries in the period from 200 to 2016, and communicated with local businessmen and people, so they told me that they do not suffer from the dollar, but suffer from corruption, corrupt officials and the “alliance” of local authorities and corrupt international organizations like the Red Cross and the UN, which do not allow, for example, to develop the agricultural sector and attract investment in these countries, because in this case the global system of plundering funds in the form of the program “aid to African countries” will collapse. Don't you want to talk about that?

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Quote from: Shortmaster on July 31, 2024, 08:19:39 AM

When dollar collapse ?

I keep seeing on Youtube and from experts the dooms day for USA and dollar ?
Actually dollar collapse means weak dollar and its not bad thing it means lower rates of fed so it's good for economic boost.

But i ask when the dollar colllapse lol? They keep telling us how bad is the dollar and so much doom and gloom.
So are we really see dollar collapse ? And when ?

It's grazy how much everybody talking about end of usa and dollar...it sounds funny also.

Those YouTube videos use their doomsday suggestions/projections merely to get your attention and to give them the views they need to increase their follower count. Cool

The U.S. Dollar may be declining, but there won't be a "collapse". I believe that it will merely be a slow transition to another Global Reserve Currency. It won't be China's Yuan in its current form, when its liquidity, investability, and spendability is not as good as the U.S. Dollar.

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Quote from: DrBeer on August 17, 2024, 01:58:23 PM

Quote from: Shortmaster on July 31, 2024, 08:19:39 AM

When dollar collapse ?
I keep seeing on Youtube and from experts the dooms day for USA and dollar ?
Actually dollar collapse means weak dollar and its not bad thing it means lower rates of fed so it's good for economic boost.
But i ask when the dollar colllapse lol? They keep telling us how bad is the dollar and so much doom and gloom.
So are we really see dollar collapse ? And when ?
It's grazy how much everybody talking about end of usa and dollar...it sounds funny also.

I was born in the time of the USSR

Since my childhood before the collapse of this anti-human education I heard “the dollar is worthless, the collapse of the dollar is inevitable, tomorrow the dollar will collapse,...” and so on mental perversions

The USSR collapsed, the Warsaw Pact alliance collapsed. The economies of countries that set the destruction of the dollar as the goal of their lives, and at the cost of the lives of their citizens, are collapsing. But... The dollar, with all the nuances continues to live and is considered a demanded currency. By the way, all totalitarian rulers “fighting the USA” keep their savings in the dollar

This is from practice.
Now a question from theory - have you calculated what will happen to the world economy in the “collapse of the dollar” ? Do you really dream about it ? Honestly ?

It cannot be denied that the USD is still very strong and it is difficult for any currency to usurp its throne in the near future. But have you ever learned about the history of world currencies and how many currencies dominated the world before the USD dominated the world? If I remember correctly, before USD, we had 5 different kings who took turns ruling before USD appeared. That shows us that nothing lasts forever and USD is no exception. Maybe it won't happen in our time, but certainly in the future, history will repeat itself again, the USD will be surpassed by another currency.

Like bitcoin, no government ever thought the world would have a decentralized currency created that was not controlled by them. But what now? They have to accept the fact that things they thought would never happen are happening. Don't claim anything in the future when you are not from the future.

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Dollar is a fiat to a country so if dollar collapsed, it will affect the citizens of that country and internationally, it will affect many businesses but those countries that are forced to accept dollar for exchange purpose will be liberated. And free trade might be implemented in the African continent. And African countries will be free from the neo-colonialism.
I only know that, dollar was down in the 20s and not now. As we speak dollar is the number one strongest currency in the world.

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Quote from: iv4n on August 17, 2024, 02:08:05 PM

I would like to see the dollar collapse, as well as all other fiat currencies.

As if crypto is clean as baby's behind.
It won't happen, a quite large % or crypto lover hate FIAT, forgetting that Crypto without FIAT would not even exist.
Bitcoin was created to enable value transfers from P to P. Not to replace FIAT.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on August 17, 2024, 04:50:51 AM

Quote from: Shortmaster on July 31, 2024, 08:19:39 AM

When dollar collapse ?
I keep seeing on Youtube and from experts the dooms day for USA and dollar ?
Actually dollar collapse means weak dollar and its not bad thing it means lower rates of fed so it's good for economic boost.
But i ask when the dollar colllapse lol? They keep telling us how bad is the dollar and so much doom and gloom.
So are we really see dollar collapse ? And when ?
It's grazy how much everybody talking about end of usa and dollar...it sounds funny also.

