Topic: Socialist life - page 4. (Read 1006 times)

And it is precisely because of this that I say that socialism is good in theory but not in practice, if we could change one or several aspects of human nature then socialism could work, but the point is that we can't and most likely we are not going to be able to change that for the foreseeable future and as long as that is the case then we must create a system that follows human nature, and so far the best is capitalism, since it makes complete sense that if you work really hard and invest a lot of money in a certain project that you keep most of the fruits of that project and you do not have to share that with anyone that you do not want to.

Actually, socialism would be a perfect social structure if we were incapable of lying or if there was a fullprof lie detector available to everyone. Just imagine, in that case there could be no individuals abusing the system for their personal gain and the problem of socially vulnerable categories of the population would be eradicated.

This is not my idea but I read it in some science fiction book (I can't remember the name) back when I was in college and it stuck in my head ever since. 

Socialism sounds good in theory but when applied in practice it has failed miserably and it is easy to understand why, people are selfish by nature if I take the time to be very productive I can understand if part of that production is taken away to keep society in place as I benefit from it as well but when they ask you to give the majority of your income when you are working so hard then a question begins to pop out in the minds of people, why am I being punished for being good at what I do? Why many people receive more than what they give while I receive less? And that is when the socialist dream begins to crumble.

Cryptoboss2020 is probably a young kid, you do not have to listen or respond to everything he says, he has created some weird topics in the past so far and all of them are stuff to get attention. There are tons of topics with "bitcoin going over 12k would be possible if X happens" type of non-attention seeking regular topics, I feel like being in them is easier, you do not have to focus on these type of grand ridiculous and basically just useless topics.

Even the first post he wrote himself doesn't make sense and not just because of his bad English, he has horrible English, my English is bad, his is horrible, but even if he made any sense what he wrote doesn't make sense at all, "socialists means 50% doing the work for 50%" that is capitalism, but for 90%+ working to make money for 1% instead of 50% 50% which would be an improvement even if it was true.

COVID-19 is a factor in the occurrence of socialist life, due to an economic downturn. Make all parties help each other.
But that doesn't mean that socialist life is a good thing, because sometimes it makes poor people become dependent
and not independent. Therefore, socialist life can run well, if society has an independent character.

For the government to succeed in any country they need community,in socialism community is under the government, they work with government to make sure the economic of a country is well manage well and productive.

Socialist is not the government that forces us to do the same. Although we still depend on the government and they are the most powerful bodies, they cannot put in place dictatorships that force people to do so, it is not socialist like you think.
Here, that socialist is the government that will function normally but not force the people to follow a pattern of production. they only appear when the economy is in trouble or the society has problems, of course they will solve the problem their way. I feel socialism is quite amazing because people seem protected from disasters or economic hardship.

Yeah we are into that kind of transition already especially now that we are in pandemic most of the people are striving hard to earn by means of starting a small online business. Corporate business will do but as much as I am interested in socialism it will be more likely to happen.

However,  I do not think that government will not intervene in this. In fact here in our place the small business had to comply in registering their small business. And if it happens that business will going to profit more than the minimum profit set by the government manually then that excess profit will be tax by the government. This is how cruel our government is in our place taking taxes especially to small business but to large business they will just be offered money and then they are now exempted on getting tax and the government were not able to file a case against them because the managment had already receive money as a gift from those big companies evading to pay taxes.

This sounds like the american definition of socialism - socialism is when government does stuff. And by the way, corporations have received far bigger share of covid-19 relief funds than the citizens, so does this still count as socialism or not?


This heavily varies from country to country, but generally the poor are actually getting richer too, just not as fast as the rich. Being poor in the US sucks though, so no wonder that leftism s growing there.

He cannot.He must be one of those ignorant Trump'ers.

In his nomination address, Trump said something along the lines, "Joe Biden is weak and he cannot stand up to all these liberal, Socialists". He says the word like it is something to be despised, which i believe a lot of these uneducated US citizens think because of its association with USSR. This is just another one of those cheap, demagougery tricks after immigrants, scum countries, mexican wall that Trump plays. He pits people against each other on these emotive issues and gains foothold by engaging the fools.

That was my question, too. We have seen leftist-style government intervention in a lot of countries as a response to CV19 - perhaps this is what the OP had in mind? These will likely be temporary measures, as governments remain committed to free-market capitalism. I don't think we're headed for socialism yet.

