Topic: So who the hell is still supporting BU? - page 18. (Read 29824 times)

Honey Badger really doesn't give a shit if some moon kidz want to characterize his activities as "stagnation."  Who made you his life coach?

Lightning tx are trustless.  They are not some idiotic trusted 3rd party solution like Dash's Masternodes.


A Lightning type payment channel is simply a write cache for the blockchain.

Do you know how much the write cache improves a hard drive's performance?  Try turning yours off and find out.

Why don't you moan about the presence of write caches on hard drives, and spew FUD about how output operations to the write cache aren't real "on disk" transactions!   

Especially liked the following comments.  

 

Bitcoins stagnation
https://medium.com/@p.g.tomlinson/bitcoins-stagnation-2098753b2e17#.6ou04fus8

Great article

since last year lauda and CB have been backing each other up. while turning a discussion about code and technicals into a victim card where they try to play the victim of (their last years special word ad-hom)

they both lack any ability to read technical details and prefer to poke the bear with personal attacks and then play a victim card when personal attacks get hit back at them.
at most they just display images handpicked to present as their 'promotional material' and repeat scripts everyone has heard 100 times before by other blockstream interns

its the same boring script they try every time.

i have personally given them many oppertunities to learn about bitcoin and learn the community HATE blockstream..
CB and lauda are not defending bitcoin they are defending blockstream. but try to make out anyone hating blockstream as people attacking bitcoin.
which is another failure of understanding by them

they really need to stop protecting the corporate centralists and actually learn about bitcoin.
yes i already know they are desperate unpaid interns trying desperately hard to be centralist loyalists hoping to grab a few pennies of the corporate $90m investment.

but they need to wake up and care more about bitcoin and less about their own greedy needs that involve selling their morals.

its time they stop waving the victim card each day and start learning bitcoin.

bitcoin needs to be rid of blockstream and start thinking of diverse teams on an equal playing field of no control where only the NODES form the consensus followed by the pools forming consensus once they see nodes have consensus.

no dev-kings.. no need to be loyal to any dev, no need to get on your knees to devs.

nodes=managers
devs=employee's

not the other way round

LOL,
If CB has not called you a troll, then he was not talking to you.      

 

FYI:
Full Disclaimer, he has called me a Troll on Multiple Posts.  
(Once he can't win an argument, he sees Trolls everwhere.)

Disagreed. Whilst I most certainly not agree with all of their methods or approaches, the user is neither a troll nor is he trolling. It's unfortunate that this turned into a 'dispute', but it seems to be inevitable.

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Read back on my statement:

Refusing to do so usually makes you look like a troll or an idiot. Choose the one you like more.

Thanks to Troll CB I m able now to define exactly what SPAM is: Find out about users and their posts how often they used the word 'troll' or 'trolling' despite using the 'Report to moderator' feature.

I bet CB is top of this list. And yes - I used it today most frequent compared to all my posts...

Interesting that you bring the F word into it when I didn't.



You are trolling, plain and simple. And no-one's interested

You are delusional. I am not in team with franky, in fact I used to criticize him a few month back. But nice try.

And that's sssssso credible, after you and a fellow troll just tried to bury my post with.... a bunch of unsubstantiated propaganda

Thanks.

Also for the record, I don't support Bitcoin Unlimited. I find it an equally centralized project.

It is just so funny, but also sad, that everyone is trying to grab power. As soon as you leave a power vacuum, every fucker is just trying to grab as much power as they can.

This is the sad part of humanity.

Thankfully we still have a transparent node voting system, but it's only a question of time until it will be subverted, because one way or the other, bitcoin will become centralized, if the attitude of people doesn't change.

Thx - and this kind of critical thinking is absolutely needed in bitcoin and gladly (still?) possible here in bitcointalk - look at reddit/bitcoin where you can joke only in a closed environement - how boring!

I admit that I have no extensive technical knowledge on the subject.

But that doesn't mean that I cant ask questions or cant criticize things when I see a logical or methodical flaw in it.

My point was to defend against centralization, which is the core philosophy of bitcoin. If we abandon that, then the entire experiment is meaningless.

Stripping away core features, and introducing radical change, I believe is not in the best interest of the network, regardless of what the technical implementations are. What can I say, I am a conservative. I never see "change" as a good thing.

If the roadmap stinks, then no "hacking" or patching the code will make that OK.

If the roadmap tends toward centralization, then I simply cannot support it. Thats approach to Bitcoin.