Dollar collapse? I can't necessarily believe that but yes I know nothing is permanent and in as much as change is a constant thing, definitely yes the US dollars can as well fall on a lower rate which will be favourable to the markets and other sector too.

cause from the look of things I think the US dollars has a very high dominance over other currencies in the World today which makes them as a Hero,but having it collapse anytime soon will be helpful cause it will lead to productivity in other currencies like fiat currencies too.But like I said it's really unimaginable that there would be an insurgency of dollar collapse.

If you look at the history of everything that reaches the peak of its glory will inevitably collapse too, as before the Poundsterling or others such as the VOC and or the Otoman dynasty and others who once ruled the world they experienced a decline, just as you revealed that nothing is forever in this world, there must be a point of destruction, and as we believe the world is rotating and taking turns.

So with the Dollar or the US which is a superpower in this world, influencing most of the world with its dollar, and surely they will also lose their throne, and I also quite believe that when such things happen there is always a rebellion or a big war to replace power.

It sounds like a conspiracy but history always repeats itself.

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Quote from: Shortmaster on July 31, 2024, 08:19:39 AM

I keep seeing on Youtube and from experts...

There are good, beautiful, and smart things on YouTube, how did you end up watching some "self-proclaimed" expert out of all that?

I would like to see the dollar collapse, as well as all other fiat currencies. They are all the same, centralized schemes of politicians, bankers, and already too many rich individuals. This world, and we together with it, will not see better days as long as their rule lasts. These people are not interested in people and nature, they only care about more profit and how to become even richer.

Never a dirtier and more polluted world, never more poor and hungry people, wars everywhere... but they keep talking about how everything is fine and how it will get even better. We are being fucked in the brain, but it's obvious that most people aren't even aware of it.

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Quote from: Shortmaster on July 31, 2024, 08:19:39 AM

When dollar collapse ?
I keep seeing on Youtube and from experts the dooms day for USA and dollar ?
Actually dollar collapse means weak dollar and its not bad thing it means lower rates of fed so it's good for economic boost.
But i ask when the dollar colllapse lol? They keep telling us how bad is the dollar and so much doom and gloom.
So are we really see dollar collapse ? And when ?
It's grazy how much everybody talking about end of usa and dollar...it sounds funny also.

I was born in the time of the USSR

Since my childhood before the collapse of this anti-human education I heard “the dollar is worthless, the collapse of the dollar is inevitable, tomorrow the dollar will collapse,...” and so on mental perversions

The USSR collapsed, the Warsaw Pact alliance collapsed. The economies of countries that set the destruction of the dollar as the goal of their lives, and at the cost of the lives of their citizens, are collapsing. But... The dollar, with all the nuances continues to live and is considered a demanded currency. By the way, all totalitarian rulers “fighting the USA” keep their savings in the dollar

This is from practice.
Now a question from theory - have you calculated what will happen to the world economy in the “collapse of the dollar” ? Do you really dream about it ? Honestly ?

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on August 15, 2024, 01:42:12 PM

The US Dollar will not collapse... at least not in my lifetime. The US Dollar has been the world's reserved currency for more than a century already, and right now, it's still far from collapsing.

Although the Chinese government and the whole BRICS are doing what they can to detach themselves in using the US Dollar, more than 80% of the total countries are still using it, and this amount is still way higher compared to the other currencies combined. The videos that you're watching are either anti-dollar (which is a weird term coming from me), or... I don't know they maybe just creating the video for the sake of content only. Right now, what the BRICS are doing has little to no effect towards the USD, and although I expect them to continue for the next years and decades, it will take time. De-dollarization is taking place already, but in a slow pace.

Will we see the Dollar collapsing? There might be a time in the future that it will collapse, but I don't know when it will happen. One thing's for sure though, it will not happen in my lifetime, or even in my generation.

If you look at the history of the world economy, it becomes clear that no state could dominate forever, there was always a moment when the player changed, I think that this trend will play out in the future, but if the dollar collapses, then I think it will happen last, and first all other national currencies will experience an even greater fall than the dollar, so if it makes sense to keep savings in fiat currency, then only in dollars, and perhaps a little in euros, but they will lose to bitcoin, due to inflation.

Quote from: STT on August 11, 2024, 06:29:56 PM

If there is a negative outcome for the Yen with its 30 year old QE programs, if FED failed USA with its endless QE then its also true Euro will be cursed with this debt till it fails. What began with one of the strongest banks in the world, west Germany for years has issued premium debt due to good governance has now switched to bail outs for Greece and corruption across Europe, the worst debt was bought to back Euro.

