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Topic: Soft Language: Tautological Replacements - page 2. (Read 375 times)

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Spear the bees
January 06, 2019, 09:50:53 AM
#10
Funny you mention Newspeak, as this is exactly what is going on. George Orwell wrote an essay on this topic exactly called "Politics and The English Language" where he details the purposeful degradation of speech and thought in order to exert political control. It is not long at all, free all over the web, and a very enlightening read.
I have actually read that essay before. It is indeed insightful.
When it boils down to it, language is just a set of axioms and rules derived thereof. Control the rules and you control the dialogue.
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First Exclusion Ever
January 06, 2019, 09:49:10 AM
#9
Sure you can ridicule factually the grammar, but that's missing the point.

The point is that certain people seek to gain power over others by creating positions where they can dictate proper speech.

It's all about the power.
Well, that's the more serious way of looking at it.

Pushing a narrative, innit? By controlling one's language, their way of communicating, you in turn control the way that they're able to think. If they cannot express an anti-X idea then nothing will come to fruition when one tries to oppose it. Something similar to Newspeak from our classic dystopian book Smiley

Funny you mention Newspeak, as this is exactly what is going on. George Orwell wrote an essay on this topic exactly called "Politics and The English Language" where he details the purposeful degradation of speech and thought in order to exert political control. It is not long at all, free all over the web, and a very enlightening read.
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January 05, 2019, 05:19:53 PM
#8
Sure you can ridicule factually the grammar, but that's missing the point.

The point is that certain people seek to gain power over others by creating positions where they can dictate proper speech.

It's all about the power.
Well, that's the more serious way of looking at it.

Pushing a narrative, innit? By controlling one's language, their way of communicating, you in turn control the way that they're able to think. If they cannot express an anti-X idea then nothing will come to fruition when one tries to oppose it. Something similar to Newspeak from our classic dystopian book Smiley

There is no other way to look at it. Note WHO is trying to dictate what you say, then you will know WHY.

Very true, once we see who is pushing the narrative, it becomes quite obvious.
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January 05, 2019, 05:12:17 PM
#7
Sure you can ridicule factually the grammar, but that's missing the point.

The point is that certain people seek to gain power over others by creating positions where they can dictate proper speech.

It's all about the power.
Well, that's the more serious way of looking at it.

Pushing a narrative, innit? By controlling one's language, their way of communicating, you in turn control the way that they're able to think. If they cannot express an anti-X idea then nothing will come to fruition when one tries to oppose it. Something similar to Newspeak from our classic dystopian book Smiley

There is no other way to look at it. Note WHO is trying to dictate what you say, then you will know WHY.
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January 05, 2019, 03:56:16 PM
#6
I believe language plays a significant role in human psychology. Some words are "scarier" than others, I am sure there is a psychological benefit to using euphemism, these propaganda guys are clever, they don't do things for no reason. George Carlin was simply calling them out, he saw through the psychological manipulation.
It's enforcing an equivalence, subconsciously or not, through synonymous words.

For example if we create new terms for homosexual:
rainbow dancer
pit digger

The former is associated with lighter or happier terms whereas the latter bends slightly towards negativity.

I believe what happens, though, is there is a cultural push toward a certain connotation (given the most common tone/inflections) for given words. The "less abrasive" language nowadays seems that way because they were not yet given the overarching negative connotation but were pressed to initially seem positive.

That's why it's really never colloquial language that's used: to obfuscate any cynicism and to reset the tone to 0 so that it can be morphed into that of a softer connotation.

Exactly, and the examples in describing homosexuality are highly illustrative of how words can significantly impact connotation.
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Spear the bees
January 05, 2019, 03:40:38 PM
#5
I believe language plays a significant role in human psychology. Some words are "scarier" than others, I am sure there is a psychological benefit to using euphemism, these propaganda guys are clever, they don't do things for no reason. George Carlin was simply calling them out, he saw through the psychological manipulation.
It's enforcing an equivalence, subconsciously or not, through synonymous words.

For example if we create new terms for homosexual:
rainbow dancer
pit digger

The former is associated with lighter or happier terms whereas the latter bends slightly towards negativity.

I believe what happens, though, is there is a cultural push toward a certain connotation (given the most common tone/inflections) for given words. The "less abrasive" language nowadays seems that way because they were not yet given the overarching negative connotation but were pressed to initially seem positive.

That's why it's really never colloquial language that's used: to obfuscate any cynicism and to reset the tone to 0 so that it can be morphed into that of a softer connotation.
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January 05, 2019, 03:33:59 PM
#4
The idea of PC/soft language is ridiculous. Carlin did a piece on it that you can watch.

All that you're doing by calling retards mentally handicapped is creating a tautology: it doesn't change the definition. If the intention is malicious, there is no intrinsic difference. It's the same thing as calling someone an unmarried man as opposed to a bachelor.

The use of this kind of language is obfuscation. It's akin to tautologies when dealing with news about war. Silly. Propaganda.

Why confuse people to "avoid negativity" when you're still discussing the same thing?

I believe language plays a significant role in human psychology. Some words are "scarier" than others, I am sure there is a psychological benefit to using euphemism, these propaganda guys are clever, they don't do things for no reason. George Carlin was simply calling them out, he saw through the psychological manipulation.
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Spear the bees
January 05, 2019, 03:31:55 PM
#3
Sure you can ridicule factually the grammar, but that's missing the point.

The point is that certain people seek to gain power over others by creating positions where they can dictate proper speech.

It's all about the power.
Well, that's the more serious way of looking at it.

Pushing a narrative, innit? By controlling one's language, their way of communicating, you in turn control the way that they're able to think. If they cannot express an anti-X idea then nothing will come to fruition when one tries to oppose it. Something similar to Newspeak from our classic dystopian book Smiley
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January 05, 2019, 03:27:00 PM
#2
The idea of PC/soft language is ridiculous. Carlin did a piece on it that you can watch.

All that you're doing by calling retards mentally handicapped is creating a tautology: it doesn't change the definition. If the intention is malicious, there is no intrinsic difference. It's the same thing as calling someone an unmarried man as opposed to a bachelor.

The use of this kind of language is obfuscation. It's akin to tautologies when dealing with news about war. Silly. Propaganda.

Why confuse people to "avoid negativity" when you're still discussing the same thing?

Sure you can ridicule factually the grammar, but that's missing the point.

The point is that certain people seek to gain power over others by creating positions where they can dictate proper speech.

It's all about the power.
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Activity: 2562
Merit: 2510
Spear the bees
January 05, 2019, 12:23:10 PM
#1
The idea of PC/soft language is ridiculous. Carlin did a piece on it that you can watch.

All that you're doing by calling retards mentally handicapped is creating a tautology: it doesn't change the definition. If the intention is malicious, there is no intrinsic difference. It's the same thing as calling someone an unmarried man as opposed to a bachelor.

The use of this kind of language is obfuscation. It's akin to tautologies when dealing with news about war. Silly. Propaganda.

Why confuse people to "avoid negativity" when you're still discussing the same thing?
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