Yes, sure, as If I have nothing better to do with my time than to spread propaganda or whatever you think I am doing.

No. I am just too long in bitcoin, and don't want it to fail. And I know exactly how flawed can solutions be, if they come as an argument from authority.

If you had read my previous post, you would have seen that my criticism is merited. People do make mistakes, or do have malicious intent.

And the people having malicious intent might pose as saviors. I can guarantee you I have no malicious intent toward bitcoin, as I said I am an old bitcoiner.

But if people fuck up bitcoin with shitty uppgrades, then we will all lose, and who will you blame then?

If bitcoin is to survive, then users need to be open minded, and not call everyone a shill or a troll.

Otherwise this is just an echo chamber or ignorant people. I find it insulting to call me a shill, when all I do is question arguments from authority.

So you say in the end it's only matter of price for what 'side' you might post.

May I ask you what BS did pay you ?

Just to find out what Ver needs to bring up...

 

This only goes to show how determined the forces aligned against Bitcoin are: RealBitcoin is a pretty old account, and yet the account only turned into an anti-Bitcoin propaganda merchant in the last few months.


If you read about intelligence/espionage practices, this is a common strategy; it is effective because foolish people believe it when the agent refutes the allegation thusly: "Deep cover, for X NUMBER OF YEARS? You're paranoid/that's ridiculous". To increase effectiveness, increase the value of X.

Segwit is DEAD!

Segwit needs 95% to activate.

Current Numbers
https://coin.dance/blocks

Explicit Mining Pool Support by Proposal
SegWit                        24.6%
Bitcoin Unlimited          18.3%
8 MB Blocks                   7.5%

If the current Voters for Bitcoin Unlimited and 8 MB Blocks do not change their votes, (either alone is enough to block segwit)
Segwit will NEVER ATTAIN the 95% needed.

8 MB Blocks                   7.5% =>   100%- 7.5% =  92.5%   SEGWIT FAIL
or
Bitcoin Unlimited          18.3% =>   100%-18.3% =  81.7%   SEGWIT FAIL

Combined                    25.8%  =>   100%-25.8% = 74.2%   SEGWIT FAIL


Segwit has failed, Game Over it will never reach 95%.

 

By several you mean one? This has no relevance to my post, and you're just trying to fruitlessly defend your losing argument. An on-chain soft fork != 2nd layer solution.

Bullshit. Nobody has to create anything, especially not publicly.

Why are you talking about a random proposal that just appeared recently, when I was not even defending/arguing said proposal? You're becoming a bigger waste of time than franky. It is clearly obvious that these kinds of discussions are way above your knowledge and current comprehension.

Exactly, either users need to admit when wrong (I've done it often, no big deal) or they need to go away,

You're still talking about a system called Lightning that is nothing like the actual proposed Lightning Network from Poon & co. When will you release this alternative Lightning of yours? When you release your altcoin too, huh?




The real Lightning network is still possible today, and you said you'd leave in an instant if you thought it was even a possibility.

So why are you still here trolling? Leave Bitcoin, as per your threat, or stop being a vacuous drama queen (yet more justification not to take your words seriously)

Several suggestions have included removing the entire transaction data from a block and only keep it's hash.

And then store the TX data on some other blockchain or servers.

This idea gets thrown around every now and then, that you can see one idea on reddit today:
https://twitter.com/SDLerner/status/830911111209824256
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5tphbt/sergio_demian_lerner_thinking_lumino_as_a_bitcoin/

They claim that by removing TX data they can have 100 TPS.

So all this cunning plotting and scheming that goes behind the backdoors is what worries me. The block is not a lab rat to try out all sorts of crazy ideas on. If we want a stable system with pre defined constants (21 m coin limit, SHA256 based mining algo, etc), then we also need to agree on one thing.

Which is that the transaction code should not be stripped away.

You do realize that by putting the blockchain data on a 2nd layer, you are essentially creating a centralized database.

What would then be the difference between BTC, and Visa with a handful of servers around the world?

The point of the blockchain is to store all data for reference, and that data should not be treated as trash, because that is the whole point of the blockchain.





While the IOU's at the exchanges are worrying me, it's mostly a problem for the idiots who will get their coins stolen at the next exchange hack.

But when the entire Bitcoin protocol will work on IOU's, and the blockchain will just be a checkpoint.

Well that is no different than the banking system with 4 day settling period, and inbetween trading REPOS and other fake IOU's inbetween them on overnight basis.