This all was done on purpose, Euro would have risen strongly vs dollar long ago otherwise. Its part of what makes the working wage so weak now and 2 people can barely pay the household bills in many families its a struggle even while full time employed.

Don't think that I am a conspiracy theorist or anything like that, but I see it as a coordinated action to keep the population at a certain level, when their income will be just enough to provide for basic needs.

Governments do not want the population to become wealthy, it is easier to control them, and if the population is in debt in large enough numbers, then it is even better, because they live in liabilities. I also thought that the euro should be stronger than the dollar, but this is not allowed to happen, and perhaps it will not change in the future, or the difference will be too insignificant.

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Quote from: WillyAp on August 14, 2024, 08:32:10 AM

Quite a lot of people believe that a state is like a small timer business.
A state is a layered creation which has quite some time to grow.
Especially in the states, where the government has developed a symbiotic relationship with the economy.

What can be developed and can be an income will continue to be done by each country because the economic relationship that can benefit both parties is not a small enough business because a small business is just a business that does not have a large enough income. Now almost all countries are struggling to keep their own currency valuable and not dependent on other currencies, so there will be many unique possibilities that can occur in the world economy in the future. And everyone must be ready for any changes that may occur.

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Quote from: Shortmaster on July 31, 2024, 08:19:39 AM

When dollar collapse ?
I keep seeing on Youtube and from experts the dooms day for USA and dollar ?
Actually dollar collapse means weak dollar and its not bad thing it means lower rates of fed so it's good for economic boost.
But i ask when the dollar colllapse lol? They keep telling us how bad is the dollar and so much doom and gloom.
So are we really see dollar collapse ? And when ?
It's grazy how much everybody talking about end of usa and dollar...it sounds funny also.

Dollar collapse? I can't necessarily believe that but yes I know nothing is permanent and in as much as change is a constant thing, definitely yes the US dollars can as well fall on a lower rate which will be favourable to the markets and other sector too.

cause from the look of things I think the US dollars has a very high dominance over other currencies in the World today which makes them as a Hero,but having it collapse anytime soon will be helpful cause it will lead to productivity in other currencies like fiat currencies too.But like I said it's really unimaginable that there would be an insurgency of dollar collapse.

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Quote from: Shortmaster on July 31, 2024, 08:19:39 AM

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Actually dollar collapse means weak dollar and its not bad thing it means lower rates of fed so it's good for economic boost.
But i ask when the dollar colllapse lol? They keep telling us how bad is the dollar and so much doom and gloom.
So are we really see dollar collapse ? And when ?
It's grazy how much everybody talking about end of usa and dollar...it sounds funny also.

The US Dollar will not collapse... at least not in my lifetime. The US Dollar has been the world's reserved currency for more than a century already, and right now, it's still far from collapsing.

Although the Chinese government and the whole BRICS are doing what they can to detach themselves in using the US Dollar, more than 80% of the total countries are still using it, and this amount is still way higher compared to the other currencies combined. The videos that you're watching are either anti-dollar (which is a weird term coming from me), or... I don't know they maybe just creating the video for the sake of content only. Right now, what the BRICS are doing has little to no effect towards the USD, and although I expect them to continue for the next years and decades, it will take time. De-dollarization is taking place already, but in a slow pace.

Will we see the Dollar collapsing? There might be a time in the future that it will collapse, but I don't know when it will happen. One thing's for sure though, it will not happen in my lifetime, or even in my generation.

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Quote from: justdimin on August 08, 2024, 05:55:51 AM

While I do agree that nothing will last forever, just because China is big, doesn't make them a formidable competition, because they are usually not good at it neither. Remember, that's a communist dictatorship, so fighting against a liberal capitalist nation would not be easy for them at all. One mistake from the ruler, and they are done and shitty, which did happen very recently with real estate issue, they spent insane amount of money on real estate to build the nation from ground up, but forgot that nobody has money to buy all that many houses, which caused them to have a ton of bankrupted hug companies.

Not that USA is great, I am not here to defend what USA is doing, I am not here to defend USD neither, any proper nation that is managed well would pass USD, that's not my point. I am just saying China is no better than USA when it comes to stupidity, they are equally stupid, but the problem with the world is that we have too many stupid people ruling every nation, when you look at presidents and dictators of many nations, you see that they are so bad that it looks as if they are intentionally ruining the nation, it would require wilful ignorance to be this bad and yet they are still doing it.