Having said that, capitalism as currently practised is not sustainable without governments acting to keep it in check. Inequality is growing, the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer... which is one reason that leftist solutions are gaining in popularity.

Can you explain why you think that the world is going towards socialism? It's a big statement and it's rather not self-evident, there's not much countries in this world that are officially socialist, and even less that are actually socialist. And even the word "socialism" starts to mean different things, from marxism to welfare state.

I personally don't see how this can be true, maybe leftist ideas become more popular in the US, but in the rest of the world nothing much changed in the last years. Socialism has been on decline globally since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Socialism lost then and has proven to be a dysfunctional system, so I think that's a utopia. It will not work. It could if the whole world would accept it, but not if there is a comparison to others

The world remains as capitalists because capital makes workers more productive. A single worker with a backhoe is more productive than 20 workers with shovels. It is as simple as that.

Well, let's figure out what you wrote here.
1. SO much is how much? It's hard to believe in this (propaganda, I understand), but under socialism, tax oppression was hardly noticeable. In addition, with all this, medicine of any complexity became absolutely free, as did education (even higher education, yeah).
2. Nonsense. Socialism is a regime that does not accept parasites, because they interfere with the functioning of it.
3. Social lift. I suggest to google what this concept means. The gap cannot be large, because people are in power and there are people from the people.
4. As for the balance, it is definitely impossible to achieve it. I agree 100%

An experiment of the 20th century? Do you know exactly what you are talking about? Was the Neolithic an experiment too? Slave system, feudalism, capitalism? Do you think this is an experiment too? These are the stages through which mankind passed in a natural way, due to the fact that the economic basis came into conflict with the superstructure. They stopped working together.

Any power is a dictatorship (the ability to impose its own political line) of the ruling class.

Capitalism is the dictatorship of a modest number of people who own immodest capital.

Socialism is the dictatorship of the working class, for it is the absolute majority of the population.

And now I'll blow everyone's brain. Look: demos (Greek) - people, kratos (Greek) - power. Suddenly, we get that the real democracy is socialism.
After all, this will be a regime in which the people have real power (and not the opportunity to put a cross in the ballot and change one talking head to another as president)

I do not impose anything on anyone. Love what you like (especially if it's legal). But let's still respect history and get to know it a little before making loud statements.

of course if helping each other creates a harmonious atmosphere, the problem is that some people who are accustomed to being helped think that they can regret their problems by asking others for help, so are more like beggars.
so nothing will be truly beautiful in a long time despite its good intentions.

Socialism is just sweet words, but is basically just an imaginary, or can even be called a figment of imagination at this point, mainly due to how the characteristics of human beings are. Past history has proven this, and I doubt anyone would be willing to try it again at the expense of wasted resources as well as time, that in the end wouldn't really end up to anything good. Plus, a world where everything is equal, a balance of 50/50 is just a world where basically everyone scorns, steals, and lies to each other imo.

The world would probably sooner end than the Government to start helping people because they want to help, they want to solve the problem, compared to generating profit for their own pockets.

The history of human civilization, using the example of the twentieth century, has clearly demonstrated to us the fallacy of the principles of democratic centralism as the basis for building a socialist society. Socialism in almost all countries ended with a personality cult and dictatorship. In theory, everything was fine, the slogans were about humanism, human values, but in practice, it was in the socialist countries that the people were massively destroyed in the name of the same people. Now we see similar events in Belarus. In this country, where socialist relations are still almost intact, the dictator Lukashenka has again been in power for 26 years in a row, who agrees to kill his people in the streets and call on foreign troops, if only to stay in power at any cost.
Therefore, it is better for us to build an ordinary humane society out of a system of checks and balances of power without any political superstructures.

Most of the world remains as capitalists due to the fact that the governments are proposing bailout programs and cash aid to those large corporations while leaving the small to medium enterprises on their own. This isn't socialism since not all the members of society are receiving the same amount of benefits compared to those who are really funding money for the gears to work, even though both of them are doing something for the society. We will never reach such a state given how we are obsessed with having more money than we could ever need in our lifetimes, and our governments are also making those dreams happen to a few chosen elites while leaving the rest of the herd trying to make ends meet.

I don't see it either and when we take into account that in the majority of the countries in which we see the governments controlling the means of production we see that they are incredibly inefficient in doing so, the latest example of this is Venezuela and just look at their economy, while there are some key sectors that should remain in control of the government the truth is that it is better to let the free market to decide which company thrives and which doesn't since only the one that is the most efficient should survive.