Topic: So, you think you are free and the government treats you right ... - page 2. (Read 3523 times)

I am not sure you know what a contract is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract

When you get bail, a man with a gun says "Pay up or I will chain you up."  A contract require "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract#Mutual_assent" and I'm sure you will agree with me that "mutual assent" is totally lacking from a bail arrangement.  Its also lacking from payment of fines where the man with the gun also says "Pay up or I will chain you up."

Maybe if you stop trying to reinterpret these things as contracts and accept them as acts of governance, it will make the legal process easier to understand.

Yea Icke is out there with the lizard stuff, but alot of his other stuff hits close to home, even though Jordan Maxwell gave most of it to him.

The name game is lame. I think thats intentional disinformation to put the kibash on the sovereign movement.

The guy posted bail ?

would appear to be a contract as would be the paying of the fines ?

wonder if he had a license and registration (contracts).

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=179368

Good old David Icke.  If we didn't have such a fine creator of conspiracy theories, we would have to invent him.

the link is a 503 error for me - i will read it later.

  Now your reply makes more sense. 

yea i posted in the wrong place and deleted my post. I thought this was the thread where they cops were intimidating the sovereign in another thread

http://www.enniscorthyguardian.ie/news/bobby-of-the-family-sludds-may-be-jailed-2875189.html

He was charged with driving without insurance.  He was convicted of it and paid a fine to avoid jail. 

You really should read the article. 

It seems you don't know much about common law.  Its the king's law - often laid down in courts called the King's Bench.  If you accept common law, you accept the sovereignty of the state.  If you don't, its enforced anyway as this poor sap found out.

http://www.enniscorthyguardian.ie/news/bobby-of-the-family-sludds-may-be-jailed-2875189.html

I disagree. I think laws and rules are the exact same thing. We call them statutes, and to be enforceable, there need to be a contract between you and government of some kind. An application, a SS#, a registration, a license, etc, which can all be rescinded, severed, or otherwise removed via remedy, because they are all voluntary. If you doubt that they are voluntary, check the legislation. They cant say you signed this so now we can enslave you for life.



thats where free flesh and blood sovereigns who go about it right seek and get their remedy.

if its not done correctly, you get in more trouble ... but then even with that there is ALWAYS a remedy. They can not deny you remedy from what I understand.



the police are the enforcers ... the overseers ... i expect nothing less ... the remedy is in court.

there are many successes. I dont like the freeman label .. i like to think of is as standing up for your sovereignty

Bind,

There's laws and rules.
Then there's what the courts will actually agree to.

Those are two different things.  You need to get a high court to rule in favor of freeman philosophy so a legal precedent can be used.

Oh and see this thread.  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/freeman-on-the-land-escapes-policy-enforcers-49576  First video is very funny.

whatever or whoever you think created you.

we have the right to do anything we damn well please so long as we honor our agreements (in commerce) and do no harm (not infringing on anyone else or their property).

its under common law I think.

with that we are 100% responsible for ourselves and liable.

I do not think you will find one court case where a free sovereign flesh and blood man or woman has been denied the right to do the above when they have not contracted their rights away for benefits and privilages and have asserted their supreme authority over themselves to those who presumed authority over them. Remember the Maxims of Law. A claim or affidavit undisputed becomes judgment in commerse by default of law, thus so long as we have no contract with government and we dispute their authority and jurisdiction, we reign supreme over ourselves and our property ... so long as we infringe on no one else or their property, and honor our agreements.

at least I havent been able to find one, and I have been looking everyday.

again I am only in the research stage, but I plan on real world application to become completely free after adequate preparation.

"We all have creator-endowed (birth) rights that can not be taken away ... ever."

Really?  What creator and where does he get these rights from? 

We all have creator-endowed (birth) rights that can not be taken away ... ever.

Although your rights can not be taken away, we can, and do, give them away and/or relinquish them to the state by contract, where they quite happily give us benefits and privilages for fees, taxes, and control in return ... and discipline if we do not follow the rules under which we have contracted our rights away.

To understand this, ask yourself a simple question ...

By what authority (connective tissue) does the government govern you, fine you, arrest you, make you apply for things, make you register for stuff, and license you for activities ?

If you start quoting statutes, then ask yourself by what authority do they require you adhere to statutes ... what makes the statutes apply to you ?

Think long and hard on that one before answering and if you can answer please post a reputable source. To me its all about consent of the governed.

Government never has and never will state that you dont have those rights, because the recognize that you do have them. They just dont want you to know that you ahve them to keep the fraud going, money rolling in, and their slave control structure in place.

By their contracts we agree to, our ignorance, and misconception that we are under obligation to them and their statutes (rules).

Where is it written that we must listen to government when we are only governed by the consent of the governed ?

It does not say consent of SOME of the governed.

It does not state consent of representatives of the governed.

It states by consent of the governed.

... requiring YOUR consent.

FYI Canadian Law and American Law is almost identical, based on English Admiralty Law.

I am still researching this, but so far I have not seen where those videos have been inaccurate.

what the hell did I just watch?

http://www.examiner.com/skepticism-in-denver/the-freeman-on-the-land-myth-debunked
http://forum.theuklibertarian.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=70
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Militi_71/3074-71.asp
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/
http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20111022freeman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tScuHwVtRcY&feature=player_embedded

Wow!  You have a lot of spare time on your hands don't you!

I researched it and I read it's just a fraud thing con artists promote.  Anyone know???

I am on the 5th video.  This is some kind of legal trickery where Canada's legal system is based on trust law and if you refuse to identify by your name and use some title, then it breaks.

Do you have a transcript?