This is very true, I do agree that other nations are having trouble as well, the whole world is in trouble right now and poor people are becoming homeless and starving, while middle class is becoming poor. The main evil here is not the nations against each other, it's the leaders and the rich companies and corruption.

There is a good saying, I don't remember which nation it was for, but I will just use examples, the leaders of nation X and Y have more in common with each other than their citizens, and the citizens of nation X and Y have more in common with each other than their leaders. That is the most important thing you can read today and that is why I believe that we are going to have a ton of trouble if we think that our leaders have our best interest in our heart, and that is why I believe that we are going to make bad decisions if we end up with this. I think we need to consider the situation changing, so we need to consider that its leaders that are rich, and making our life worse.

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Quite a lot of people believe that a state is like a small timer business.
A state is a layered creation which has quite some time to grow.
Especially in the states, where the government has developed a symbiotic relationship with the economy.

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Quote from: Shortmaster on July 31, 2024, 08:19:39 AM

When dollar collapse ?
I keep seeing on Youtube and from experts the dooms day for USA and dollar ?
Actually dollar collapse means weak dollar and its not bad thing it means lower rates of fed so it's good for economic boost.
But i ask when the dollar colllapse lol? They keep telling us how bad is the dollar and so much doom and gloom.
So are we really see dollar collapse ? And when ?
It's grazy how much everybody talking about end of usa and dollar...it sounds funny also.

While there's enough stuff to go around to suppose that the dollar is collapsing, I think it's a little too early to say that it is collapsing and we are due for a recession, it's hanging by a thread don't get me wrong, but it's still pretty much hanging in there.

I don't think you'll like it when the dollar does collapse. With the way things are looking shit's gonna go down the sewer if the dollar does collapse, a lot of countries are reliant upon the international bank, which is actively funded in dollars, if that shit devalues, problems will ensue, not to mention efforts that countries opposing the US might make to try and annex US territories cause what can they do now when their own market's crashing?

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Quote from: South Park on August 11, 2024, 05:43:56 PM

Quote from: Shortmaster on July 31, 2024, 08:19:39 AM

When dollar collapse ?
I keep seeing on Youtube and from experts the dooms day for USA and dollar ?
Actually dollar collapse means weak dollar and its not bad thing it means lower rates of fed so it's good for economic boost.
But i ask when the dollar colllapse lol? They keep telling us how bad is the dollar and so much doom and gloom.
So are we really see dollar collapse ? And when ?
It's grazy how much everybody talking about end of usa and dollar...it sounds funny also.

The dollar has been collapsing as far as I remember and its demise has been foretold for decades, and while it is true that too much of it has been printed recently and the US government has too much debt, many other countries are in the same situation or even in a worse one, so the collapse of the US dollar seems to still be very far away, so if I were you I would concentrate on other things as I do not expect the dollar to collapse during the next decade.

People underestimate the people working from within the United States government and the Federal Reserve, as they were dumb people who cannot do anything right and each action they take only pushes the USD closer to its demise, though that is not completely what is going on.
The federal reserve know and it is aware there are some for of the United States seeking to undermine the perceived value of their correctly around the world and perhaps even replaced by some BRICS issued Fiat of some sort. The Fed is not stupid enough to allow all of it happen. While people are already talking on the future downfall of the USA dollar as a reserve currency around the world, the USA is secretly planing the counter offensive so they won't lose the hegemony of the Dollar.

My country used to be one of the most anti-USD in the hemisphere and ironically (after going through some economical crisis) the government itself and the people had not had other option but to adopt the USD for the daily life expenses and refuge for local inflation.

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Quote from: WillyAp on August 09, 2024, 03:03:17 PM

There is the Euro.
Still not much love lost there.

Euro is also due to crash. Reason being they followed the prompt to copy the actions of the Federal reserve and take on large amounts of QE style debt. Little of this makes sense or is especially legal when you consider some of the poorest people are paying to bail out some of the richest people who own the failing companies issuing this debt.

If there is a negative outcome for the Yen with its 30 year old QE programs, if FED failed USA with its endless QE then its also true Euro will be cursed with this debt till it fails. What began with one of the strongest banks in the world, west Germany for years has issued premium debt due to good governance has now switched to bail outs for Greece and corruption across Europe, the worst debt was bought to back Euro.

This all was done on purpose, Euro would have risen strongly vs dollar long ago otherwise. Its part of what makes the working wage so weak now and 2 people can barely pay the household bills in many families its a struggle even while full time employed.

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